Steve Thomas and the Psychic

Steve Thomas and the Psychic

Posted in the JonBenet Ramsey Forum

joejam

AOL

#1 Jan 15, 2007
I have made mention in the past of how Steve Thomas went to a medium ...that did not know who he was before, during or even after the reading. I know that Steve left there feeling okay with his theory of what he believed happened. I believe in this stuff...and when I say these kind of things, the RDI people just overlook it. Seems to me all they ever want to do is fight. All I have ever asked is show me the proof an intruder did not do this. Or someone that knew the family.....and included the family. (maybe not intentional killing, but dead none the less).....
candy

East Lansing, MI

#2 Jan 16, 2007
It seems if he went to a medium, he wouldn't have settled so quickly with the Ramseys. And oh, by the way, why didn't the medium have info that would have brought about an arrest?
candy

East Lansing, MI

#3 Jan 16, 2007
This kind of thing is just more ammo for Team Scamsey as well. It's as bad as Arndt seeing lights.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#4 Jan 18, 2007
Just to show you about psychics: Sylvia Browne said Shawn Hornbeck was DEAD:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/93614/S...

Sylvia Browne said Missing Child Hornbeck was Dead
Posted yesterday by BlogMania in Crime

was online today trying to get the latest on the Hornbeck Case when I came across this site. I’m sure most of us know who Sylvia Browne is. If you don’t she is a physic who appears on The Montel Williams show every Wednesday. I was disappointed to find out that on Feb 12th in 2003 she appeared on the show to assist Pam and Craig Akers as an aid in the search for there missing boy.(Shawn Hornbeck, the boy who was returned 4 years later) She advised them at the time the show aired that…

"their son "is no longer with us" but she had the impression his body was in a wooded area about 20 miles southwest of Richwoods. She said it would be near two large, jagged boulders that seem out of place in that area."

Oh my gosh was she wrong. Now I, up until today loved Sylvia even after she had failed me when she predicted incorrectly in one of the presidential election. I cant remember who she said would win because it was so long ago but, I do remember she was wrong.

As far as the Hornbeck case Sylvia also said that…

“it was her vision that Shawn was taken by a "dark-skinned man, he wasn't black -- more like Hispanic." She said he had long, black hair that he wore in dreadlocks and was "really tall." Driving an older model blue sedan, a car with fins like in the late 1950's and early 1960's Chevrolets.”

Umm…does Devlin, the man accused of taking Hornbeck (who you can find a picture of in my other blogs) look like a Hispanic guy with dreads?

As far as the “older model blue sedan” that was way off. Her visions must be blurred by all the crap she feeds to people. She could be colored blind on the other hand but how does she explain not knowing the difference between a Chevy Sedan and a Nissan Pick Up Truck.

Very sad day for me, now I will have to find something else to record Wednesdays at 4....I just realized today is Wednesday...I wish I could remote my Tivo from work.
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joejam

Edmond, OK

#5 Jan 18, 2007
I don't believe Sylvia much at all....all I was stating about this particular book was that it wasn't even part of the main topic of the book. I'll have to find it when I get off work. But it just mentioned it towards the end. It is a book about loved ones after death and communication. I don't know why Steve Thomas settled so quickly. Who knows why anyone did what they did concerning this case.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#6 Jan 19, 2007
Anderson Cooper is going to cover the Sylvia Browne FALSE reading in the Shawn Hornbeck case tonight.
jameson

North Wilkesboro, NC

#7 Jan 20, 2007
Thomas went to a BORG fortune teller? News to me. But interesting.(I wuld guess she is a friend of Montel? That one has been so wrong in this case, it is enough to make one really skeptical.)
joejam

AOL

#8 Jan 20, 2007
I do agree Jameson.....but in my heart of hearts...I believe the parents have a really good idea who did this. Do you not? If not, why?
candy

