"Mr. Cruel": Did he kill JonBenet?

"Mr. Cruel": Did he kill JonBenet?

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#1 Dec 8, 2012
A poster friend of mine has analyzed most elements of the crimes attributed to Mr. Cruel. His case linkage analysis of Mr. Cruel's crimes to the crimes committed against JonBenet is enlightening and insightful....at minimum.

For some background info, view the following documentary. It provides an account of the crimes committed by Mr. Cruel:

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#2 Dec 8, 2012
You don't have to look any further than the family to solve the mysterious death of Jonbenet. The cards should have been laid on the table much earlier. These were emotionally disturbed children with bizarre behavior patterns. They were so sick they were in therapy.

The most likely reality is Burke Ramsey hit her over the head with a golf club. The shaft caused the linear break and the head of the club the depressed fracture area. Everything else was staged from the garotte nto the useless little piece of duct tape to the simulated sexual assualt with a poke up her privates.

Staged by the stage mother of them all Patsy Ramsey. Patsy was a stage mother from hell. She even scared the crap out of her own kids.

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#3 Dec 9, 2012
On 03.16.12, Jeffrey Shapiro wrote an article in which he divulged a bit of info about skin cleanser:

"The very first stories following the December 26, 1996 murder falsely reported that semen was found on JonBenet after she was brought upstairs from the basement by her father, John Ramsey.

Those reports created intense speculation that John was a pedophile and a murderer who sexually abused his 6-year old daughter. Nothing could have been further from the truth. It later turned out that the so called semen found JonBenet was actually a skin cleanser that killer used to remove his or her DNA off JonBenet."

Skin cleanser? I'll have to look through the search warrant inventories and interview transcripts, but I don't recall this bit of info. If it is true, it fits with the Mr. Cruel theory. He cleaned his victims with sanitizer or soap...

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#4 Dec 9, 2012
"While vacationing in Boulder, skiing, he hears of a young Miss Beauty Pageant winner named JB."

Thanks for the laugh. Nobody ever heard of this kid before her brother killed her.

The secret is in the kid's underwear and pajamas.

E N C O P R E S I S

Trumps everything ever said read or speculated about this case.

The family was dysfunctional to the point the kids weren't using the toilet, defecating elsewhere in the home as a present for Patsy to clean up. Patsy was physically and mentally ill. The children were in therapy. The children behaved like animals and the most vulnerable member was attacked by her animal brother and killed.

W O R D

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#5 Dec 9, 2012
You claimed to be a teacher, what is your protocol if a kid defecates in class?

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#6 Dec 9, 2012
moonjack wrote:
"While vacationing in Boulder, skiing, he hears of a young Miss Beauty Pageant winner named JB."
I am not sure the perp even knew JonBenet's name?...

Is it possible that Mr. Cruel is responsible for the murder ofJonBenet? Redpill (aka Spin) seems rather confident...

Although I am not ready to place a bet, RP's theory is worth pondering.
There are many similarities among Mr. Cruels' known crimes to those resulting in the murder of JonBenet.
gesso

Sacramento, CA

#9 Dec 10, 2012
Mama2JML wrote:
<quoted text>I am not sure the perp even knew JonBenet's name?...
Is it possible that Mr. Cruel is responsible for the murder ofJonBenet? Redpill (aka Spin) seems rather confident...
Although I am not ready to place a bet, RP's theory is worth pondering.
There are many similarities among Mr. Cruels' known crimes to those resulting in the murder of JonBenet.
Given that we know squat about what happened to JB, other than the fact that "Mr. Cruel" killed a girl, what "many similarities " do you see?

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#10 Dec 11, 2012
This was no bogey, the killer hit a hole in one. The club was held in a flat position – the handle or shaft caused the linear fracture and the depressed bone was from the head of the club - held in a horizontal position to Jonbenet’s skull. The fracture was double faceted with a depressed area and a line break matching the head and shaft of almost any size iron club, even a 1 iron.

There was plenty of bleeding inside the skull, the tissue was discolored and saturated. The skin didn't break because it was cushioned by her Teflon coated bleached hair balled up into a fountain on top of her head with a voluminous hair decoration.

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#11 Dec 11, 2012
As a matter of fact Burke may not have been aiming at Jonbenet's head at all but the bleached hair which was the root of so many problems in the home. These were mentally ill children in therapy. They didn’t use the toilet to defecate. This was a disturbing home with emotionally charged kids and one hit on the head was all it took.

Since: Sep 11

Johannesburg, South Africa

#13 Dec 11, 2012
Mama2JML wrote:
<quoted text>I am not sure the perp even knew JonBenet's name?...
Is it possible that Mr. Cruel is responsible for the murder ofJonBenet? Redpill (aka Spin) seems rather confident...
Although I am not ready to place a bet, RP's theory is worth pondering.
There are many similarities among Mr. Cruels' known crimes to those resulting in the murder of JonBenet.
What's interesting to me is that the crimes stopped after the murder of Karmein Chan in 1991. That is very unusual as serial sexual predators/killers don't stop until they either die or are caught. Mr Cruel was never caught, so unless he's dead, what became of him? Some have speculated that he fled overseas as the intense police investigation in Australia frightened him away. But if so, he's very unlikely to have stopped killing. People like Mr Cruel seem driven by some compulsion which they appear unable to control. So IMO he'd far more likely just change his MO so as to avoid a connection being made to his Australian crimes.

