"Mr. Cruel": Did he kill JonBenet?
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Since: Jan 12

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#26 Dec 11, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
This is all just filler for reasons that we can only speculate about i.e. spite, deflection from the Ramsey facts

This man is in Australia. Where is his passport? Easy enough to check if he flew to Boulder. Geez, now desperation is taking us to another CONTINENT?

This is like JMK all over again; nothing but a waste of space and time; only this is even more ridiculous if that's possible
His real name isn't Mr. Cruel. How would LE check his passport? Lol.

Since: Jan 12

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#27 Dec 11, 2012
Australian authorities believe he may have fled to another CONTINENT, and given the similarities among the crimes it's reasonable to consider the possibility.

Since: Sep 11

Boksburg, South Africa

#28 Dec 12, 2012
Mama2JML wrote:
<quoted text>Again, this is not "my theory", but there are interesting similarities:
He committed his crimes on school holidays, broke into homes in the middle of the night, demanded ransom he never collected (a "paltry" amount), portrayed himself as a foreign group, bound his victims with cord and tape, cleaned them, and redressed them.
Yes, Mr. Cruel abducted his victims. But, I am not sure that the perp in the JBR case did not ATTEMPT to abduct her.
Very interesting similarities, Mama. In the case of Nicola Lynas, Mr Cruel demanded a mere $25,000 although her family could have afforded a lot more. But he made no attempt to collect the ransom money and later released her. JonBenet's killer demanded $118,000, but could have demanded millions and left her body in the house.

Karmein Chan's mom, Phyllis, wrote Mr Cruel a letter which was published in the media, offering to pay a ransom if he would release Karmein. The letter contained a secret code which only Karmein would be able to break. Mrs Chan said breaking the code would reveal the number of a Post Office box where she was prepared to leave ransom money. But her impassioned pleas were ignored. Again, Mr Cruel made no attempt to collect the ransom money and Karmein was murdered.

The author of the JBR ransom note said he represented a "small foreign faction", Karmein Chan's mom Phyllis' car was spray painted with the words "Pay back, Asian drug dealer" and "More to come", in both cases no doubt red herrings intended to throw the police off track. Karmein Chan's family was exhaustively investigated and came up squeaky clean. They were not drug dealers.

Since: Sep 11

Boksburg, South Africa

#29 Dec 12, 2012
Mama2JML wrote:
<quoted text>Correct.
This may be unrelated, but it reminds me of the "photos in the laundry room" line of questioning from the '98 BDA interviews. I wonder if LE found "still photography" left behind, taken of JonBenet directly before she was assaulted and murdered? The laundry area would have been a likely environment to leave lint and dust on one's feet...
Good question, Mama. It definitely seems as though the police found some photos of JB in the laundry room but who took them remains a mystery. From Patsy's 1998 interview:

21 THOMAS HANEY: Did you take some
22 photographs of JonBenet in the basement laundry
23 room?
24 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
25 TRIP DeMUTH: You had presents in
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1 the basement laundry room, right?
2 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
3 TRIP DeMUTH: So you wrapped
4 presents in the basement laundry room, right?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
6 TRIP DeMUTH: So you were down in
7 the basement laundry room pretty often?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: Depending on what
9 time of year it was, yeah, uh-hum.
10 TRIP DeMUTH: And do you remember
11 photographs being -- photographs of JonBenet
12 being in there?
13 PATSY RAMSEY: Taken of her in the
14 laundry room?
15 TRIP DeMUTH: No, no. Photographs
16 of her located in the laundry room?
17 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, in the laundry
18 room, oh. I don't know, there was a bunch of
19 stuff, I mean wrapping stuff and everything. I
20 don't remember any photographs.
21 TRIP DeMUTH: Is there any reason
22 why there would be photographs of JonBenet
23 located in the laundry room?
24 PATSY RAMSEY: No. Were there --
25 I mean, did somebody find them there?
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1 TRIP DeMUTH: If there were, would
2 that be out of place for you?
3 PATSY RAMSEY: It would seem to be
4 out of place. I kept wrapping materials and
5 sometimes I worked, wrapping station, Christmas
6 paper and --
7 TRIP DeMUTH: Would -- who else had
8 access to the laundry room, who else would go in
9 there? I know everybody would have access, but
10 who else would use it? Would the boys play in
11 there? Would John go down there?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: I mean anybody
13 could, but I mean the boys could come down and
14 go in the train room, we had the train set up.
15 In the far back in through there, you know. Not
16 in the laundry, really, area.
17 TRIP DeMUTH: Did anybody besides
18 you use that laundry room?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: Sometimes Linda
20 would wash, if we were washing comforters or
21 something, because those were big heavy-duty
22 laundry machines, she'd take the things in
23 there, rugs and things, and wash them down
24 there.
25 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.
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1 THOMAS HANEY: So you don't recall
2 taking a photo of her down there?
3 PATSY RAMSEY:(Shaking head.)
4 THOMAS HANEY: If she was doing
5 something really cutesy or something, would you
6 maybe run and get the camera, take one of her?
7 PATSY RAMSEY: Of her in the
8 laundry room?
9 THOMAS HANEY: Uh-hum.
10 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

