why_nut

Flushing, NY

#21 May 30, 2008
candy wrote:
My recollection is JonBenet, Patsy and Burke's fingerprints are on the items such as the tea glass, pineapple bowl, etc.
According to a framegrab I have from the Schiller documentary of June 2006, the specific results found were:

Pineapple bowl -- Patricia and Burke's fingerprints

Glass on the table in north dining room -- Burke Ramsey's fingerprints

(Notice that in this official paperwork, the bowl is specifically referred to as the "pineapple bowl." By the time this paperwork was generated, there was clearly no question but that it contained pineapple.)
why_nut

Flushing, NY

#22 May 30, 2008
Another observation -- if anyone other than Patsy and Burke touched these items, how did they manage to keep their prints off of TWO separate items? Furthermore, how did they manage to avoid smearing Patsy's and Burke's own prints into illegibility? In the case of the glass particularly, glass is an excellent surface for holding prints, but also equally excellent at having, say, a gloved hand smear prints already on it into an unidentifiable mess.
BrotherMoon

Denver, CO

#23 May 30, 2008
Sandy Stranger was ten when she had the tea party with pineapple in cream in The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie
Right on the Money wrote:
<quoted text>
So what.
Some people describe the rn as childish, and the "staging" of the tea and pineapple as well.

I think the childish aspects of the crime can be attributed to a psychologically regressed Patsy doing it all.
Rashomon

Germany

#24 May 30, 2008
BrotherMoon wrote:
Sandy Stranger was ten when she had the tea party with pineapple in cream in The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie
What cream? No remnants of dairy products were found in JonBenet's digestive tract.
questions

Hickory, NC

#25 May 30, 2008
why_nut wrote:
What is that you say, Jameson? In defense of John's and Patsy's claim that they would NEVER be responsible for leaving a glass with tea bags in it on the breakfast room table, therefore an intruder MUST have done it?
I never saw any place where John or Patsy said an intruder must have put the tea bag in the glass. Please site your source.

In my personal discussions with the Ramseys, their family and their friends, if the tea bag came up, it was thought it was something left over from the morning of the 26th. So many people were in the house, anyone could have put it there.

You want to say the Ramseys said something different -- please show me where.
questions

Hickory, NC

#26 May 30, 2008
why_nut wrote:
... correct the misinformation that tea in glasses is not the extraordinary thing you claim it is, but quite ordinary.
http://www.polandbymail.com/get_item_arp411_h...
http://www.theshadedleaf.com/tea/catalog/Moro...
http://www.teasetc.com/details.asp...
I didn't go to all the links, but did go to one and this is what they are selling:

[i] Enjoy your favorite cup of hot tea without burning your hands with this stylish no handle glass tea mug.

Made on heat tempered borosilica glass glass, the double wall construction holds the heat in your cup and keeps your hands cool.[/i]

Heat tempered glass. Double wall construction. Not a drinking glass like that found on the Ramsey table.

So, no, no apology or correction is forthcoming. Boiling water is not poured into a normal drinking glass to make tea -- not by me or by anyone I know.
jameson

Hickory, NC

#27 May 30, 2008
Sorry, didn't notice I had put the word "questions" in the name line -- I put it there as a topic header, not a name. My bad.
BrotherMoon

Denver, CO

#28 May 30, 2008
Rashomon wrote:
<quoted text>
What cream? No remnants of dairy products were found in JonBenet's digestive tract.
The cream is in the book, you idiot.

Milk was reported to be in the bowl with pineapple in the Ramseys house, you idiot.

