Why did Patrick Burke stop Patsy?
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candy

East Lansing, MI

#24 Sep 19, 2013
"Pat is the kind of person you would hire if you had a family crisis,'' said Stan Garnett, a Denver lawyer.

http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/1997/jan/...
candy

East Lansing, MI

#25 Feb 25, 2015
Seeing is believing: Patrick Burke, one of Patsy Ramsey's lawyers, has made campaign contributions to not only Stan Garnett, the DA in Boulder since January, 2009, in both his races for DA and Attorney General, but to his son as well. You can see all the campaign contributions he has made to them below. Neither Hunter nor Lacy had campaign contributions from Ramsey case lawyers. Posters today don't know who is who and who has done what with the Ramsey lawyers. That's what Steve Thomas's book was ALL about, go back and read it, to see just the type of deals, special treatment, etc. that the Ramseys lawyers demanded and got. The behind the scenes bullying, special deals has not been in the public interest, and not in the interest of Justice for JonBenet Ramsey in any way whatsoever. You should know who Hal Haddon, Bryan Morgan, Patrick Burke, Lin Wood, Pat Furman, and other lawyers are and do the same way you know what the evidence is. Go back and read Steve Thomas's book to get a better sense of these lawyers and their enormous clout with the historically weak DA's office. This thread offers a lot of examples of what Patrick Burke did in this case. IMO, we don't even know one percent of the back stage threats, sleazy deals, etc. that have plagued this case since day one:

Contributor ▲ City, State Type Amount Date Recipient Name In Kind? Major

PATRICK BURKE BOULDER, CO Monetary (Itemized)$500.00 07/13/2010 GARNETT FOR OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL No No View
PATRICK BURKE BOULDER, CO Monetary (Itemized)$250.00 09/12/2010 GARNETT FOR OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL No No View
PATRICK BURKE DENVER, CO Monetary (Itemized)$100.00 05/03/2013 GARNETT FOR COLORADO No No View
PATRICK BURKE DENVER, CO Monetary (Itemized)$50.00 03/04/2014 GARNETT FOR COLORADO No No View
PATRICK BURKE DENVER, CO Monetary (Itemized)$50.00 03/19/2014 GARNETT FOR COLORADO No No View
PATRICK BURKE DENVER, CO Monetary (Itemized)$25.00 05/13/2014 GARNETT FOR COLORADO No No View
PATRICK BURKE DENVER, CO Monetary (Itemized)$200.00 03/15/2012 GARNETT FOR BOULDER COUNTY DA

http://tracer.sos.colorado.gov/PublicSite/Sea...
candy

East Lansing, MI

#26 Feb 25, 2015
From Six Degrees of Separation:

"Patrick Burke, Boulder defense attorney representing Patsy Ramsey. He defended, along with Foreman (5) two of the "neo-Nazi thugs" accused of murdering talk show host Alan Berg, mentor and best friend of radio talk show host Peter Boyles, fervent anti-Ram. Said by to be chummy with Hofstrom (9) and DeMuth (28). "

https://web.archive.org/web/20090730201625/ht...
candy

East Lansing, MI

#27 Jan 16, 2016
Why did lawyer Patrick Burke stop Patsy? Because it's all about WINNING to them. NOT JUSTICE. "You would think" in the interests of Justice for the TRUE VICTIM, JonBenet, they would ENCOURAGE the truth to come out. BUT NO, IT'S ALL ABOUT WINNING, AT ALL COSTS, including encouraging any type of "confession" to the offense. Stan Garnett goes on and on about the system, etc., but that's NOT'S what's going on, that's NOT why cases aren't being indicted against WEALTHY PEOPLE, that's NOT why wealthy people are getting off with all manner of FELONIES no matter how GUILTY, as in the Ramsey case, OVERWHELMING PROBABLE CAUSE as Doc Miller called it there are. No, it's defense attorneys that want to win at ALL COSTS, and gutless DA's who are AFRAID of losing to them.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#28 Sep 10, 2016
Re: Patsy Ramsey not "cracking." Like this thread, ST's book mentions numerous times her lawyers "asked for breaks", when the Detectives believed she may be ready to crack.
Sheriff Wydell

Rutland, VT

#29 Sep 11, 2016
candy wrote:
Re: Patsy Ramsey not "cracking." Like this thread, ST's book mentions numerous times her lawyers "asked for breaks", when the Detectives believed she may be ready to crack.
Yes. That would have been the time to do it. By 1998, Patsy memory had yielded, as Friederich Nietzche put it.
Tex-

Spring, TX

#30 Jul 31, 2017
candy wrote:
Re: Patsy Ramsey not "cracking." Like this thread, ST's book mentions numerous times her lawyers "asked for breaks", when the Detectives believed she may be ready to crack.
She liked playing cat and mouse.
She enjoyed playing men for fools.
Non-state Actor

Los Angeles, CA

#31 Jul 31, 2017
"Why did Burke stop Patsy from talking about this when, if she was not guilty and had no knowledge of who did this, why, oh why, did Burke stop her talking? There is nothing she could have said which would incriminate her if she had no knowledge of who did this? Comments? "

He's her attorney. He's doing his job. Do you think John was paying the big bucks for these attorneys to just twiddle their thumbs?

