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Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#328 Mar 15, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Do you think all injuries look the same to a coroner, or do you think the lack of other injuries consistent with falling down a narrow spiral staircase might not have back up such a ludicrous story?
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Instead of asphyxiating her and sexually assaulting her they simply let her “fall” down the stairs for real.


AK

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#329 Mar 15, 2013
Bakatari wrote:
Are you kidding? You find a RN, and you believe totally that it is not a prank, and you don't search your own house to see if the child is truly missing???? I think you have more sense than that!
CC
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I find a ransom note and I believe totally that it is NOT a prank. Is that what you meant to say, because if I found a ransom note and I totally believe that it is NOT a prank, then I must believe that it is genuine, so, no, I don’t search the house to see if she is missing. I’d look around for other things, I think, but I wouldn’t be searching for her. I just found a genuine ransom note, she’s been kidnapped. Why would I look for her?


AK

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#330 Mar 15, 2013
The Truth Hurts wrote:
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You are operating under the assumption that the R's are innocent. Try thinking outside of that box. ;)
I am trying.


AK
kat

Riverhead, NY

#331 Mar 15, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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Oh, I’m not saying that they would get away with it! I am certainly not saying that they would have had nothing to worry about!
I am saying that they could not know what an autopsy would reveal. Risks abound, and reporting an accident would have been the simplest and most efficient way of, at minimum, buying some time and at maximum walking away unscathed. Let the money and the lawyers and the connections and running away finish the rest.
I have no idea how it would have played out, but I do know that the Ramsey’s under worse circumstances and accusation managed to make their way through an autopsy and all manner of in-depth investigation more or less unscathed (assuming RDI) so they might’ve made out like bandits!

AK
how on earth can you profess with certainty that the 'maximum' would be 'walking away unscathed'...what if the autopsy showed that it was no accident, and that they lied about how she got her injury...they'd have some explaining to do and would either have been implicated themselves--resulting in jail--or perhaps their son would have been remanded to a state program for troubled youth...that is more than unscathed. haven't we gone over this. do you really believe if they said it was an accident--and the medical examiner-coroner declares their story of how jb got her injuries was impossible--that NO consequence would have followed.

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#332 Mar 15, 2013
The Truth Hurts wrote:
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They saw the threats in the note, AK. That ship has sailed.
What's not to comprehend? Do you think they were morons?
Why would they out all those threats in the note if they were going to call 911 as soon as they did? It’s silly. Why would they even write the note if they weren’t going to dispose of the body, and if they wanted the police to believe that someone broke into their house why didn’t they stage a break-in, or at least tell them that the doors were unlocked?


AK

Since: May 11

AOL

#333 Mar 15, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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Instead of asphyxiating her and sexually assaulting her they simply let her “fall” down the stairs for real.

AK
she was PREVIOUSLY MOLESTED, they had to find a way to explain that so they remolested her with a jagged stick, causing injury on top of old. Nobody falls down stairs and comes out of it molested.
Steve Eller

Brooklyn, NY

#334 Mar 15, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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Why would they out all those threats in the note if they were going to call 911 as soon as they did? It’s silly. Why would they even write the note if they weren’t going to dispose of the body, and if they wanted the police to believe that someone broke into their house why didn’t they stage a break-in, or at least tell them that the doors were unlocked?

AK
Because to stage a break in would have required making all sorts of noises that people around the house might hear. You know the kind of noises made by the 'phantom intruders' that no one else heard.

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#335 Mar 15, 2013
realTopaz wrote:
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she was PREVIOUSLY MOLESTED, they had to find a way to explain that so they remolested her with a jagged stick, causing injury on top of old. Nobody falls down stairs and comes out of it molested.
Assuming RDI: they would only have to explain it if 1) it is real, 2) they were aware of it 3) they believed signs of it would be visible at autopsy 4) they believed there would be an autopsy 5) they did not believe it could be explained away, etc.

When it comes to prior molestation I am a to-date a fence-sitter. When it comes to parental knowledge of prior molestation (that may or may not have been) I am on the other side of the fence. That is, to my knowledge no legitimate accusations of such have ever been directed at the parents, and they were investigated in-depth.

This has always been a problem for RDI. Prior molestation may have occurred, but there is no way to connect it to the crime.

I understand that some theorize that the sexual assault was performed so as to cover up prior molestation. However, this assault was essentially covered up. So, if RDI they covered up the assault that they performed to cover up previous assaults? What? And, if the idea was to suggest a pervert broke in and assaulted their daughter than why a ransom note? Why no break-in? Why tell the police all the doors were locked?