No dairy products were REPORTED to be in the digestive tract. That doesn't mean they weren't there. You idiot.
Patricia Fox

Atlanta, GA

#29 May 30, 2008
Capricorn wrote:
<quoted text>
I know I am not Why_Nut, but I'll take the liberty of answering your question....
NO LOL
I certainly believe you.
Patricia Fox

Atlanta, GA

#30 May 30, 2008
why_nut wrote:
Another observation -- if anyone other than Patsy and Burke touched these items, how did they manage to keep their prints off of TWO separate items? Furthermore, how did they manage to avoid smearing Patsy's and Burke's own prints into illegibility? In the case of the glass particularly, glass is an excellent surface for holding prints, but also equally excellent at having, say, a gloved hand smear prints already on it into an unidentifiable mess.
Excellent point.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#31 May 30, 2008
Thank you very much for that correction why_nut. So Burke's prints are on the "ice tea" glass in question, no surprise. It looks like a kid's way of making ice tea.
Rashomon

Germany

#32 May 31, 2008
jameson wrote:
Sorry, didn't notice I had put the word "questions" in the name line -- I put it there as a topic header, not a name. My bad.
KNEW
LOL, when reading the nick "questions" on the thread I just KNEW knew it was you, Sue. Even before I read 'Hickory, NC':D

My guess is when you introduced another 'hat' from your collection here, you forgot to use the anonymous AOL instead of the revealing 'Hickory, NC' and when you realized your mistake, you quickly said "questions" was meant to be the topic header. Won't fly, Sue.
Why don't you stick to 'Jameson' for simplicity's sake? Everyone knows it's you anyway under all those hats.
By sticking to Jameson, you would at least spare yourself the embarrassment of being unmasked all the time.
Or are you just the type who enjoys trying to deceive others? You would certainly fit the profile.
Rashomon

Germany

#33 May 31, 2008
Sorry, forgot to delete the word 'knew' at the top of my post.
Rashomon

Germany

#34 May 31, 2008
BrotherMoon wrote:
<quoted text>
The cream is in the book, you idiot.
Milk was reported to be in the bowl with pineapple in the Ramseys house, you idiot.
No dairy products were REPORTED to be in the digestive tract. That doesn't mean they weren't there. You idiot.
Cool down, man. No need to get hysterical.
I've read the book and know cream is mentioned there.

Who "reported" milk to be in the bowl? Source please.

Unless the documented record shows remnants of dairy products, your speculation is pointless.

To construct a case against Patsy, you took bits and pieces of a novel Patsy had read. Such a procedure is way off base imo.

BM, you are something like Lou Smit without a badge, only in the reverse direction.
Smit wildy fantasized to exonerate Patsy, and you wildly fantasize to implicate Patsy.
Both Smit and you are wearing blinders when it comes to assessing crucial forensic evidence found at the crime scene.

Smit ignored that the fixed knot on the neck blows his whole "the perp violently pulled the garrote handle" scenario out the window.

With you, it is John's shirt fibers which blow your "Pasty acted alone without John having a clue" scenario out the window.
BrotherMoon

Denver, CO

#35 May 31, 2008
FFJ is lucky to have you.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#36 May 31, 2008
BrotherMoon wrote:
FFJ is lucky to have you.
Apparently, equally lucky you are gone!

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#37 May 31, 2008
candy wrote:
Thanks Brother Moon. That is VERY interesting info.
For a nine year old kid trying to make sweet tea, he's just cutting to the chase, pouring water over a tea bag in a glass. That would seem the quickest way to make it. I can't imagine Patsy making it that way. My recollection is JonBenet, Patsy and Burke's fingerprints are on the items such as the tea glass, pineapple bowl, etc.
I'm pretty sure that JonBenets fingerprints were not on any of those items.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#38 May 31, 2008
The pineapple was in JonBenet's system, and that's where it came from.
Henri McPhee

Bristol, UK

#39 May 31, 2008
The pineapple, and pineapple bowl and the iced tea glass on the crime scene photos is a mystery in the Ramsey case. I don't pretend to have a definitive answer to it all.

I honestly think the Ramseys are, and were, genuinely mystified by it all.

As I've mentioned before, I agree with Ashley that some of those crime scene photos could have been staged by the Boulder cops, after they heard about pineapple at the autopsy.

