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#1 Feb 7, 2012
Does anyone know the story about Patsy entertaining the young Mormon Missionaries that were in Boulder at the time of JonBenet's death? In the fall of 1996, Patsy had two Mormon missionaries in her home to discuss religion with her. They would come around about once a week and they got to know Pasty, JonBenet and Burke quite well. After about a month of visits with Patsy, they stopped coming by the Ramsey home. The missionaries move around much, so it's not known if those two men were in town when JB died. This is something that needs to be looked into for several reasons, eventhough Mormons are considered religious and good people. Those two men could have just "posed" as missionaries in order to obtain access to JonBenet.

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#2 Feb 7, 2012
I am not saying this is what happened. I am just trying to think outside of the box. This is a fifteen year cold case. Anyone would just two men dressed in suits, riding around on bicycles with elder tags on their shirts.

BrotherMoon

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

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#3 Feb 7, 2012
There was a report of two Hasidic Jews on pogo sticks. Is that close enough?

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#4 Feb 7, 2012
BrotherMoon wrote:
There was a report of two Hasidic Jews on pogo sticks. Is that close enough?
Possibly

BrotherMoon

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#5 Feb 7, 2012
GreyStone15 wrote:
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Possibly
It's a toss-up then.

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#6 Feb 7, 2012
GreyStone15 wrote:
Does anyone know the story about Patsy entertaining the young Mormon Missionaries that were in Boulder at the time of JonBenet's death? In the fall of 1996, Patsy had two Mormon missionaries in her home to discuss religion with her. They would come around about once a week and they got to know Pasty, JonBenet and Burke quite well. After about a month of visits with Patsy, they stopped coming by the Ramsey home. The missionaries move around much, so it's not known if those two men were in town when JB died. This is something that needs to be looked into for several reasons, eventhough Mormons are considered religious and good people. Those two men could have just "posed" as missionaries in order to obtain access to JonBenet.
Interesting. I have not read of this possibility before now. Do you have links to share?

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#8 Feb 8, 2012
Although I hate to give credence to your missionary theory by answering, I need to correct some information. They DO NOT move around much. When LDS men or women serve their missions, they are assigned to an area for a period of 18 months to 2 years until their mission is completed, at which time they return home. If these guys were the "posers" that you suggest, I think Patsy would have caught on before a month had passed with weekly visits considering religion is all they discuss on such visits other than obligatory greetings.
GreyStone15 wrote:
Does anyone know the story about Patsy entertaining the young Mormon Missionaries that were in Boulder at the time of JonBenet's death? In the fall of 1996, Patsy had two Mormon missionaries in her home to discuss religion with her. They would come around about once a week and they got to know Pasty, JonBenet and Burke quite well. After about a month of visits with Patsy, they stopped coming by the Ramsey home. The missionaries move around much, so it's not known if those two men were in town when JB died. This is something that needs to be looked into for several reasons, eventhough Mormons are considered religious and good people. Those two men could have just "posed" as missionaries in order to obtain access to JonBenet.

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#10 Feb 8, 2012
They don't "go home" for Christmas. All LDS don't live in SLC either. Once they are on their mission they are not allowed to go home for visits until the mission is completed.
moonjack wrote:
Colorado would be close enough for them to go home to Utah for Christmas.
BM's creativity shines again, as does his other made-up stories.

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#11 Feb 8, 2012
DrSeussMd wrote:
Although I hate to give credence to your missionary theory by answering, I need to correct some information. They DO NOT move around much. When LDS men or women serve their missions, they are assigned to an area for a period of 18 months to 2 years until their mission is completed, at which time they return home. If these guys were the "posers" that you suggest, I think Patsy would have caught on before a month had passed with weekly visits considering religion is all they discuss on such visits other than obligatory greetings.
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You are wrong. They don't serve their entire mission in one city or state. They move around and never serve over six months in one place.

