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#308 Mar 14, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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1. ha ha. and the police wouldn’t search the house and they wouldn’t hang around and do their own monitoring, etc? good grief
2. but the kid was killed before john was even given the opportunity to follow instructions! hola!

AK
I don't see what's so "ha ha" inspiring about my statement, but you IDI all think kind of screwy..go ahead and giggle like a nut. Good grief is right.

John claimed he didn't BOTHER to read the note because he knew nobody in their right mind would call in a house full of people and the cops with the threat of killing their child (or kid, as you say). It's called 'distancing'.

Oh yeah, did I mention MOLESTATION of JR's "kid"? How'd that happen AK?

Since: Feb 12

Honolulu, HI

#309 Mar 14, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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If we define the crime scene as the windowless room and the condition/location of the body, then yes the ransom note did serve to preserve the crime scene. If the child is kidnapped, then she’s been removed from the house, so why look in the house. Even the police were fooled by this one!
Why would they do all that threatening in the note if they were just going to turn around and call the police right away? Answer: they wouldn’t, just as they wouldn’t fake a kidnapping without disposing of the body.

AK
Hi AK,
IF that is the case, AND the Ramsey family was innocent, they would have gone through the house looking in every corner for their missing daughter, then re-read the RN before calling the police,, and even then, they might have contemplated as far as calling ANYONE being that the note said that their kid would be killed if they did.

The parents KNEW their child was already dead. Their actions showed it.
CC
kat

Riverhead, NY

#310 Mar 14, 2013
Bakatari wrote:
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Hi AK,
IF that is the case, AND the Ramsey family was innocent, they would have gone through the house looking in every corner for their missing daughter, then re-read the RN before calling the police,, and even then, they might have contemplated as far as calling ANYONE being that the note said that their kid would be killed if they did.
The parents KNEW their child was already dead. Their actions showed it.
CC
totally--which is also why the 10 oclock deadline for the foreign faction to call when unnoticed---dont you think if that was your kid and u thought the rn might be real you would have 1 never called police AND your friends, taking some of it to heart and 2 been super aware of the impending phone call, what you were going to say, how it was going to play out, how your daughter was doing. picture your own daugher gone--your trying to save her, you're picturing her alive, but in distress...you are super eager--dying to talk to the people who might have your sweet daughter...for that time to pass unfazed--that is just 1 in a litany of literally 100 other facts which makes who done it so freakin obvious--if not some of the smaller details.

Since: Oct 08

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#311 Mar 14, 2013
kat wrote:
<quoted text> well where i live a call to nine11 prompts an automatic notifcation to police...but regardless of whether it was immediate or not--certainly the police would have been involved later. or do you think the doctors at the hospital would have been like 'nah--why bother calling police. they said she fell down the stairs. case closed. even though her injury doesn't jive with a stair fall--they'd never lie' like, what are you suggesting--that police literally would have no involvement if they had simply called nine11 or brought her to the hospital....that is ridiculous
No. I am suggesting that reporting an accident is the simplest thing to do, and the less risky. If you think that you can get away with murder, then surely you realize that you can get away with claiming an accident.

Some people think that the Ramsey’s wealth and connections, etc allowed them to get away with murder. Surely, these same resources and advantages would have helped them through whatever investigation might have occurred? Maybe, even help them avoid such altogether?


AK

Since: Oct 08

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#312 Mar 14, 2013
kat wrote:
<quoted text> if it was TRULY an accident--like jb DID fall down the stairs, that is one thing. if the 'accident' was her brother walloping her over the head and 'accidently' killing or nearly kiling her--that is different. why, you ask--because it could have meant their son getting in trouble, or becoming a ward of the state, etc. another motive may have been to make the molestation look like it was only done that one time, not a repeated offense. heres their thinking 'oh gosh the medical examiner is going to look and see-they're going to know their was molestation--what can we do....oh i know, we can make it look like someone broke in, molested her, and killed her...no there's an idea'
I have no idea what the protocol would have been in a case of accidental death. Perhaps the police would be involved at some point, perhaps not, instead there might be some sort of an investigation by whoever looks after children’s welfare (I don’t know where responsibility is assigned in the usa).

I do know that this would be the scenario with the least amount of risk and the most amount of sense. However, if they were crazy enough to murder their child as a way of covering up whatever, then they would need to stage or fake a reason or means. A ransom note does not do this, a ransom note only “explains” a body that has been disposed of.

