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#95 Mar 12, 2013
Why are you always calling every one anti Ramsey? How about entertaining the thought that people are anti murder?
mee wrote:
<quoted text>if it was an intruder then yes i would say premeditated..like i said i think the intruder may of had a key..but i relise i may be offending people with my theories..i didnt know everyone was so anti ramsey..
mee

Epsom, UK

#96 Mar 12, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Why are you always calling every one anti Ramsey? How about entertaining the thought that people are anti murder?
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because nearly everybody is so adament that the ramseys are guilty..just imagine your wrong...and dont say such silly remarks ,of course everyone is anti murder.unless your a psychopath.

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#97 Mar 12, 2013
Sure, tell that to the murderers!
People who are adament the Ramseys are guilty have no doubt come to that conclusion from reading the evidence. The best the rest of the people can do is propose one silly scenario after another with no way to tie it to the actual evidence. Their arguments are "maybe this" or "I think this could have happened", and those aren't facts.
mee wrote:
<quoted text>because nearly everybody is so adament that the ramseys are guilty..just imagine your wrong...and dont say such silly remarks ,of course everyone is anti murder.unless your a psychopath.
mee

Epsom, UK

#98 Mar 12, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Sure, tell that to the murderers!
People who are adament the Ramseys are guilty have no doubt come to that conclusion from reading the evidence. The best the rest of the people can do is propose one silly scenario after another with no way to tie it to the actual evidence. Their arguments are "maybe this" or "I think this could have happened", and those aren't facts.
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but the actual evidence is clearly not enough..otherwise a murderer would not still be free..how can anybody say for sure..your arguments are 'maybe this' or' maybe that'.

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#99 Mar 12, 2013
My arguments are "maybe this or that"? No they aren't.
mee wrote:
<quoted text>but the actual evidence is clearly not enough..otherwise a murderer would not still be free..how can anybody say for sure..your arguments are 'maybe this' or' maybe that'.
mee

Epsom, UK

#100 Mar 12, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
My arguments are "maybe this or that"? No they aren't.<quoted text>
so according to you....in your opinion ....who would you say is responsible for this murder ????and whats the strongest evidence to back you up???

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#101 Mar 12, 2013
Yea but people in those situations don't want to be "Sneaky." They want to get the f out of dodge before they get caught. If there was an intruder, which there wasn't the motives were few and simple. Either this would have been a pedophile or a revenge killing. A pedophile would have removed her from the home, left all the note nonsense out of the picture and had his way with her before killing her and dumping her body in the vast Colorado wilderness. A revenge killing would have been just that, a killing. No sexual abuse, no games, no pineapple, and again no ransom note. There has never been a kidnapper who is a hitman as well as a pedophile in the history of the world. Pedophiles only have one objective and they never deviate from it. That objective is getting off to sexual activity with a child and then not get caught so they can do it again. Nothing in this case suggests that. She was never penetrated with a penis nor was there any semen present. There was no evidence of condom use i.e. lubricant which would have been all over her because the perp would have had to touch her, gloves or not, after any sexual activity. A revenge killer would have strangled her right in her bed, not move her to the basement to molest her first. Pedo's only kill children to not get caught, if they can keep them alive for a while they will. If someone took her from her room to the basement they could have easily left the house with her to abuse her furthermore. The question is why didn't they? Were they so overcome with excitement that they had to do it right there in the house and then dispose of her immediately? No. In fact that has never happened ever and all pedophiles think alike. So how would one explain that?