Since: Mar 08

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#30 Dec 12, 2012
Lynette, I believe Patsy had an explanation for those photos being in the laundry room. I'm pretty sure it was in the same interview.

This is a little confusing:

"13 PATSY RAMSEY: Taken of her in the
14 laundry room?
15 TRIP DeMUTH: No, no. Photographs
16 of her located in the laundry room?"

And then suddenly it changes into this:

"1 THOMAS HANEY: So you don't recall
2 taking a photo of her down there?
3 PATSY RAMSEY:(Shaking head.)
4 THOMAS HANEY: If she was doing
5 something really cutesy or something, would you
6 maybe run and get the camera, take one of her?
7 PATSY RAMSEY: Of her in the
8 laundry room?"

It's difficult to determine exactly which scenario is the correct one, as they rather contradict each other.

Since: Jul 10

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#31 Dec 12, 2012
The My Twinn Doll was stored or hidden in the laundry room. This was a doll ordered by sending in pictures and they return the pictures with the doll.

Maybe Patsy opened the box and put the pictures aside. Reports are she and the kids never cleaned up after themseleves or put anything back or away.

Since: Oct 12

Leawood, KS

#33 May 10, 2013
Steve Eller wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice post Capricorn. But it is only going to get more ridiculous as more facts pointing to the Ramseys guilt are released.
such as

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

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#34 May 10, 2013
And the beat goes on...LOL
Capricorn wrote:
This is all just filler for reasons that we can only speculate about i.e. spite, deflection from the Ramsey facts
This man is in Australia. Where is his passport? Easy enough to check if he flew to Boulder. Geez, now desperation is taking us to another CONTINENT?
This is like JMK all over again; nothing but a waste of space and time; only this is even more ridiculous if that's possible
Steve Eller

Brooklyn, NY

#38 Nov 1, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
And the beat goes on...LOL
<quoted text>
And on and on and on lol!

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#39 Nov 1, 2013
To infinity x infinity LOL.
Steve Eller wrote:
<quoted text>
And on and on and on lol!
sheriffwydell

Rutland, VT

#40 Nov 10, 2013
Mama2JML wrote:
<quoted text>I am not sure the perp even knew JonBenet's name?...
Is it possible that Mr. Cruel is responsible for the murder ofJonBenet? Redpill (aka Spin) seems rather confident...
Although I am not ready to place a bet, RP's theory is worth pondering.
There are many similarities among Mr. Cruels' known crimes to those resulting in the murder of JonBenet.
Mama2JML, I can tell you straight up that redpill's theory is worth NOTHING. The man's a lunatic who, just a few years ago, tried to sell that JonBenet's ghost could be heard on tape and that psychics could solve this case. That should tell you all that's necessary.
sheriffwydell

Rutland, VT

#41 Nov 10, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
This is all just filler for reasons that we can only speculate about i.e. spite, deflection from the Ramsey facts
This man is in Australia. Where is his passport? Easy enough to check if he flew to Boulder. Geez, now desperation is taking us to another CONTINENT?
This is like JMK all over again; nothing but a waste of space and time; only this is even more ridiculous if that's possible
Sadly, ridiculous is the stock-in-trade for redpill.
Kristy