East Lansing, MI

#9 Jan 27, 2007
Larry King Live segment on the Sylvia Browne FRAUD:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/2...
KING: Up next, the controversy swirling around psychic Sylvia Brown and her inaccurate read on a now famous kidnapping victim.
Stick around.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, FEBRUARY 26, 2003, COURTESY "THE MONTEL WILLIAMS SHOW")
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is he still with us?
SYLVIA BROWN, PSYCHIC: No.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we've also located Shawn Hornbeck, who was at the same residence with him when he was located. Both boys appear, at this point, to be OK.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
L. KING: We are back.
On this edition of LARRY KING LIVE, four months after Shawn Hornbeck went missing in Missouri in October 2002, his desperate mom and dad sought answers from a psychic on national TV. She did it on our friend Montel Williams' television show. Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SYLVIA BROWNE, PSYCHIC: The guy was dark skinned, although he wasn't black. He was more Hispanic looking, had real long, dark hair. And strange enough Hispanic, but he had dreadlocks.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is he still with us?
BROWNE: No.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
L. KING: We welcome James Randi, investigator and demystifier of paranormal and pseudoscientific claims and founders of the James Randi Educational Foundation, the Web site for which is randi.org . He is also the best-selling author and worked as a professional magician once under the name the Amazing Randi. He is in Ft. Lauderdale.
In Venice, Florida is Rosemary Altea, described on her Web site, rosemaryaltea.com , as an international spiritual medium. She is the best-selling author of "The Eagle and the Rose."
Rosemary, we'll start with you. What do you make of what we just saw?
ROSEMARY ALTEA, MEDIUM: Well, Larry, I think it was inevitable that something like this would happen. I've been saying for as long as I can remember that we should be much more discerning. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. There are many, many people out there. Most of us in fact have some psychic ability, we have some instinct, some understanding of a connection beyond this world. But so many people now are so irresponsible with this gift.
They have a little gift, a little knowledge and a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I'm so, so sad for the parents of this boy and what they have been through. Not just losing their son but relying on somebody, somebody -- somebody like me, and going to that person and asking these questions and expecting to find the truth.
L. KING: By the way, we asked Montel Williams to respond to the controversy about the reading Sylvia Browne did on his TV show. He had no comment. He also took a pass on appearing on this program to discuss the topic.
We will have some other statements later. James Randi, she did describe the accused villain pretty well.
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candy

East Lansing, MI

#10 Jan 27, 2007
JAMES RANDI, SKEPTIC: She described the accused villain as having dreadlocks, long hair ...
L. KING: Didn't he have long, black hair.
RANDI: No, he did not. He was very fat and not a tall, tall as she had described.
L. KING: I would call that long based on my own hair, but, the point being, of course, she did say he had passed away, how do you read this?
RANDI: Well, she said that the boy had passed away, yes. She also said it about the other young boy that missing at the same time that the police were doing their search. And this is not uncommon at all, Larry. These people when they are wrong, they are usually dramatically wrong. When they are right, they are only right with common things you would expect to be true.
Now the expectation was this kid had been kidnapped and probably killed. Certainly the one that was gone for four years would certainly have been killed by now. That was the expectation. So she went along with the expected scenario and she said that to the parents and practically destroyed them. It's terrible.
L. KING: Rosemary, how do you respond to that? It is, isn't it?
ALTEA: Yes, it's terrible. And I want to make something clear here. I am not here to debunk Sylvia Browne. I do not know Sylvia Browne. I don't know what her gift is like. We all make mistakes.
Having said that, we all know also that there are in every profession, there are people who state that they are much more qualified than in fact they are. We get a quack doctor. That doesn't mean that the whole medical profession should be condemned for one quack doctor.
Basically what I'm saying is people do make mistakes. That's the first thing. Second thing is, there are many, many people out there who have incredible and beautiful gift -- and it is a gift.
L. KING: Sure.
ALTEA: It is a very rare gift. And we have that gift and we treat it with respect.
RANDI: Where are these people? That's my question. See the James Randi Educational Foundation offers a million dollar prize ...
ALTEA: Here we go again, James.
RANDI: Yes, we do go again.
ALTEA: We have been there, we have been this route you and I.
RANDI: Rosemary, we have been there repeatedly, that is very true.

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candy

East Lansing, MI

#11 Jan 27, 2007
ALTEA: We have.
RANDI: But why won't you take the prize? Simple answer, please.
ALTEA: We discussed this on the LARRY KING show the last time. You come up with a real plan and don't believe there's $1 million. I don't want to get ...
RANDI: Hold on. That's the first objection. That's the one everybody makes.
ALTEA: One second.
L. KING: One at a time.
RANDI: There is no $1 million.
ALTEA: One second.
RANDI: Now there is a million dollars. It is with Goldman Sachs in a special account awardable only for this particular purpose. So don't give me that.
ALTEA: OK. I'm not go into this discussion. We had this out before, James. My interests and my concern here is that people don't throw the baby out with the bath water. There is an incredible and rare gift. It does not matter to me, James, whether you believe it or you don't ...
RANDI: It's not whether I believe it, it's whether or not it is so.
ALTEA: If you will let me talk now, please. There are millions of people around the world who have had incredible evidence, and I think, Larry, the key is that, you know, I'm educating people all the time . In my first book I was talking about we have to be skeptical. People have to be skeptical.
RANDI: Sure.