Of course, as you say the Ramseys might think,“what can we do....oh i know, we can make it look like someone broke in…” Except they DIDN’T make it look like someone broke in. They even told the police that all the doors were locked!


AK

Since: Oct 08

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#313 Mar 14, 2013
realTopaz wrote:
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I don't see what's so "ha ha" inspiring about my statement, but you IDI all think kind of screwy..go ahead and giggle like a nut. Good grief is right.
John claimed he didn't BOTHER to read the note because he knew nobody in their right mind would call in a house full of people and the cops with the threat of killing their child (or kid, as you say). It's called 'distancing'.
Oh yeah, did I mention MOLESTATION of JR's "kid"? How'd that happen AK?
I should not have wrote,“ha ha.” That was rude. Although I did think it was funny: 1. to say she was gone and therefore no reason to search house and 'find' her.

The police would search the house regardless of any ransom note simply because it was a crime scene. Once they arrived the police would not leave until the kidnapping was resolved. So, if the body is in the house, what good is it to say that she was kidnapped?

Whatever you say John claimed has no relevance to your number 2. to offer an excuse for JBR's death when they eventually would find her..because JR didn't follow instructions.

The child was killed before either Ramsey even saw the ransom note, so no one could make such a claim.


AK

Since: Oct 08

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#314 Mar 14, 2013
Bakatari wrote:
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Hi AK,
IF that is the case, AND the Ramsey family was innocent, they would have gone through the house looking in every corner for their missing daughter, then re-read the RN before calling the police,, and even then, they might have contemplated as far as calling ANYONE being that the note said that their kid would be killed if they did.
The parents KNEW their child was already dead. Their actions showed it.
CC
The ransom note is the only reason that the Ramseys did not do a thorough search of the house.
Obviously they either did not fully read or comprehend the note before calling 911. If they had, then maybe they would have waited before making that call. Sooner or later they would have called and most likely – because of the extreme threats - not long after the expiration of the supposed kidnappers ctwo hours call window expired at ten o’clock.


AK

Since: Oct 08

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#315 Mar 14, 2013
realTopaz wrote:
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questions about what? Oh, nothing much..until the autopsy. There's that pesky molestation, if you recall?
Assuming RDI: With all of the doctor visits you would think that the Ramseys were unaware of, or not concerned about anything suspicious (sexually) showing up at autopsy. They could have even believed that they could wiggle their way out of an autopsy (money, money, money, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, connections, etc)

But, really the problem here is that it stands there is no evidence that anyone in the family ever molested jonbenet and the evidence of prior molestation is not certain. As it is Meyer had to consult with experts and without the assault that occurred that night and without suspicious circumstances such as existed perhaps there never would have been any consultations. Who knows? You take your chances. Where does the least risk lie?


AK

Since: Oct 08

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#316 Mar 14, 2013
kat wrote:
<quoted text> totally--which is also why the 10 oclock deadline for the foreign faction to call when unnoticed---dont you think if that was your kid and u thought the rn might be real you would have 1 never called police AND your friends, taking some of it to heart and 2 been super aware of the impending phone call, what you were going to say, how it was going to play out, how your daughter was doing. picture your own daugher gone--your trying to save her, you're picturing her alive, but in distress...you are super eager--dying to talk to the people who might have your sweet daughter...for that time to pass unfazed--that is just 1 in a litany of literally 100 other facts which makes who done it so freakin obvious--if not some of the smaller details.
Kat, I loved this passage: been super aware of the impending phone call, what you were going to say, how it was going to play out, how your daughter was doing. picture your own daugher gone--your trying to save her, you're picturing her alive, but in distress...you are super eager--dying to talk to the people who might have your sweet daughter...for that time to pass unfazed-

This is exactly why I think that the Ramseys would have called 911 very soon after the 10 o’clock call window passed. After two hours of this, as you so nicely describe, something’s gotta give. They didn’t call; all those threats! Maybe she’s already dead? Sooner or later, they would have made that call.


AK

Since: May 11

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#317 Mar 14, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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I should not have wrote,“ha ha.” That was rude. Although I did think it was funny: 1. to say she was gone and therefore no reason to search house and 'find' her.
The police would search the house regardless of any ransom note simply because it was a crime scene. Once they arrived the police would not leave until the kidnapping was resolved. So, if the body is in the house, what good is it to say that she was kidnapped?
Whatever you say John claimed has no relevance to your number 2. to offer an excuse for JBR's death when they eventually would find her..because JR didn't follow instructions.
The child was killed before either Ramsey even saw the ransom note, so no one could make such a claim.