AK

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#336 Mar 15, 2013
Steve Eller wrote:
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Because to stage a break in would have required making all sorts of noises that people around the house might hear. You know the kind of noises made by the 'phantom intruders' that no one else heard.
Would it? Really? Why would noise be a problem? Wouldn’t that help them if a neighbor could report hearing a strange noise? Oh, wait; that actually did happen.

Anyway, what would it take to unlock a cpl doors? And, why tell the police they were all locked after creating this elaborate –someone-came-into-our-house-w hile-we-were-sleeping scene?


AK

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#337 Mar 15, 2013
kat wrote:
<quoted text> how on earth can you profess with certainty that the 'maximum' would be 'walking away unscathed'...what if the autopsy showed that it was no accident, and that they lied about how she got her injury...they'd have some explaining to do and would either have been implicated themselves--resulting in jail--or perhaps their son would have been remanded to a state program for troubled youth...that is more than unscathed. haven't we gone over this. do you really believe if they said it was an accident--and the medical examiner-coroner declares their story of how jb got her injuries was impossible--that NO consequence would have followed.
By “maximum” I mean the best that they could hope for. The worst would be a delay before serious questions and worse. Remember, I am not saying that they would have gotten away with it!


AK

Since: May 11

AOL

#338 Mar 16, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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Assuming RDI: they would only have to explain it if 1) it is real, 2) they were aware of it 3) they believed signs of it would be visible at autopsy 4) they believed there would be an autopsy 5) they did not believe it could be explained away, etc.
When it comes to prior molestation I am a to-date a fence-sitter. When it comes to parental knowledge of prior molestation (that may or may not have been) I am on the other side of the fence. That is, to my knowledge no legitimate accusations of such have ever been directed at the parents, and they were investigated in-depth.
This has always been a problem for RDI. Prior molestation may have occurred, but there is no way to connect it to the crime.
I understand that some theorize that the sexual assault was performed so as to cover up prior molestation. However, this assault was essentially covered up. So, if RDI they covered up the assault that they performed to cover up previous assaults? What? And, if the idea was to suggest a pervert broke in and assaulted their daughter than why a ransom note? Why no break-in? Why tell the police all the doors were locked?

AK
what do you mean, "why no break-in?"..uh, kinda hard to stage a break in when there's no forensic evidence to leave but your own. I suspect that's why JR sacked the window as entry scheme, sitting down there for 40 minutes gave him time to reevaluate the hokey hole and come up with the story about his underpants..again.
Gee I wonder, did he run back to her room after that and look under her bed for the third time?

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#340 Mar 16, 2013
realTopaz wrote:
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what do you mean, "why no break-in?"..uh, kinda hard to stage a break in when there's no forensic evidence to leave but your own. I suspect that's why JR sacked the window as entry scheme, sitting down there for 40 minutes gave him time to reevaluate the hokey hole and come up with the story about his underpants..again.
Gee I wonder, did he run back to her room after that and look under her bed for the third time?
It’s easy to stage a break-in. Just open a door. Unlock everything. Tell the police everything was unlocked. Break a window.

There is no evidence that the window was broken that night or morning.

If you want the police to believe that someone came into your house then you MUST provide an entry/exit point (unlocked door) and you MUST remove and dispose of the body.

If you fail in these objectives, then the ransom note becomes nonsensical and is transformed into 2 ½ pages of self-incriminating evidence created for NO reason (does not explain body in house)


AK

Since: May 11

AOL

#341 Mar 16, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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It’s easy to stage a break-in. Just open a door. Unlock everything. Tell the police everything was unlocked. Break a window.
There is no evidence that the window was broken that night or morning.
If you want the police to believe that someone came into your house then you MUST provide an entry/exit point (unlocked door) and you MUST remove and dispose of the body.
If you fail in these objectives, then the ransom note becomes nonsensical and is transformed into 2 ½ pages of self-incriminating evidence created for NO reason (does not explain body in house)

AK
riiiiiiiight, open everything and tell police "I'm a big CEO of a company and I'm so stupid I leave doors and windows unlocked with two children sleeping on a floor beneath me". Sounds about right from the IDI. Let's just believe the Ramseys locked up and oops! shoulda fixed that window back in August. Even your beloved Lou Shit tried to make a case for that window being the entry. LOL

Since: Feb 12

Pearl City, HI

#342 Mar 16, 2013
realTopaz wrote:
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she was PREVIOUSLY MOLESTED, they had to find a way to explain that so they remolested her with a jagged stick, causing injury on top of old. Nobody falls down stairs and comes out of it molested.
Hi RT,
While the autopsy reports indicates that JB was previously molested, I doubt that they can prove it. However, IF she was previously molested, then obviously, the molestation didn't come from an intruder.