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#12 Feb 8, 2012
Mama2JML wrote:
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Interesting. I have not read of this possibility before now. Do you have links to share?
Mama, I have read all of the articles on the case, I have read the entire case library and all of the books, forums etc. I am now doing my own investitgation. I started this about three months ago. I actually talked to a woman who, at the time was a 16 year old girl when JB was murdered. She lived in the same neighborhood as JB. She knew that the missionaries were visiting Patsy because they were visiting her home, as well. The question is, were these actually missionaries or were these men just posing as missionaries?

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#13 Feb 8, 2012
That may be true in outlying areas abroad. Ones who are assigned to let's say Boulder Colorado, will cover different areas of the city, but will remain in Boulder. If they are only assigned a region (as in Colorado), they may be in Boulder and in surrounding towns. It would depend on how the mission calling was designated. When the mission is served in another country, lets use Germany as an example, they may also cover separate areas and move from location in the north of the country to the south of the country, but generally one one of the two would be moved at a time while the remaining one would familiarize the next incoming missionary with their area. Because it 'can' happen really doesn't mean that it does. I have known missionaries to stay in one small area for the full 2 years (the old time frame that they used to serve before they lessened the time to a year and a half). I don't believe the missionaries were imposters like you are questioning. It is obvious you don't know much about these people, how missions work, the supervision of missionaries, or the followup that happens. Please feel free to believe they are the intruder(S) if you wish, but learn a bit about the subject at hand prior to attempting to discuss it just on the surface. So to have them be valid suspects you believe both of them killed JBR, or since they were fake, maybe just one of them was the intruder? Are they the foreign faction?
GreyStone15 wrote:
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You are wrong. They don't serve their entire mission in one city or state. They move around and never serve over six months in one place.

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#14 Feb 8, 2012
DrSeussMd wrote:
That may be true in outlying areas abroad. Ones who are assigned to let's say Boulder Colorado, will cover different areas of the city, but will remain in Boulder. If they are only assigned a region (as in Colorado), they may be in Boulder and in surrounding towns. It would depend on how the mission calling was designated. When the mission is served in another country, lets use Germany as an example, they may also cover separate areas and move from location in the north of the country to the south of the country, but generally one one of the two would be moved at a time while the remaining one would familiarize the next incoming missionary with their area. Because it 'can' happen really doesn't mean that it does. I have known missionaries to stay in one small area for the full 2 years (the old time frame that they used to serve before they lessened the time to a year and a half). I don't believe the missionaries were imposters like you are questioning. It is obvious you don't know much about these people, how missions work, the supervision of missionaries, or the followup that happens. Please feel free to believe they are the intruder(S) if you wish, but learn a bit about the subject at hand prior to attempting to discuss it just on the surface. So to have them be valid suspects you believe both of them killed JBR, or since they were fake, maybe just one of them was the intruder? Are they the foreign faction?
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Once again, you are wrong. They move from town to town, state to state. Some are placed in other countries and will remain in that country until their mission is over. i know more about how Mormon missionaries work than you do, unless you are a Mormon that is... This is a fifteen year old cold case and I am trying to explore all options. I have even investigated the "Ramsey did it theory."

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#15 Feb 8, 2012
I am not LDS, although 80% of my friends are and they all served missions, and their kids are starting to serve them. They do not move from city to city and state to state. I have been exposed to the religion and culture and people going on missions, their stories when they return, and where they went for the last 31 years of my life. I think I probably DO know about it. What you are describing sound more like the Harikrishna, or Jehovah Witness, not an LDS MISSION!

I understand this is a 15 year old case and you are exploring all options. I don't fault you for that at all. I just fault you for providing misinformation about Mormon Missions.
GreyStone15 wrote:
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Once again, you are wrong. They move from town to town, state to state. Some are placed in other countries and will remain in that country until their mission is over. i know more about how Mormon missionaries work than you do, unless you are a Mormon that is... This is a fifteen year old cold case and I am trying to explore all options. I have even investigated the "Ramsey did it theory."