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candy

East Lansing, MI

#12 Jan 27, 2007
ALTEA: What is happening when somebody goes on a show, they lost a child. The child has gone missing. And they ask somebody, a total stranger. She may be a celebrity but she's a total stranger to them, what happened to my son? Why are we buying into this kind of thing without evidence?
L. KING: I have got to take break. Hold it. James, are you saying there is no such thing as psychic ability?
RANDI: No, I have not said that, Larry. What I have said, these people claim there is. I don't make any claim one way or another. I simply say, if there is such a thing, we will pay them $1 million U.S.
L. KING: "As Sylvia states during her appearances on 'The Montel Show' and her books and radio show and each of her lectures, she cannot possibly be 100 percent in each and every one of her predictions."
RANDI: I do not expect that. I have no expectation of that at all.
L. KING: "She has during her career of 50 years help literally 10 of thousands of people. It is also sad that many in the public will afford any other professionals such as doctors, lawyers and law enforcement the right to be human and to be wrong but not Sylvia.
RANDI: I will grant her the right to be human and to be wrong, Larry. I just want evidence it is so. I can take it from Rosemary, I can take it from Sylvia, from James von Prag (ph), John Edwards, any of them.
L. KING: All right. Let's get a break. We will come back on more of this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. Don't go away.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BROWNE: I just happen to be born with it.
L. KING: Why you?
BROWNE: I don't know. It's the same thing ...
L. KING: when you get this channeling, what do you mean by channeling?
BROWNE: Channeling means I am like an open tube. What goes on with Sylvia is entirely different of what I get. I mean, Sylvia can have her own problems. But there's a side of me which is like a tube in which it just comes through.
L. KING: you see things about people?
BROWNE: I'm with the rest of them, I'm much more into the whole idea of God's goodness and the survival of the soul after death.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
L. KING: We are back with James Randi and Rosemary Altea. Shawn's mom and dad, Pam and Craig Akers, who appeared on this show talked with CNN's Anderson Cooper earlier this month about Sylvia Browne. Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Is it true she also offered to help for $700?
CRAIG AKERS, SHAWN HORNBECK'S PARENTS: Yes, we were told if he wanted to talk with her additionally, that we could at her normal standard fee.
COOPER: And that's $700 an hour?
C. AKERS: I believe that's what it was.
(END VIDEO CLIP)

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candy

East Lansing, MI

#13 Jan 27, 2007
L. KING: Sylvia Browne's business manager send us the following, "Sylvia has never charged a fee to any law enforcement person, agency or any individual for her work on a missing person's case and has worked on hundreds of such cases over the years and only when asked by law enforcement with positive results. Sylvia is overwhelmed with happiness and gratitude to God that Shawn was found alive and well and grateful to all those responsible for finding him."
Sylvia has also posted a message on her Web site if you want to go to that, sylvia.org about this matter.
James, who do you believe on this question of a fee?
RANDI: I don't know. It's pretty hard to say. Because Sylvia does get $700 over the telephone. She gets this kind of money to do a reading for people that lasts about 20 minutes. I have got several of them on tape and one of them went up on my Web site today, as a matter of fact.
That's a lot of money, Larry. That's the kind of money that anyone who want to make. But does she produce anything for it? Does she deliver anything? Remember, she agreed on this show many years ago to take the million dollar challenge. Then she said she could not find me. She does not know how to use a telephone book? What seems to be the problem here?
And after that when she found out how she could reach me she didn't reach me and has not been in touch with me since. Why?
L. KING: Rosemary, explain to me something about psychics. When Sylvia said the boy was gone, tell me what she sees. Does she see a grave? Does she see a body? When a psychic something like he's gone, what is seeing?
ALTEA: I will tell you that I cannot tell you what Sylvia Browne sees.
L. KING: What do you see?
ALTEA: What I see, the first thing that I do is I make a communication. I make a connection with somebody in the spirit world. That someone needs to be a member -- a family member of the person I'm giving a consultation to. Then once I begin to talk to that person, I'm asking that person to give me information, to give me evidence.
I mean, I'm seeing this person and I'm hearing this person and I'm asking them, please give me information, usually it's information that I couldn't possibly know. I will give you the briefest example, a lady yesterday called and I described her home that was on a man made lake. I described the house in detail. Even to the roofline the new terrace and plantings. Now ... L. KING: And who was telling you that?
ALTEA: Who was telling me that? Her mother was telling me that. So basically what I'm doing here, as I'm laying the groundwork. I'm laying the groundwork to show this person, the person I'm giving the consultation to, I'm laying the ground work to show her that I am actually really talking to someone in the spirit world who knows them very, very world. Can i just say one more thing, Larry?
L. KING: Quickly, yeah.