"Seeing is believing: Patrick Burke, one of Patsy Ramsey's lawyers, has made campaign contributions to not only Stan Garnett, the DA in Boulder since January, 2009, in both his races for DA and Attorney General, but to his son as well. "

This is where a huge portion of the corruption resides....buying off both sides and playing them against the middle....also bought off. Intricate hedge betting. This is why they never had to worry about going to prison...regardless of how many grand juries indicted them.

"Neither Hunter nor Lacy had campaign contributions from Ramsey case lawyers. "

Because they didn't have to. The corruption in that regard was "different but the same" as Cheech would say. Its not about campaign contributions but about real estate holdings.

They have no idea how lucky they are that the feds never intervened.

" IMO, we don't even know one percent of the back stage threats, sleazy deals, etc. that have plagued this case since day one:"

Absolutely. Many years ago one of the 'insiders' on the forums said that the real story in this case isn't even murder and truth was the first casualty.

It amazes me that some people believe there would be all this collusion and corruption to cover for a nine year old boy that cant even be charged with a crime. In the event of BDI, the case/story gets buried on day one.
Tex-

Spring, TX

#32 Jul 31, 2017
BrotherMoon wrote:
Q. Why do people run interference for Barack Obama?

A. To perpetuate the Progressive Illusion.
Not sure how this fits, but okay. I thought John R. was Republican.
Curious

New York, NY

#33 Jul 31, 2017
I do a lot of reading here and don't usually post much. I have been following this case for 20 years & although I can obviously only speculate as to what happened that fateful night, I have to say I agree with poster NSA, that to think all these behind the scenes deals & collusions going on between the sleazy Lawyers & DA seems preposterous that they'd go to such extreme lengths to cover for a 9 year old child. It does not make any sense & does defy logic/reason. IMO there's something much bigger/worse that had to have happened for the R's & all Lawyer's involved to go to such great lengths to cover up this horrific crime. And can someone please comment on why JR hired Attorneys for his older Son & that Son's Mother, who lived in Atlanta?? That to me speaks volumes and raises a huge Red Flag. Why involve them at all given they lived in another State, & the older Son supposedly had an air-tight alibi placing him in Atlanta the night of the crime????
Non-state Actor

Los Angeles, CA

#34 Jul 31, 2017
Great post Curious. Welcome to topix. You should jump into more discussions although I do realize from running my own sites that many people prefer to just lurk.

" to think all these behind the scenes deals & collusions going on between the sleazy Lawyers & DA seems preposterous that they'd go to such extreme lengths to cover for a 9 year old child. It does not make any sense & does defy logic/reason. "

Yep.

LIke I said before, case gets buried in the event of BDI. Those involved would not risk their careers, spend millions of dollars on a case that wouldn't even really exist in the event of BDI, risk the collusion getting exposed and sending them ALL(I'm talking lawyers/DA, Smit, etc.) to prison over the child who cant even be charged.

There's nothing to investigate in a BDI scenario. It also wouldn't have required the "trench warfare" created online to spin propaganda for YEARS and it was very calculated and costed a lot of money.

People like Smit had no reason to continue his sham investigation(to his death bed) in the event of BDI.

if anything, BDI helps the Ramseys. It allows large sums of money to go after, it keeps eyes off of John and Patsy, and it lessens the risk of certain things being exposed.

BDI is a gift that will keep on giving until John finally dies. After John dies, people are going to realize what a mistake it was to focus on that during his twlight years when he deserved to be placed under a microscope one last time.

"IMO there's something much bigger/worse that had to have happened for the R's & all Lawyer's involved to go to such great lengths to cover up this horrific crime."

Absolutely. Both Ramseys knew they were in deep poop and they had to lawyer up immediately and by doing so, got the DA on their side early on.