Jameson seems to think it was something to do with all the vistors at the crime scene. Jameson may be right about that, but no visitor has ever owned up to putting those items there.

From what I can make out, I can't quite see that there was pineapple found in JonBenet with absolute certainty. I realize that Lou Smit told John Ramsey it definitely was pineapple found in JonBenet.

I think this mystery of the milk which has recently been mentioned by posters on this thread could be something to do with the fact that John Ramsey said it looked like milk when he looked at the crime scene photo. That's not firm evidence.

This is some background information to all this from some sort of Court TV JonBenet documentary:

VOICE OVER: "Kept from the public until now is the fact that a glass containing a tea bag was photographed next to the bowl of pineapple. How did it get there? And was the tea and the pineapple consummed at the same time?"

Patsy: But I did not do this. If she ate that, somebody put that there.
Patsy: I can never recall putting a tea bag like that, in a cup. Okay.
Patsy: So I don't know, what the answer is.

VOICE OVER: "According to police files none of the Ramseys friends or any member of the Ramsey family had any idea who prepared or served the tea. During the investigation, the crime lab found Patsy and her ten year old son, Burke's fingerprints on the bowl and Burke's on the glass of tea, adding to the mystery."

Henry Lee (Forensic Scientist): "Another area I'm always curious is whether DNA on the glass and on the bowl and particular the spoon, not only the eating area but also the handle."

VOICE OVER: "But according to the investigators, no DNA test have ever been conducted on the spoon , bowl or glass."

VOICE OVER: "Kept from the public until now is the fact that a glass containing a tea bag was photographed next to the bowl of pineapple. How did it get there? And was the tea and the pineapple consummed at the same time?"

Patsy: But I did not do this. If she ate that, somebody put that there.
Patsy: I can never recall putting a tea bag like that, in a cup. Okay.
Patsy: So I don't know, what the answer is.

VOICE OVER: "According to police files none of the Ramseys friends or any member of the Ramsey family had any idea who prepared or served the tea. During the investigation, the crime lab found Patsy and her ten year old son, Burke's fingerprints on the bowl and Burke's on the glass of tea, adding to the mystery."

Henry Lee (Forensic Scientist): "Another area I'm always curious is whether DNA on the glass and on the bowl and particular the spoon, not only the eating area but also the handle."

VOICE OVER: "But according to the investigators, no DNA test have ever been conducted on the spoon , bowl or glass."
Henri McPhee

Bristol, UK

#40 May 31, 2008
This is some more waffle about iced tea in the Ramsey case, from Patsy's 1998 interview with Tom Haney:

0483
14 TOM HANEY: Take a little breather from the
15 pineapple and let's talk about the glass, do you drink
16 hot tea?
17 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
18 TOM HANEY: Iced tea?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: Iced tea.
20 TOM HANEY: There is December 25, iced tea
21 year round.
22 PATSY RAMSEY: Mostly in the summer.
23 (inaudible).
24 TOM HANEY: Anybody else in the house drink
25 any tea?

0484
1 PATSY RAMSEY: Burke drinks iced tea in the
2 summer time.(inaudible).
3 TOM HANEY: You can tell me about the glass
4 and the tea bag, how those got to be there?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. I don't. I
6 mean, I make iced tea. I usually boil it in a pan, put
7 the tea bag in and let them steep, and then transfer it
8 to a pitcher and add the sugar.(Inaudible).
9 TOM HANEY: How about that particular glass?
10 PATSY RAMSEY: That is a water glass.

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22 PATSY RAMSEY: No. And JonBenet didn't like
23 iced tea or tea at all. I mean, did somebody -- do we
24 know what all of those people in the house that morning
25 did? Because you know there was a bowl of something in

0485
1 that Lennox China bowl, you know, with stuff in it that
2 somebody had out. Did somebody put all of this out
3 then? Was that there since that morning? Did you ask
4 them, somebody asked all those people, the two social
5 workers?

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