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candy

East Lansing, MI

#14 Jan 27, 2007
ALTEA: I don't know whether Sylvia Browne has a 15 or 20-minute consult, but I will tell you no one in their right mind, no medium would ever give a 15 to 20-minute consultation and expect to produce anything. You cannot. You cannot - you can do a two-minute something on the telephone as I have done on your show many times. But when you are giving a consultation and you're talking to people in the spirit world, you have to give that person at least 50 minutes to an hour. You cannot do it in less than that.
L. KING: James, is that all hogwash to you?
RANDI: Yes, it's capital hogwash with a capital H.
L. KING: We will get a break and we will be coming right back with James Randi and Rosemary Altea. I've known James a long time. I knew him when he was just the Amazing Randi. Speaking of amazing, the amazing John King is sitting in tonight for Anderson Cooper. He will host AC350 out of Washington. John, what's up?
JOHN KING, CNN HOST: That's great stuff there, Larry. You know, I'd settle for the Powerball number myself. Tonight on the program a story that frankly left a lot of us scratching our heads in amazement.
A teenager, minor serving a 10-year prison sentence for a crime that even lawmakers and prosecutor says shouldn't be a crime. Branded a sex offender for life for something some teens do every weekend.
And here's the kicker, if and he and his underage companion did what a lot of parents might consider a whole lot worse, the law would have let him off nearly scot-free. We're on that story, "Keeping them Honest."
Also look into the growing war of words and more between the United States and Iran.
Plus one couple's struggle with a mountain lion. Animal expert Jeff Corwin here to tell us what you need to know so you can survive just an encounter. All of that and more, Larry, tonight on 360.
L. KING: That first story sounds amazing.
J. KING: Big stuff.
L. KING: John King at the top of the hour, 10:00 Eastern, 7:00 Pacific. Back with more on the psychic storm of controversy in a minute. As we go to break, more of Sylvia from an appearance here on LARRY KING LIVE discussing her self-described psychic abilities.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
L. KING: Do you like your power?
BROWNE: Sometimes, Larry. Sometimes it's hard.
L. KING: Are there days you don't have it?
BROWNE: No.
L. KING: You always have it.
BROWNE: Always have it.
L. KING: When you miss, when you see something and the caller says, I don't know what you're talking about ...
BROWNE: Because I'm not God. I would be scared to death, Larry, if I was right all the time. Wouldn't that be scary? That would be frightening if I was right all the time.

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candy

East Lansing, MI

#15 Jan 27, 2007
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
L. KING: We are back with James Randi and Rosemary Altea. Let's take a couple of calls. Northville, Michigan, hello?
CALLER: Hi.
L. KING: Hi.
CALLER: My question is, I have seen Sylvia Browne many times and I tried calling her phone number to make an appointment. And it is true, she does charge $700 for a half-hour. My question is, if this is a gift from God, which so many psychics claim it is, why do they charge so much?
L. KING: James?
RANDI: Well, first of all, people have to make a living, Larry, we understand that and they should charge for their services. But only charge for the services if you actually produce something. If there are results, yes, it's worth $700 for a reading -- if it has results.
But Sylvia has so many dissatisfied customers, I have got a cupboard full of tapes sent by Sylvia to the customers who paid the $700 and they say in so many words she was wrong, wrong, wrong all the way down the line.
L. KING: Rosemary?
ALTEA: I agree. I totally - actually I'm amazed. I'm agreeing with Randi. If you don't get it right, if you can't produce, then you absolutely should not charge. And if I feel - and I begin all of my consultations by saying to somebody, if I confuse you in any way, if you are confused, please tell me. I do not want you getting off this phone wondering who on earth you have been doing. Tell me if you think I'm wrong. Tell me if you're confused.
L. KING: We should ...
ALTEA: Sorry?
L. KING: I said it should also be mentioned that Shawn Hornbeck's parents continued the search, continued looking for him and continued the quest. They did not just accept the fact that he was gone.
ALTEA: Thank goodness.
RANDI: And Larry, she sent the police to all kinds of places, too, and the police wasted their good time where they could have found the kid and could have done something useful. The police wasted their time.
ALTEA: I'm not sure about that, Larry. Because I think the law enforcement has got a little bit more common sense than to listen to things that they are really not sure about. Unless ...
RANDI: They listen to psychics ...
ALTEA: Unless a spiritual medium is giving evidence and that is the thing, giving evidence. And I think it's worth saying here, Larry, and this may sound a little harsh, what I'm going to say, but I think it's worth saying here people have to be more responsible. You can not go giving your power away to people like me. People see me on a TV show, they see Sylvia Browne on a TV show and they think they know us but they do not know us. We are strangers to them. And you do not go believing it just because we say so.
Wait until we give you that evidence. Wait until we can show you that we really are talking to people who are your family who have passed. Don't give the power away.