We know Mr Cruel was brazen and once he had his sights set on a particular little girl, the fact that her parents and siblings were in the house didn't deter him. We also know that he knew about trace evidence and forensics and was most meticulous in leaving nothing on his victims which could identify him. He is clearly a paedophile and it's suspected he photographed and taped his attacks on his victims and was possibly connected to a paedophile ring.

Since: Sep 11

Johannesburg, South Africa

#14 Dec 11, 2012
A profile of Mr Cruel is as follows:

"The profile suggests Mr Cruel was probably in steady employment, possibly in a management job or self-employed, with freedom of movement.

Those who know him would not regard him as a monster. He would probably be considered a good neighbour and may be involved in community projects.

He has an obsessive, compulsive character – the type who would immediately wipe his hands if soiled. He took a great deal of interest in media coverage, though he probably tried to disguise it. He goes for unexplained drives or walks.

He has expressed sexual fantasies or shown sexually dysfunctional behaviour. His sexual arousal and gratification is probably dependent on his partner playing specific roles, such as dressing like a schoolgirl in uniform.

Mr Cruel could be married or living with a woman who goes away around school holidays, when some of the attacks occurred. He is intelligent and well-organised. He will seem genuinely interested in and dedicated to children. He gets satisfaction from the way things look, rather than their use.

He will have displayed behavioural changes about the time of the offences and on anniversaries or when publicity is renewed. Changes such as sleeping disorders, reluctance to go to work, distraction or different eating and drinking habits. He would disguise his stress with abnormally rigid behaviour. He told some of his victims he was a victim of sexual assault as a child.

Police stress that profiling is not an exact science and anybody who suspects somebody they know might by Mr Cruel should not discount him just because he doesn’t fit the profile."

http://aussiecriminals.com.au/tag/mr-cruel/

Since: Sep 11

Johannesburg, South Africa

#15 Dec 11, 2012
Commander Sprague is sure Mr Cruel has been convicted of lesser offences in the past.

“We are convinced he’s been done before, probably for flashing or being a Peeping Tom or something similar,” he said.

“He has learned from being caught and that’s why he was so worried about leaving any forensic evidence and went to such extremes to ensure he didn’t leave anything that would identify him.”

Police were desperate for public help to crack the case

After many hours interviewing victims and consulting police experts – some from the FBI – Operation Spectrum detectives produced a profile of Mr Cruel.
This is what they know or suspect about Mr Cruel.

He used the phrases Bozo, Worry Wort and Missy and had an Australian accent with no definable class or characteristic.

Victims described him as aged between 30 and 50, from 173cm to 180cm tall, possibly with fair to sandy coloured hair and eyebrows and sometimes sporting a gingery beard. He had a slim to medium build, with a small pot belly.

Sharon Wills was one of Mr Cruel's victims, and gave crucial clues police still hope will crack the case.

Mr Cruel had access to firearms and was sometimes armed with a 35cm kitchen knife.

http://aussiecriminals.com.au/tag/mr-cruel/

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#16 Dec 11, 2012
gesso wrote:
<quoted text>Given that we know squat about what happened to JB, other than the fact that "Mr. Cruel" killed a girl, what "many similarities " do you see?
Again, this is not "my theory", but there are interesting similarities:

He committed his crimes on school holidays, broke into homes in the middle of the night, demanded ransom he never collected (a "paltry" amount), portrayed himself as a foreign group, bound his victims with cord and tape, cleaned them, and redressed them.

Yes, Mr. Cruel abducted his victims. But, I am not sure that the perp in the JBR case did not ATTEMPT to abduct her.

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#17 Dec 11, 2012
Lynette 22 wrote:
What's interesting to me is that the crimes stopped after the murder of Karmein Chan in 1991. That is very unusual as serial sexual predators/killers don't stop until they either die or are caught. Mr Cruel was never caught, so unless he's dead, what became of him? Some have speculated that he fled overseas as the intense police investigation in Australia frightened him away. But if so, he's very unlikely to have stopped killing. People like Mr Cruel seem driven by some compulsion which they appear unable to control. So IMO he'd far more likely just change his MO so as to avoid a connection being made to his Australian crimes.

We know Mr Cruel was brazen and once he had his sights set on a particular little girl, the fact that her parents and siblings were in the house didn't deter him. We also know that he knew about trace evidence and forensics and was most meticulous in leaving nothing on his victims which could identify him. He is clearly a paedophile and it's suspected he photographed and taped his attacks on his victims and was possibly connected to a paedophile ring.
Correct.

