Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#404 Mar 19, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
When the odds reach in the IDI's favor (majority thinking as you do) you can still rudely call it nonsense, but not before. The majority isn't comprised of IDI. Just a handful of people who spin and twist whatever the subject is to squeexe into their own agenda.
Do you believe the Ramseys thought they would be taken away from the house and questioned by the police, or that the police would set up camp there in their home?
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I have no idea what the majority is composed of and this isn’t the sort of thing that gets decided like that.

Assuming RDI, yes, I think that the Ramseys should have believed that they would be taken away from the house and questioned by the police AFTER the body was discovered. Yes, I think they should have realized regardless of involvement that the police would set up camp in their home.


AK
The Truth Hurts

Redford, MI

#405 Mar 19, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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No one has to explain AGAIN why the body was not removed. I agreed awhile back to simply accept this as fact. They wouldn’t or couldn’t remove the body. Agreed.
The fact (fact because we all agree) that they would or could not remove the body makes the ransom note nonsensical and NO ONE HAS EXPLAINED THAT, YET!
What do you believe; Ramsey’s original claim that all the doors were locked or his retraction?

AK
I think he/they meant to throw out certain people as suspects from the start; therefore it is not important which claim was correct.
I don't think they knew or cared if doors were locked or unlocked since they already knew there was no intruder. Moot point.

JR claiming that it was an "inside job" was not something he thought up when JB was found in the wine cellar. He intended for it to look like an "inside job" from the start. IMO

When he realized that they were suspects, THEN he started throwing crap out there, such as the window being open in the train room and recanting that all of the doors were locked.
The Truth Hurts

Redford, MI

#406 Mar 19, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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They could have simply said that the doors were not locked. It doesn’t prove anything, but it gives an intruder a way in and out without breaking in. Pretty simple, eh?
Here’s another idea, not as simple as the last, but still pretty simple. They open the garage door a couple feet, just enough that someone could have slid beneath it and into the garage. They did say that the door from the house to the garage was usually left unlocked. they wouldn’t even have to point this out to the police, they could simple leave it for them to discover on their own.
Bottom line, if you want people to believe that someone came into your house then you have to provide a means for their entry.

AK
Really? What do you think that lie about the open window was all about? lol
The Truth Hurts

Redford, MI

#407 Mar 19, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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Sorry, but there’s no evidence to show that a Ramsey or anyone tried to stage any break-in anywhere.

AK
Hole in basement window, lies about the window being open and a suitcase under the window that "wasn't supposed to be there" ring a bell?
PASSION

Marrakech, Morocco

#408 Mar 19, 2013
very true indeed john ramsey kept saying things that didnt report as time goes on and as the safer he felt. to further hide what happens from LE he knew exactly what to say and when to shut up , and sending burke to the white that morning and claiming that he slept through it all was later corrected because of the pineapple found in jonbenet digestive sytstem and, that he didnt know that burke was indeed awake , that's only because of the 911 call of course and also its like hitting 2 birds with one stone , firstly to show that burke didnt tell him until later , and to show the world that he is cooperating with the police that soon as he found out he reported it IMO JOHN RAMSEY IS THE PERP.

Since: May 11

AOL

#409 Mar 19, 2013
PASSION wrote:
very true indeed john ramsey kept saying things that didnt report as time goes on and as the safer he felt. to further hide what happens from LE he knew exactly what to say and when to shut up , and sending burke to the white that morning and claiming that he slept through it all was later corrected because of the pineapple found in jonbenet digestive sytstem and, that he didnt know that burke was indeed awake , that's only because of the 911 call of course and also its like hitting 2 birds with one stone , firstly to show that burke didnt tell him until later , and to show the world that he is cooperating with the police that soon as he found out he reported it IMO JOHN RAMSEY IS THE PERP.
ahh, here's the rub..John said Burke had "tears in his eyes". If Burke told him he was awake during 911, he wouldn't know if Burke was crying or what he looked like.
I completely agree with your post, especially the last sentence.
PASSION

Marrakech, Morocco

#410 Mar 19, 2013
Thanks RealTopaz i will try to see where i can find that information and i will add it here .
PASSION

Marrakech, Morocco

#411 Mar 19, 2013
here is what i could find .
Burke awake, Burke asleep:
http://www.tommillerlaw.com/Chapter-1-JonBene...