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candy

East Lansing, MI

#16 Jan 27, 2007
RANDI: Rosemary, will you take the test?
ALTEA: I'm not even going there, James. We did this before.
RANDI: Why not go there? It's a million dollars, Rosemary. Anyone can use a million dollars. Why won't you take the test?
ALTEA: I recall when Larry asked you where the million dollars was before you could not produce it.
RANDI: I cannot produce it because it was with Goldman Sachs. It's invested.
ALTEA: I will tell you something, James, this program is not about you. This program is about people being duped. It's about ... RANDI: That's right.
ALTEA: You're right. But this program is not about you.
RANDI: It's about people being duped by people like you.
ALTEA: This is about people being duped, and this is about a very rare and a very special gift that has to be defended.
RANDI: Prove it. Prove it and get $1 million. Come on, Rosemary, will you take the test? Yes or no? It's a simple question.

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candy

East Lansing, MI

#17 Jan 27, 2007
ALTEA: You cannot say that because one person makes a mistake, everybody pays.
RANDI: I did not say that.
L. KING: We have to take a break. We will be right back, guys. We're going to take a break.
Both of these things are easily provable. One with DNA. One with a test. We will be back with our remaining moments. Don't go away.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
L. KING: Let's get another call in. Overland Park, Kansas. Hello.
CALLER: Hello, Mr. Randi. This last year I saw Sylvia on "Montel," and she had mentioned that she had taught her children and her grandchildren how to have her power that she has and pass it through your generation. Is it possible that you can pass on this so- called gift, or is she actually teaching the family how to carry on possible fake readings?
RANDI: Well, I would like to be the fly on the wall and find out about that. But believe me, there has never been any evidence that has shown these gifts are genuine. We have offered a million dollars for it. If that isn't a big enough carrot, I don't know what is.
L. KING: You repeated that. What is your taste entail.
RANDI: It all depends what the claim is. Yes, exactly. If you say you can play the violin, you have to play the violin.
Rosemary, why don't you apply, and then we will tell you exactly ...
L. KING: Hold it. Let's set this. Hold it, Rosemary. Don't jump in. What if Rosemary said, I can tell people about themselves by listening to their voice, I can tell them what kind of house they live in, I can tell them how their mother lives, I can tell about them. How can she prove that to you for the million dollars?
RANDI: She doesn't have to prove it to me. She has to prove to an independent authority that she agrees with and I agree with. That's all. All she has to do is do the test, Larry. But she won't do it. Yes or no, Rosemary? Let's hear an answer. Yes or no? Two possibilities.
L. KING: I once interviewed the guy who invented ESP, what was his name at Duke University.
RANDI: Dr. Rhein.
L. KING: A doctor at Duke University. Invented ESP. And he used to do the card test. He would take a deck of cards, look at the cards and the person sitting opposite would tell them what the card was.
RANDI: That's right.
L. KING: He had some people, some people got 48 cards. Most people failed miserably. But he said it was so in its infancy, ESPN was so in its infancy -- ESP so in its infancy but it was a long way from being a science.
RANDI: And that was back in the 1930s.
L. KING: This guy was from Duke University.
RANDI: Joseph Banks Rhein.
L. KING: Rhein. Right. J.B. Rhein. R-H-E-I-N, Dr. Rhein. Rosemary, you think it's a science?
ALTEA: You know, I really don't know what it is. But could I answer the question the lady -- the lady called in?
L. KING: We have one minute.
ALTEA: OK. I have a daughter. My beautiful princess. She is not psychic. I would not dream of teaching anybody to have psychic abilities because I can't. You have a natural ability or you don't.
L. KING: OK -- hold it. I have got to cut you, Rosemary. We will do it soon.
ALTEA: OK.
L. KING: James Randi. Rosemary Altea, thank you.
ALTEA: Thank you so much.

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