"And can someone please comment on why JR hired Attorneys for his older Son & that Son's Mother, who lived in Atlanta?? That to me speaks volumes and raises a huge Red Flag. Why involve them at all given they lived in another State, & the older Son supposedly had an air-tight alibi placing him in Atlanta the night of the crime???? "

This has ALWAYS bothered me. JAR is the oddity in this whole story. John demanded he be ruled out first before he'd even talk to LE. They complied. Same with melinda. The reason to lawyer up his ex was so she wouldn't reveal any skeletons in Ramsey closets.

What's the name of the one Ramsey child no one cared to rule in or out until tabloids started accusing him to make a dollar so they had to come forward and admit there's zero evidence for it and its not taken seriously?

Anyone remember?
Curious

New York, NY

#35 Jul 31, 2017
Thank you NSA for providing details of why JR hired Attorneys for his older children & ex-wife. Seems a little overboard to me, but I guess JR had his reasons, I can understand about not wanting his ex revealing any skeletons, but I also would have thought that JAR's alibi, once checked out/verified by LE would have automatically ruled him out as the perpetrator of the crime, although I'm not sure about that. I agree with you regarding BDI, IMO it doesn't hold water, and quickly falls apart when you put it under a microscope. You did a nice job of laying out/explaining why BDI doesn't make sense. IMO it also doesn't make sense that the Parents would let him out of their sight that morning & allow him to leave with the neighbor, if he had anything to do with, or had any knowledge of what happened to JB that night! They couldn't be sure he wouldn't spill the beans, and IMO would never take a risk like that, a risk that could land both of them in prison if the kid talked, no way they're going to risk a 9 yr. old keeping his mouth shut! It appears there was enough dysfunction to go around in this Family, and sure the kids most likely had some issues, and Burke could have been jealous of JB & all the attention she got, even lashed out at her now and again I'm sure, but IMO, this case is about something far worse than Sibling Rivalry gone bad, especially when you think about all the extremes the R's went to, i.e.,the elaborate cover-up, phalanx of Lawyers, PR Firms, etc, etc.. I do believe JR knows what happened, given the fact that he never even seemed mad at the killer, nor has he made it his life's mission to track down/find the killer of his Daughter, and I believe that alsospeaks volumes. I'm afraid he'll take it to the grave & sad that this case may never be solved. Poor Jonbenet, she deserves justice!
Non-state Actor

Los Angeles, CA

#36 Aug 4, 2017
@Curious

"I also would have thought that JAR's alibi, once checked out/verified by LE would have automatically ruled him out as the perpetrator of the crime, although I'm not sure about that."

John knew there was a mushroom cloud of smoke above JAR's fire and it needed to be out out. It went way beyond just getting an alibi checked out for murder. Hell....that was the easy part. Even if the alibi is thin....its an alibi. Its everything else that had to be quickly dealt with and swept under the rug, even if a lot of his smoke is of John and Patsy's making.

In the early phase of the case, its most bizarre clue literally had his name written all over it. His suitcase containing a blanket with his semen on it and a Dr. Seuss book with his name written in it.

That Lucy's got some splainin' to do......except he didn't. He had already been ruled out by this point and besides....it was time to turn that disturbing piece of evidence into a phantom step out the window for the phantom intruder.

Only in the Ramsey case could such an oddity be turned into a red herring.

JAR's bedroom looked like Yucca Flats after the blast. The photo of the bed tells us Patsy was packing(or unpacking) at some point. What else was going on in there? Is his room ground zero of the Christmas nightmare? What were they(John and/or Patsy) looking for? Drawers are left open, closets not fully shut, something or someone pulled out from under his bed. How many items found in the basement originated in his room?

The basement morphed into the 'catch all' for the family secrets due to time constraints and nowhere else to go. Which brand of cigars did JAR smoke? if he doesn't like cigars, did he like to use certain cigar boxes to place assorted items in? John distanced himself from the box of Romeos. Was one of his hobbies taking or collecting photographs? If his college acquaintances can be believed, he talked about Jonbenet on a regular basis before her murder. Why? There are several items found in his room that were redacted from the transcripts. JAR's Christmas tree was western themed, including mini-cowboy boots as ornaments. A certain sibling dressed as a cowgirl on a regular basis and her very last photoshoot had a western theme. Coincidence?

In Patsy's interviews, why does his bedroom continually revert back and forth between JAR's room, the guest room, and Patsy's room depending on what the topic is?

Nobody wants to "own" this room and whatever happened in it. It's also the only room in the house that the family tries to distance themselves from. Find out why, you get one step closer to solving this case.

"this case is about something far worse than Sibling Rivalry gone bad, especially when you think about all the extremes the R's went to..."

I agree....but I also believe there was a form of sibling rivalry as the undercurrent of the unfolding tragedy....just not the standard type of rivalry usually discussed on these sites.