AK
are you familiar with the fact that the Ramseys just 'ran around a bit' and JR looked under JBR's bed TWICE, yet neither checked the basement until the cops did a cursory search? Then JR went to the basement for over 40 minutes to ...? Didn't bother to tell the cop upstairs about that 'sudden' recollection of breaking the window in his underwear one night in August, but I guess it took him 40 minutes to reminisce.
Are you also aware that JR 'fished around' for his binoculars to look out his window at the alley once cops arrived, but he didn't take that much time to read the entire ransom note before he told Patsy to call them? Have a good chuckle about THAT.
kat

Riverhead, NY

#318 Mar 15, 2013
protocol for 'accidental' death would be an investigation to reach that conclusion that it was accidental--automatically and especially since the medical examiner probably would have something to say if the story differed from the reality of the injuries--which it would have--there is no 'perhaps not' vis a vie police involement
to think their money is irrelevant is silly--did you see their team
this was not planned ahead of time--at least not consciously these were 2 people so egotistical and removed from reality that their attempt to continue their wally and the beaver persona enabled it
they did stage the bs broken basement window and the silly suitcase below--you buy hat

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#319 Mar 15, 2013
Do you think all injuries look the same to a coroner, or do you think the lack of other injuries consistent with falling down a narrow spiral staircase might not have back up such a ludicrous story?
Anti-K wrote:
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Questions about what? From whom? She fell down the stairs. They’re spiral. We were sleeping and found her laying there – or somewhere – when we got up in the morning. lie, lie, lie, lawyer up and get out of dodge.

AK

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#320 Mar 15, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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No. I am suggesting that reporting an accident is the simplest thing to do, and the less risky. If you think that you can get away with murder, then surely you realize that you can get away with claiming an accident.
Some people think that the Ramsey’s wealth and connections, etc allowed them to get away with murder. Surely, these same resources and advantages would have helped them through whatever investigation might have occurred? Maybe, even help them avoid such altogether?

AK
Sure it is simple if there is nothing to fear from an autopsy and nothing to worry about if your remaining child gets remanded to a facility that won't quite look nice in the social circles the Ramseys were a part of.

Anybody can "claim" it is an accident but in real life, those things are investigated and explanations about how it happened, who was there, etc., etc. will be demanded.

Once the autopsy would have shown vaginal damage, the "accident" would not be a simple "okay Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey, if you say so, no problem". The Ramseys knew very well that nothing short of pointing the finger outside of the family by stalling with a ransom note that made no sense and buying all that extra time to muddy the crime scene was important for the sake of Burke and what he may have gone through

Everyone has so much to say about the fact that Burke could not have been charged, but the Ramseys not only may not have focused on that angle but focused on the fact that even if not charged with a crime, he surely would have had to undergo mandated treatment if not residential mandated treatment along with a label for life in his records. The Ramseys were protecting him. They staged the scene, wrote the note and got Burke out as fast as they could along with Nintendo just in case he was upset about his sister.

Fortunately for Burke, Nintendo was good enough for him. Sister? What sister?

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#321 Mar 15, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
Do you think all injuries look the same to a coroner, or do you think the lack of other injuries consistent with falling down a narrow spiral staircase might not have back up such a ludicrous story?
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You are correct Seuss

You can tell anyone any story about an accident, but the injuries sustained must match the story told. The head trauma, given the verocity of the blow, would not match a small child banging her head on any part of a staircase..........unless she was violently pushed. A simple "accident" would not have explained such a hard head blow and then the other "problem" of the vagina and its injuries would also have to be explained.

Since: Feb 12

Honolulu, HI

#322 Mar 15, 2013
Are you kidding? You find a RN, and you believe totally that it is not a prank, and you don't search your own house to see if the child is truly missing???? I think you have more sense than that!
CC
Anti-K wrote:
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The ransom note is the only reason that the Ramseys did not do a thorough search of the house.
Obviously they either did not fully read or comprehend the note before calling 911. If they had, then maybe they would have waited before making that call. Sooner or later they would have called and most likely – because of the extreme threats - not long after the expiration of the supposed kidnappers ctwo hours call window expired at ten o’clock.