This may be unrelated, but it reminds me of the "photos in the laundry room" line of questioning from the '98 BDA interviews. I wonder if LE found "still photography" left behind, taken of JonBenet directly before she was assaulted and murdered? The laundry area would have been a likely environment to leave lint and dust on one's feet...

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#18 Dec 11, 2012
Lynette 22 wrote:
Commander Sprague is sure Mr Cruel has been convicted of lesser offences in the past.

“We are convinced he’s been done before, probably for flashing or being a Peeping Tom or something similar,” he said.

“He has learned from being caught and that’s why he was so worried about leaving any forensic evidence and went to such extremes to ensure he didn’t leave anything that would identify him.”

Police were desperate for public help to crack the case

After many hours interviewing victims and consulting police experts – some from the FBI – Operation Spectrum detectives produced a profile of Mr Cruel.
This is what they know or suspect about Mr Cruel.

He used the phrases Bozo, Worry Wort and Missy and had an Australian accent with no definable class or characteristic.

Victims described him as aged between 30 and 50, from 173cm to 180cm tall, possibly with fair to sandy coloured hair and eyebrows and sometimes sporting a gingery beard. He had a slim to medium build, with a small pot belly.

Sharon Wills was one of Mr Cruel's victims, and gave crucial clues police still hope will crack the case.

Mr Cruel had access to firearms and was sometimes armed with a 35cm kitchen knife.

http://aussiecriminals.com.au/tag/mr-cruel/
Redpill has conjectured that some of the statements attributed to Mr. Cruel are similar to the language used in the RN:
"Make a sound, and you will die.". The RN repeats "she will die", throughout.

"Don't be a hero." and "Don't try to grow a brain, John".

Then, there are misspelled words in the RN, but also the use of "uncommon" correctly spelled words such as attache.

In two cases, Mr. Cruel arranged for the parents to "pick up" there daughters, rather than "deliver" the girls to their families.

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#19 Dec 11, 2012
The following summary was posted by Redpill @ CrimeShots:

"Mr. Cruel did it. Why Mr. Cruel?

*He likes little girls, 4 known attacks, suspected in 12 more, has intense interest in little girls.

*He assaults them in their own homes, with their families present, over school holidays.

*He has detailed knowledge of forensics and countermeasures, including fingerprints, bindings, semen, etc.

*Despite attacking as many as 16 girls, there is no DNA and no semen to connect him (according to press reports they have no DNA profile on him)

*He has planned ahead and taken girls clothing and redressed them to minimize forensic fiber.

*He is a careful planner, engages in extensive surveillance and intelligence gathering.

*His whereabouts are unknown, with speculation he's left the country.

*He manipulates the crime scene to mislead investigators even before he initiates his abduction.(i.e With Karmen Chan, he arrived, wrote anti-Asian graffiti to make it look like a hate crime, before entering the house and abducting Karmein Chan.)

*He's 'foreign' and is part of a pedophile ring."

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#20 Dec 11, 2012
Lynette 22 wrote:
"The profile suggests Mr Cruel was probably in steady employment, possibly in a management job or self-employed, with freedom of movement.

He would probably be considered a good neighbour and may be involved in community projects.

He has an obsessive, compulsive character – the type who would immediately wipe his hands if soiled. He took a great deal of interest in media coverage, though he probably tried to disguise it. He goes for unexplained drives or walks.
That all fits the Ramseys like a glass slipper.

The significance of psychological and or sexual issues as a catalyst in crimninal behavior is well documentd. To understand what happened to this 6 year old girl you have to look at what was happening in the Ramsey home before the death.

Jonbenet can't talk but her brother and his therapist have the answers. Why were the kids defecating in their clothes? That behavior is lunatic for that age child. If you're looking for a monster it was Patsy.

Jonbenet's death probably saved Burke.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#21 Dec 11, 2012
This is all just filler for reasons that we can only speculate about i.e. spite, deflection from the Ramsey facts

This man is in Australia. Where is his passport? Easy enough to check if he flew to Boulder. Geez, now desperation is taking us to another CONTINENT?

This is like JMK all over again; nothing but a waste of space and time; only this is even more ridiculous if that's possible
Steve Eller

United States

#23 Dec 11, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
This is all just filler for reasons that we can only speculate about i.e. spite, deflection from the Ramsey facts
This man is in Australia. Where is his passport? Easy enough to check if he flew to Boulder. Geez, now desperation is taking us to another CONTINENT?
This is like JMK all over again; nothing but a waste of space and time; only this is even more ridiculous if that's possible
Nice post Capricorn. But it is only going to get more ridiculous as more facts pointing to the Ramseys guilt are released.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#25 Dec 11, 2012
Steve Eller wrote:
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Nice post Capricorn. But it is only going to get more ridiculous as more facts pointing to the Ramseys guilt are released.
Thanks Steve

Yeah, I know. It has already begun. First with this nonsense and if that doesn't get the attention away from Ramsey guilt, as you can see, Fleet White gets the spotlight.

All too predictable right down to the posters

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