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#413 Mar 20, 2013
realTopaz wrote:
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I love your tagline..perfect! I'm tired of this tedious person who couldn't care less what the truth is, or what anyone else thinks it might be. If it incriminates a Ramsey, then it's "nonsense"..so let this IDIot think whatever and let's move on already! Really tired of giving jerks this much attention.
ROFLOL! Does an ID 10 T form need to be filled out?
PASSION

Safi, Morocco

#415 Mar 20, 2013
i agree but it all add up and when you withheld information from LE you have got something to hide and its far from innocent, i think the head blow was from john ramsey and the garrote was made by john ramsey while his wife doing the clean up and the

taping , and i so much think that they both couldn't believe their luck when first patrol man arrived and couldnt find her and from there they started to believe they could get away with it .nothing about them was innocent that day but i am sure deep down that incident is connected to the 23rd and killing her was to stop her from exposing him , and patsy is the kind of women who will go alone with her husband to save the family and her image .
jonbonet aka boyer

La Grande, OR

#417 Mar 20, 2013
i have been missing since 1991 im john bonet boyer

Since: Feb 12

Pearl City, HI

#418 Mar 20, 2013
Hi AK,
The RN is a key piece of evidence.
Without it, the Ramsey parents would very likely have been arrested for child abuse and possibly murder or manslaughter. With it, although it points to the Ramsey parents, it postponed the arrest indefinitely, because Boulder CO had a DA that lacked the intestinal fortitude to arrest the parents after they were indicted by the Grand Jury.

As I see it, the RN is a key piece of evidence that directly points to the Ramsey parents, but the absence of it would have been even more conclusive.
CC
Anti-K wrote:
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You could claim that it worked if the Ramseys were guilty and if the note was the reason that they were never charged. I don’t think either case is true, I think that if the Ramseys had been charged or if a trial had ever occurred than the note would be an integral piece of any prosecution.
I also suspect that the note played a central role in the grand jury’s decision to indict.
Since virtually all RI are convinced that one Ramsey or the other wrote the note, it becomes strange that they would argue that the note “worked” for them.
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AK

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#419 Mar 20, 2013
jonbonet aka boyer wrote:
i have been missing since 1991 im john bonet boyer
Amazing Grace and now you're found!
PASSION

Safi, Morocco

#420 Mar 20, 2013
i agree Bakatari well said ,
john Ramsey lifted his daughter from the wine cellar all the way up the stairs ,like a department store manquin very rigid and still can't tell whether she is still alive or not .

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#421 Mar 20, 2013
The Truth Hurts wrote:
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I think he/they meant to throw out certain people as suspects from the start; therefore it is not important which claim was correct.
I don't think they knew or cared if doors were locked or unlocked since they already knew there was no intruder. Moot point.
JR claiming that it was an "inside job" was not something he thought up when JB was found in the wine cellar. He intended for it to look like an "inside job" from the start. IMO
When he realized that they were suspects, THEN he started throwing crap out there, such as the window being open in the train room and recanting that all of the doors were locked.
What does intent to “throw out certain people as suspects from the start” have to do with saying that the doors were locked that morning? Sorry, I’m not following you on this one.


AK

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#422 Mar 20, 2013
The Truth Hurts wrote:
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Hole in basement window, lies about the window being open and a suitcase under the window that "wasn't supposed to be there" ring a bell?
The suitcase could not be part of a staged entry. Maybe, a staged exit. Didn’t White move that suitcase?

The broken window was not broken that night and we know this because there was no glass (save a single very small shard) and no report by BPD of visible signs of forced entry. Also, the webs in the window area seem to indicate that no one entered or exited there that night.

Yes, there was debris on the floor form the window well. This is how we know that the glass was not cleaned up that morning, not only was there not enough tiem between the 911 call an BPD’s arrival but it seems unlikely that one could sweep up the glass and yet leave the other debris behind.


AK

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#423 Mar 20, 2013
Bakatari wrote:
Hi AK,
The RN is a key piece of evidence.
Without it, the Ramsey parents would very likely have been arrested for child abuse and possibly murder or manslaughter. With it, although it points to the Ramsey parents, it postponed the arrest indefinitely, because Boulder CO had a DA that lacked the intestinal fortitude to arrest the parents after they were indicted by the Grand Jury.
As I see it, the RN is a key piece of evidence that directly points to the Ramsey parents, but the absence of it would have been even more conclusive.
CC
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Yes, Bakatari I understand what you’re saying and I’m not even going to comment on it – for now. I’m too tired, and in poor health, barely able to sit at the keyboard the last cpl days. No worries, I’ll be back soon!!
:)
..

AK.

Since: May 11

AOL

#424 Mar 20, 2013
the window was on a hinge and opened toward the ceiling..no reason to upset the window well and debris..place a tarp under the window and open the window.. punch it with a baseball bat. Voila! easy clean up and there's yer hole;)
PASSION

Safi, Morocco

#425 Mar 20, 2013
sorry to hear your unwell ANTI K wishing you a speedy recovery.
The Truth Hurts

Novi, MI

#426 Mar 20, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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The suitcase could not be part of a staged entry. Maybe, a staged exit. Didn’t White move that suitcase?
He moved it a little when he was looking for glass but he isn't the one who put it under the window.
I don't believe it was even in the vicinity of that room, or at least that's what the Ramseys said, if I remember correctly.

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