I for years thought this case is very perplexing but it really isn't. A 8000 sq ft house and this guy figured out the one window that was open in a house of 50+ windows. All the while no neighbors see him checking out any other ones. Lights on in a kitchen at midnight when an intruder would need to be discreet. The very kitchen containing the pineapple that the victim ate shortly before her death. Every piece of physical evidence was from the house, every single one. No dirty footprints in the house, even though it was december and the ground was wet. No remainder of the cord used, what's the harm in leaving that? A flashlight belonging to the family wiped inside and out, which was staged by the way to take any emphasis off the golf club that cracked her skull. Underwear that was several sizes too big that needed to not have any physical evidence on them from prior use. The very underwear that only her mother would have known were brand new. The broken toilet in the basement that could have been broken that very morning by flushing the original underwear. The millionare mother with a closet full of clothes yet wearing the same ones as well as full makeup at 530 am. And the freshly showered "Cordial" father who wandered the house in the early morning without a weapon even though there may be an "Intruder" in the basement. And an alarm clock that was never even set. Shall I go on?
Steve Eller

United States

#102 Mar 12, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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Oh? What did I miss in Kolar’s book? I think you’re making things up, now. If you wish to challenge me on this please do so on one of the Kolar threads!
Pretty much everyone who believes that one of the Ramseys wrote the note believes that there are things in it that implicate them. Many believe that the note contains “inside information.” So, if you think that a killer would have put things in the note that would implicate the parents, then one could always argue that he did.
The ransom note did not allow anyone – intruder or Ramsey – time for anything. If the Ramseys were hoping to buy time, then they would not have called 911 so early. An intruder would have been long gone before the note was ever discovered.
Your assertion that the Ramsey’s fingerprints should have been all over the note suggests a misunderstanding on your part of this type of trace evidence.

AK
You are posting on this thread so that is where I am replying. On other threads you have acknowledged missing parts of the Kolar passages where he describes consulting experts in the investigation after the autopsy. By theor own admission the Ramseys contorted themselves when reading the note, John Ramsey in his underwear as the note is spread out on the floor. There are things in the note that aim to cast suspicion on others. The amount of John Ramsey's bonus was esoteric knowledge known to few people, if the perpetrator was among the informed he or she (or they if you follow the foreign DNA) would already be drawing attention to themselves unnecessarily. They had to call the Police, they were supposed to fly out that morning (too bad they hadn't watched Home Alone the night before they might have claimed that they forgot JonBenet) it was Holiday season they were not sure who could show up at their door. And one more time, "A small foregn faction" is not the pointing at the Ramseys.
Steve Eller

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#103 Mar 12, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Sure, tell that to the murderers!
People who are adament the Ramseys are guilty have no doubt come to that conclusion from reading the evidence. The best the rest of the people can do is propose one silly scenario after another with no way to tie it to the actual evidence. Their arguments are "maybe this" or "I think this could have happened", and those aren't facts.
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Absolutely!
mee