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#16 Feb 8, 2012
GreeyStone15 - except the going in pairs and the bicycles - you got that part right!:)

BrotherMoon

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Since: Jan 08

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#17 Feb 8, 2012
GreyStone15 wrote:
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Once again, you are wrong. They move from town to town, state to state. Some are placed in other countries and will remain in that country until their mission is over. i know more about how Mormon missionaries work than you do, unless you are a Mormon that is... This is a fifteen year old cold case and I am trying to explore all options. I have even investigated the "Ramsey did it theory."
Investigation my ass. You come to a forum to investigate Mormons?

You are just another IDIot troll.

Go away and try looking for door to door panty salesmen that worked in pairs.

Then come back with your report. Or don't come back.

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#18 Feb 8, 2012
GreyStone15 wrote:
<quoted text>Mama, I have read all of the articles on the case, I have read the entire case library and all of the books, forums etc. I am now doing my own investitgation. I started this about three months ago. I actually talked to a woman who, at the time was a 16 year old girl when JB was murdered. She lived in the same neighborhood as JB. She knew that the missionaries were visiting Patsy because they were visiting her home, as well. The question is, were these actually missionaries or were these men just posing as missionaries?
Wow. That is an intriguing story! It sounds like the neighbor must have found the duo suspicious... Any other info you'd like to share? I'll help you do some research, but I'm sure you know more than I do as I'm a newbie...

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Since: Nov 06

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#21 Feb 8, 2012
A story is all I believe it is too. At 16, the girl should have understood what the missionaries were saying, as they are pretty clear when they are trying to get converts into the church. Unless of course they were speaking to her parents and she was in another room or something. I don't know what the prevalent religion is in Boulder, but I am guessing it isn't LDS, so perhaps it just seemed strange for her to see two young men on bicycles carrying the Book of Mormon.

Greystone, did she say what seemed strange to her about them?

Ole South

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Since: Aug 11

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#23 Feb 8, 2012
An interesting article concerning LDS can be found at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary_ (LDS_Church)

Since: Sep 11

Johannesburg, South Africa

#26 Feb 10, 2012
GreyStone15 wrote:
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Mama, I have read all of the articles on the case, I have read the entire case library and all of the books, forums etc. I am now doing my own investitgation. I started this about three months ago. I actually talked to a woman who, at the time was a 16 year old girl when JB was murdered. She lived in the same neighborhood as JB. She knew that the missionaries were visiting Patsy because they were visiting her home, as well. The question is, were these actually missionaries or were these men just posing as missionaries?
While there's no harm in taking a second look at the missionaries, my personal feeling is that they were probably above board.

John Ramsey felt it was an "inside" job and I agree with him as IMO it wouldn't have been possible to commit this crime without having a fairly intimate knowledge of the family and their home.

People who go around from door to door promoting religion often encounter a lot of rudeness, even ridicule. They're well-meaning, but can be quite persistent, so unless you're interested in what they have to say, it's not a good idea to invite them in. Patsy may have let them in out of sympathy and then, to put it bluntly and no disrespect intended, perhaps found it difficult to get rid of them.

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#27 Feb 10, 2012
For the most part I agree with you, and persistence is paramount. I can totally see Patsy not knowing what to say at first, and letting them in and even enjoying discussing religion with them. The only part I disagree with is the 'finding it difficult to get rid of them' part. On the first visit, yes, but if they had been coming back once or twice a week for a month as GreyStone indicated, all you have to do is not go to the door, or just say NO, or tell them you are busy on the second and subsequent visits.
Lynette 22 wrote:
<quoted text> While there's no harm in taking a second look at the missionaries, my personal feeling is that they were probably above board.
John Ramsey felt it was an "inside" job and I agree with him as IMO it wouldn't have been possible to commit this crime without having a fairly intimate knowledge of the family and their home.
People who go around from door to door promoting religion often encounter a lot of rudeness, even ridicule. They're well-meaning, but can be quite persistent, so unless you're interested in what they have to say, it's not a good idea to invite them in. Patsy may have let them in out of sympathy and then, to put it bluntly and no disrespect intended, perhaps found it difficult to get rid of them.

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