Some sleuths believe John and/or Patsy may have been considering trying to frame JAR during their staging, changed their mind, some of it left in place in the confusion, etc. For the sake of this discussion let's say that's true.

To even imagine such a thing, they would have a reason for even considering such a scenario and the reason cant be kosher.

No matter which theory is the big fad of the year/flavor of the month, the JAR pieces of the puzzle have always stuck out, never properly fit, and more importantly, cannot be glossed over.

Its there whether people wish to acknowledge it or not.
Tex-

Spring, TX

#37 Aug 20, 2017
Curious wrote:
Thank you NSA for providing details of why JR hired Attorneys for his older children & ex-wife. Seems a little overboard to me, but I guess JR had his reasons, I can understand about not wanting his ex revealing any skeletons, but I also would have thought that JAR's alibi, once checked out/verified by LE would have automatically ruled him out as the perpetrator of the crime, although I'm not sure about that. I agree with you regarding BDI, IMO it doesn't hold water, and quickly falls apart when you put it under a microscope. You did a nice job of laying out/explaining why BDI doesn't make sense. IMO it also doesn't make sense that the Parents would let him out of their sight that morning & allow him to leave with the neighbor, if he had anything to do with, or had any knowledge of what happened to JB that night! They couldn't be sure he wouldn't spill the beans, and IMO would never take a risk like that, a risk that could land both of them in prison if the kid talked, no way they're going to risk a 9 yr. old keeping his mouth shut! It appears there was enough dysfunction to go around in this Family, and sure the kids most likely had some issues, and Burke could have been jealous of JB & all the attention she got, even lashed out at her now and again I'm sure, but IMO, this case is about something far worse than Sibling Rivalry gone bad, especially when you think about all the extremes the R's went to, i.e.,the elaborate cover-up, phalanx of Lawyers, PR Firms, etc, etc.. I do believe JR knows what happened, given the fact that he never even seemed mad at the killer, nor has he made it his life's mission to track down/find the killer of his Daughter, and I believe that alsospeaks volumes. I'm afraid he'll take it to the grave & sad that this case may never be solved. Poor Jonbenet, she deserves justice!
Linda Arndt planted a very large seed about the dad. She called it a gut instinct, but she had never worked any kind of homicide as far as I know. I think the posters here watch Blue Bloods, Law and Order, SVU, and a multitude of tv shows and think they are super sleuths. The LE types seem to have left the building for greener pastures.
Secret Sauce

Spring, TX

#38 Jan 13, 2018
BrotherMoon wrote:
<quoted text>

Patsy was curious about herself, being such a nacissist. She wanted the group of individuals found out. "They" wanted recognition. "They" were split-off personas in Patsy. Patsy repeatedly tried to spill the beans. But nobody, except me, listened carefully.
Were all of her personas narcissistic? Were any of her personas covert narcissists?
Secret Sauce

Spring, TX

#39 Jan 13, 2018
Curious wrote:
Thank you NSA for providing details of why JR hired Attorneys for his older children & ex-wife. Seems a little overboard to me, but I guess JR had his reasons, I can understand about not wanting his ex revealing any skeletons, but I also would have thought that JAR's alibi, once checked out/verified by LE would have automatically ruled him out as the perpetrator of the crime, although I'm not sure about that. I agree with you regarding BDI, IMO it doesn't hold water, and quickly falls apart when you put it under a microscope. You did a nice job of laying out/explaining why BDI doesn't make sense. IMO it also doesn't make sense that the Parents would let him out of their sight that morning & allow him to leave with the neighbor, if he had anything to do with, or had any knowledge of what happened to JB that night! They couldn't be sure he wouldn't spill the beans, and IMO would never take a risk like that, a risk that could land both of them in prison if the kid talked, no way they're going to risk a 9 yr. old keeping his mouth shut! It appears there was enough dysfunction to go around in this Family, and sure the kids most likely had some issues, and Burke could have been jealous of JB & all the attention she got, even lashed out at her now and again I'm sure, but IMO, this case is about something far worse than Sibling Rivalry gone bad, especially when you think about all the extremes the R's went to, i.e.,the elaborate cover-up, phalanx of Lawyers, PR Firms, etc, etc.. I do believe JR knows what happened, given the fact that he never even seemed mad at the killer, nor has he made it his life's mission to track down/find the killer of his Daughter, and I believe that alsospeaks volumes. I'm afraid he'll take it to the grave & sad that this case may never be solved. Poor Jonbenet, she deserves justice!
Maybe John knew who the killer was and that Burke was safer away from the home.

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