Epsom, UK

#104 Mar 12, 2013
JimmyWells wrote:
Yea but people in those situations don't want to be "Sneaky." They want to get the f out of dodge before they get caught. If there was an intruder, which there wasn't the motives were few and simple. Either this would have been a pedophile or a revenge killing. A pedophile would have removed her from the home, left all the note nonsense out of the picture and had his way with her before killing her and dumping her body in the vast Colorado wilderness. A revenge killing would have been just that, a killing. No sexual abuse, no games, no pineapple, and again no ransom note. There has never been a kidnapper who is a hitman as well as a pedophile in the history of the world. Pedophiles only have one objective and they never deviate from it. That objective is getting off to sexual activity with a child and then not get caught so they can do it again. Nothing in this case suggests that. She was never penetrated with a penis nor was there any semen present. There was no evidence of condom use i.e. lubricant which would have been all over her because the perp would have had to touch her, gloves or not, after any sexual activity. A revenge killer would have strangled her right in her bed, not move her to the basement to molest her first. Pedo's only kill children to not get caught, if they can keep them alive for a while they will. If someone took her from her room to the basement they could have easily left the house with her to abuse her furthermore. The question is why didn't they? Were they so overcome with excitement that they had to do it right there in the house and then dispose of her immediately? No. In fact that has never happened ever and all pedophiles think alike. So how would one explain that?
I for years thought this case is very perplexing but it really isn't. A 8000 sq ft house and this guy figured out the one window that was open in a house of 50+ windows. All the while no neighbors see him checking out any other ones. Lights on in a kitchen at midnight when an intruder would need to be discreet. The very kitchen containing the pineapple that the victim ate shortly before her death. Every piece of physical evidence was from the house, every single one. No dirty footprints in the house, even though it was december and the ground was wet. No remainder of the cord used, what's the harm in leaving that? A flashlight belonging to the family wiped inside and out, which was staged by the way to take any emphasis off the golf club that cracked her skull. Underwear that was several sizes too big that needed to not have any physical evidence on them from prior use. The very underwear that only her mother would have known were brand new. The broken toilet in the basement that could have been broken that very morning by flushing the original underwear. The millionare mother with a closet full of clothes yet wearing the same ones as well as full makeup at 530 am. And the freshly showered "Cordial" father who wandered the house in the early morning without a weapon even though there may be an "Intruder" in the basement. And an alarm clock that was never even set. Shall I go on?
totally agree with the pedophile part..your right a pedo wouldnt of written such a strange ransom note and would of just taken jonbenet away..and a revenge killing would of been done outright..but it doesnt mean that maybe it was a kidnapping gone wrong..like i said earlier at first i thought patsy had done this but maybe not..if it had been john ramsey wouldnt there be prior abuse to his older children..i dont think jonbenet was killed from a wetting the bed accident though so what would patsys motive be??? i like your point about no muddy footprints as well..considering it had been snowing..my kitchen floor needs washing twice a day if its snowy!!!
mee

Epsom, UK

#105 Mar 12, 2013
JimmyWells wrote:
Yea but people in those situations don't want to be "Sneaky." They want to get the f out of dodge before they get caught. If there was an intruder, which there wasn't the motives were few and simple. Either this would have been a pedophile or a revenge killing. A pedophile would have removed her from the home, left all the note nonsense out of the picture and had his way with her before killing her and dumping her body in the vast Colorado wilderness. A revenge killing would have been just that, a killing. No sexual abuse, no games, no pineapple, and again no ransom note. There has never been a kidnapper who is a hitman as well as a pedophile in the history of the world. Pedophiles only have one objective and they never deviate from it. That objective is getting off to sexual activity with a child and then not get caught so they can do it again. Nothing in this case suggests that. She was never penetrated with a penis nor was there any semen present. There was no evidence of condom use i.e. lubricant which would have been all over her because the perp would have had to touch her, gloves or not, after any sexual activity. A revenge killer would have strangled her right in her bed, not move her to the basement to molest her first. Pedo's only kill children to not get caught, if they can keep them alive for a while they will. If someone took her from her room to the basement they could have easily left the house with her to abuse her furthermore. The question is why didn't they? Were they so overcome with excitement that they had to do it right there in the house and then dispose of her immediately? No. In fact that has never happened ever and all pedophiles think alike. So how would one explain that?
I for years thought this case is very perplexing but it really isn't. A 8000 sq ft house and this guy figured out the one window that was open in a house of 50+ windows. All the while no neighbors see him checking out any other ones. Lights on in a kitchen at midnight when an intruder would need to be discreet. The very kitchen containing the pineapple that the victim ate shortly before her death. Every piece of physical evidence was from the house, every single one. No dirty footprints in the house, even though it was december and the ground was wet. No remainder of the cord used, what's the harm in leaving that? A flashlight belonging to the family wiped inside and out, which was staged by the way to take any emphasis off the golf club that cracked her skull. Underwear that was several sizes too big that needed to not have any physical evidence on them from prior use. The very underwear that only her mother would have known were brand new. The broken toilet in the basement that could have been broken that very morning by flushing the original underwear. The millionare mother with a closet full of clothes yet wearing the same ones as well as full makeup at 530 am. And the freshly showered "Cordial" father who wandered the house in the early morning without a weapon even though there may be an "Intruder" in the basement. And an alarm clock that was never even set. Shall I go on?
one more thing about the windows..if the intruder had a key then they wouldnt of had to find an open window..but the fact there was an open window is scary..i wouldnt be able to go to sleep at night if i knew id left a downstairs window open...
mee