In this case, as much knowledge as we have on it, I don't think the claim that she was "raped and murdered" can be proven. She was obviously murdered, but the molestation could have come from an incident prior to the visit to the White's home the day before.
CC

Since: May 11

AOL

#343 Mar 16, 2013
Bakatari wrote:
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Hi RT,
While the autopsy reports indicates that JB was previously molested, I doubt that they can prove it. However, IF she was previously molested, then obviously, the molestation didn't come from an intruder.
In this case, as much knowledge as we have on it, I don't think the claim that she was "raped and murdered" can be proven. She was obviously murdered, but the molestation could have come from an incident prior to the visit to the White's home the day before.
CC
Hi CC:D
Yes I know the molestation could have happened before the murder, that's kind of my point. SOMEBODY KNEW and tried to cover it up by poking her with paintbrush. I don't know if you read this, but in the beginning they said the molestion prior to murder occured within 48-72 hours. Makes you wonder why parents weren't cooperative in telling whom they came across in that time. But hey, they couldn't remember when they bathed their 6 year old last,.. can't expect them to recall a day or two before their child was slain, can we?
Steve Eller

United States

#344 Mar 16, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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Would it? Really? Why would noise be a problem? Wouldn’t that help them if a neighbor could report hearing a strange noise? Oh, wait; that actually did happen.
Anyway, what would it take to unlock a cpl doors? And, why tell the police they were all locked after creating this elaborate –someone-came-into-our-house-w hile-we-were-sleeping scene?

AK
Actually the woman who said she heard a scream also said that it may have been a metpahysical or supernatural scream from JonBenet after shewas murdered. The Rameys would not have risked someone seeing them stage the 'break in'. Incidentally neighbors did report seeing lights on all night. I guess there must have been a flashlight shortage in the mid nineties so the 'intruders' while ever so careful in other ways were forced to turn on the lights and risk being detected.
Steve Eller

United States

#345 Mar 16, 2013
realTopaz wrote:
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riiiiiiiight, open everything and tell police "I'm a big CEO of a company and I'm so stupid I leave doors and windows unlocked with two children sleeping on a floor beneath me". Sounds about right from the IDI. Let's just believe the Ramseys locked up and oops! shoulda fixed that window back in August. Even your beloved Lou Shit tried to make a case for that window being the entry. LOL
Absolutely. And I guess the Home Alarm system was there for decoration as well.

Since: May 11

AOL

#346 Mar 16, 2013
Steve Eller wrote:
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Absolutely. And I guess the Home Alarm system was there for decoration as well.
seems it was, Steve. JR didn't ever set it because the kids kept setting it off..or so they said.

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#347 Mar 16, 2013
realTopaz wrote:
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riiiiiiiight, open everything and tell police "I'm a big CEO of a company and I'm so stupid I leave doors and windows unlocked with two children sleeping on a floor beneath me". Sounds about right from the IDI. Let's just believe the Ramseys locked up and oops! shoulda fixed that window back in August. Even your beloved Lou Shit tried to make a case for that window being the entry. LOL
If you are going to create a ransom note in an effort to convince the authorities that someone came into your house, than yes you have to provide a means for that entry/exit. You don’t tell them all the doors are locked. That defeats the purpose.

If you don’t provide an entry/exit point than the ransom note becomes nonsensical and is transformed into 2 ½ pages of self-incriminating evidence created for NO reason (does not explain body in house).


AK

Since: May 11

AOL

#348 Mar 16, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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If you are going to create a ransom note in an effort to convince the authorities that someone came into your house, than yes you have to provide a means for that entry/exit. You don’t tell them all the doors are locked. That defeats the purpose.
If you don’t provide an entry/exit point than the ransom note becomes nonsensical and is transformed into 2 ½ pages of self-incriminating evidence created for NO reason (does not explain body in house).

AK
I guess that's why the Ramseys told police they passed out an inordinate amount of house keys. Take your pick, the neighbor with Alzheimer's, former contractors, the White's, the Fernie's, the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker..they had their bases covered!
The broken window IMO was broken for staging purposes, but when JR went downstairs for some 40 minutes that morning, probably realized in the light of day that the spider webs were undisturbed, so he cleaned up the glass and covered his a**. Not that hard.

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