Brooks, GA

#42 Dec 12, 2013
Mama2JML wrote:
On 03.16.12, Jeffrey Shapiro wrote an article in which he divulged a bit of info about skin cleanser:
"The very first stories following the December 26, 1996 murder falsely reported that semen was found on JonBenet after she was brought upstairs from the basement by her father, John Ramsey.
Those reports created intense speculation that John was a pedophile and a murderer who sexually abused his 6-year old daughter. Nothing could have been further from the truth. It later turned out that the so called semen found JonBenet was actually a skin cleanser that killer used to remove his or her DNA off JonBenet."

Skin cleanser? I'll have to look through the search warrant inventories and interview transcripts, but I don't recall this bit of info. If it is true, it fits with the Mr. Cruel theory. He cleaned his victims with sanitizer or soap...
Also, I read an article of john explaining he wished he had cut the alarm on that night but the alarm system had been malfunctioning and had sent them out of bed at all hours of the night. If you watch the mr cruel documentary on youtube the girls parents said their alarm also was doing the same exact thing. I really think its worth looking into the Mr. Cruel theory. The ramsey were showing signs of abuse but,,,,, John or whomever could have been molesting jonbenet outside of the murder theory

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

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#43 Dec 12, 2013
I guess a pill of any color is hard to swallow, LOL.

Since: Jul 10

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#44 Dec 12, 2013
Kristy wrote:
Also, I read an article of john explaining he wished he had cut the alarm on that night ... The ramsey were showing signs of abuse but,,,,, John or whomever could have been molesting jonbenet outside of the murder theory
Even your subconscious can’t believe those ridiculous conclusions and overrides the simple words and thoughts.

The Ramseys were amount the most dysfunctional family on the planet.

This was a second marriage for John, Patsy was a trophy wife to meet his sexual needs, it was not a love match for him to live forever in emotional harmony and produce offspring. He already had 3 kids. His first marriage ended in infidelity and divorce after he cheated, again to meet his sexual needs over the needs of his family and children.

The marriage of Patsy and John created on of the most absurd relationships on earth as Patsy became a stepmother and John’s original kids soon became half siblings. Burke and Jonbenet were born into a family that was a ‘broken home’. And the situation got worse when John’s daughter died and Patsy was diagnosed with cancer.

The family was living on the edge in crisis mode and it’s a miracle something hadn’t happened sooner. Jonbenet’s death at the hands of Burke was the cumulation of all that was wrong within the family from the ‘invisible’ incest to the visible imperfections.
Kristy

Newnan, GA

#45 Dec 18, 2013
moonjack wrote:
<quoted text>
Even your subconscious can’t believe those ridiculous conclusions and overrides the simple words and thoughts.
The Ramseys were amount the most dysfunctional family on the planet.
This was a second marriage for John, Patsy was a trophy wife to meet his sexual needs, it was not a love match for him to live forever in emotional harmony and produce offspring. He already had 3 kids. His first marriage ended in infidelity and divorce after he cheated, again to meet his sexual needs over the needs of his family and children.
The marriage of Patsy and John created on of the most absurd relationships on earth as Patsy became a stepmother and John’s original kids soon became half siblings. Burke and Jonbenet were born into a family that was a ‘broken home’. And the situation got worse when John’s daughter died and Patsy was diagnosed with cancer.
The family was living on the edge in crisis mode and it’s a miracle something hadn’t happened sooner. Jonbenet’s death at the hands of Burke was the cumulation of all that was wrong within the family from the ‘invisible’ incest to the visible imperfections.
Just exploring all concepts and keeping an open mind.
Kristy

Newnan, GA

#46 Dec 18, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
I guess a pill of any color is hard to swallow, LOL.
I suppose it is alot easier to swallow when you judge others dynamic ideas against your static idea.LOL.....
qwerty

Melbourne, Australia

#47 Sep 5, 2014
weirdo who keeps trolling the Web with his theories.

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