AK

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#323 Mar 15, 2013
Bakatari wrote:
Are you kidding? You find a RN, and you believe totally that it is not a prank, and you don't search your own house to see if the child is truly missing???? I think you have more sense than that!
CC
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According to the Ramseys themselves, they did search the house. Of course, IMO, they already knew where she was but they SAID they searched the house and John searched places more than once so that rationale is not going to work either.

They even looked in the walk in fridge and under the dust ruffle TWICE. Their words, not mine

For me, it's a moot point because they knew the note was fake because they wrote it. Nobody looked for her that morning because they already knew where she was. They claimed to have looked for her but.........

Finally, after everything was said and done and the house was no longer worthy of evidence collection that was meaningful, John finally had to find her so they could run out of town asap

Since: May 11

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#324 Mar 15, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
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According to the Ramseys themselves, they did search the house. Of course, IMO, they already knew where she was but they SAID they searched the house and John searched places more than once so that rationale is not going to work either.
They even looked in the walk in fridge and under the dust ruffle TWICE. Their words, not mine
For me, it's a moot point because they knew the note was fake because they wrote it. Nobody looked for her that morning because they already knew where she was. They claimed to have looked for her but.........
Finally, after everything was said and done and the house was no longer worthy of evidence collection that was meaningful, John finally had to find her so they could run out of town asap
They said they ran around a bit, looked in the fridge (really?) but never said they looked in the basement. I don't believe Patsy said she looked anywhere but JB's room..they claimed they both looked in BR's room by opening the door and turning on his light. That's not searching the house they wanted us all to believe is a 'virtual maze'. Not that big a house..wouldn't take over a minute to look downstairs and do what SANE people do when faced with a missing child. They can't argue "it looked like a kidnapping to me" and say they searched under her bed or in the fridge for someone they believed taken! Why look anywhere if they really thought that? All or nothing..what up with the limp wristed effort?
Gee, I wonder what Fat Cat was doing down there for forty minutes?
The Truth Hurts

Farmington, MI

#325 Mar 15, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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The child was killed before either Ramsey even saw the ransom note, so no one could make such a claim.

AK
You are operating under the assumption that the R's are innocent. Try thinking outside of that box. ;)
The Truth Hurts

Farmington, MI

#326 Mar 15, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
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The ransom note is the only reason that the Ramseys did not do a thorough search of the house.
Obviously they either did not fully read or comprehend the note before calling 911. If they had, then maybe they would have waited before making that call. Sooner or later they would have called and most likely – because of the extreme threats - not long after the expiration of the supposed kidnappers ctwo hours call window expired at ten o’clock.

AK
They saw the threats in the note, AK. That ship has sailed.
What's not to comprehend? Do you think they were morons?

Since: Oct 08

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#327 Mar 15, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
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Sure it is simple if there is nothing to fear from an autopsy and nothing to worry about if your remaining child gets remanded to a facility that won't quite look nice in the social circles the Ramseys were a part of.
Anybody can "claim" it is an accident but in real life, those things are investigated and explanations about how it happened, who was there, etc., etc. will be demanded.
Once the autopsy would have shown vaginal damage, the "accident" would not be a simple "okay Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey, if you say so, no problem". The Ramseys knew very well that nothing short of pointing the finger outside of the family by stalling with a ransom note that made no sense and buying all that extra time to muddy the crime scene was important for the sake of Burke and what he may have gone through
Everyone has so much to say about the fact that Burke could not have been charged, but the Ramseys not only may not have focused on that angle but focused on the fact that even if not charged with a crime, he surely would have had to undergo mandated treatment if not residential mandated treatment along with a label for life in his records. The Ramseys were protecting him. They staged the scene, wrote the note and got Burke out as fast as they could along with Nintendo just in case he was upset about his sister.
Fortunately for Burke, Nintendo was good enough for him. Sister? What sister?
Oh, I’m not saying that they would get away with it! I am certainly not saying that they would have had nothing to worry about!

I am saying that they could not know what an autopsy would reveal. Risks abound, and reporting an accident would have been the simplest and most efficient way of, at minimum, buying some time and at maximum walking away unscathed. Let the money and the lawyers and the connections and running away finish the rest.

I have no idea how it would have played out, but I do know that the Ramsey’s under worse circumstances and accusation managed to make their way through an autopsy and all manner of in-depth investigation more or less unscathed (assuming RDI) so they might’ve made out like bandits!


AK

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