Epsom, UK

#106 Mar 12, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Sure, tell that to the murderers!
People who are adament the Ramseys are guilty have no doubt come to that conclusion from reading the evidence. The best the rest of the people can do is propose one silly scenario after another with no way to tie it to the actual evidence. Their arguments are "maybe this" or "I think this could have happened", and those aren't facts.
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i never said they were facts.....i said they were theories...which is all anybody has...

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#107 Mar 12, 2013
There would have been many more logical opprotunities to kidnap her other than xmas night in her own house. And to answer your question Patsy's motive would have been rage. That isn't the case though. Her brother mortally wounded her that night. That is when Patsy and John woke up.
mee wrote:
<quoted text>totally agree with the pedophile part..your right a pedo wouldnt of written such a strange ransom note and would of just taken jonbenet away..and a revenge killing would of been done outright..but it doesnt mean that maybe it was a kidnapping gone wrong..like i said earlier at first i thought patsy had done this but maybe not..if it had been john ramsey wouldnt there be prior abuse to his older children..i dont think jonbenet was killed from a wetting the bed accident though so what would patsys motive be??? i like your point about no muddy footprints as well..considering it had been snowing..my kitchen floor needs washing twice a day if its snowy!!!

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#108 Mar 12, 2013
But if they had a key half of the IDI argument is gone. They really love that window theory.
mee wrote:
<quoted text>one more thing about the windows..if the intruder had a key then they wouldnt of had to find an open window..but the fact there was an open window is scary..i wouldnt be able to go to sleep at night if i knew id left a downstairs window open...
mee

Epsom, UK

#109 Mar 12, 2013
JimmyWells wrote:
There would have been many more logical opprotunities to kidnap her other than xmas night in her own house. And to answer your question Patsy's motive would have been rage. That isn't the case though. Her brother mortally wounded her that night. That is when Patsy and John woke up. <quoted text>
considering i believe the intruder had a key ..they would therefore be fairly close to the ramseys..and would of known the family would be out visiting..perfect time to let themselves in..also the dog wouldnt be there..what are your reasons for thinking burke did this??
mee

Epsom, UK

#110 Mar 12, 2013
JimmyWells wrote:
But if they had a key half of the IDI argument is gone. They really love that window theory. <quoted text>
to be honest im not sure what to think about the window...i just think a key makes more sense...especially if the 'intruder'was someone close to the ramseys...why creep through a window if you have a key...

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#111 Mar 12, 2013
Not likely on Christmas night. There were four people who were alive and arrived in the home that night from the Whites, and their last name was all Ramsey! That is a fact in evidence. There is no proof of an intruder with or without a key, only speculation.
mee wrote:
<quoted text>considering i believe the intruder had a key ..they would therefore be fairly close to the ramseys..and would of known the family would be out visiting..perfect time to let themselves in..also the dog wouldnt be there..what are your reasons for thinking burke did this??
mee

Epsom, UK

#112 Mar 12, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Not likely on Christmas night. There were four people who were alive and arrived in the home that night from the Whites, and their last name was all Ramsey! That is a fact in evidence. There is no proof of an intruder with or without a key, only speculation.
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wow..thats a fact i could never of figured out on my own.....there is no proof either way....only speculation...

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#113 Mar 12, 2013
Apparently - which was why I mentioned it :)
mee wrote:
<quoted text>wow..thats a fact i could never of figured out on my own.....there is no proof either way....only speculation...

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#116 Mar 12, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Apparently - which was why I mentioned it :)
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Don't feed the troll, Doc. Now, where's that AK to answer my sincere and legitimate question; what would have happened w/o the note? I would really like to hear what anyone thinks would have been without it.

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