The Handwriting Scale
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“Sarah Palin, Go Home!”

Since: Aug 09

Bexley, Ohio

#167 Nov 10, 2009
Henri McPhee wrote:
You canít just say, and jump to conclusions like Mark Fuhrman, that Patsy wrote the ransom note when six of the top experts in America have their doubts that she wrote it. I agree that there are experts who think Patsy wrote it, but itís really only Epstein who would be an anti-Ramsey qualified to give expert evidence handwriting in a murder case.
I don't believe Mark Fuhrman just "jumped to a conclusion."

And where might we read the reports of those experts who concluded that Patsy did NOT write the note?
dac

Leawood, KS

#168 Jul 1, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
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If you notice it states that a 5 point scale "would" look like this IF it was in fact, the one used. How interesting that the 9 point scale is the STANDARD.
Now it makes sense. Patsy probably scored a 4.5 out of the 9 point scale and by the time it got down to whomever was going to present the results, THEY used the 5 point scale. Remember, it was Alex Hunter who bullchitted his way through that discussion, NOT the examiners themselves. On the 9 point STANDARD scale a 4.5 result is quite suspicious indeed
Thanks for clearing that up AK. Now we know how Alex Hunter and the rest of the "dream team" lied.
Patsy wrote that note; there's no denying it. Not only would anyone with a working pair of eyes see it, but the lying about the scale and the rest just prove the point. Yes, Patsy was the one and now inadvertently, AK drove the point home for me
Thanks.
no capricorn there's no evidence for this

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#169 Jul 2, 2013
WOW, you comment on a 4 year old post and give no backup for your comment tic tac dac? Might I suggest reading the article cited?

Capricorn, I think you are being punked!
dac wrote:
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no capricorn there's no evidence for this

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Since: Mar 07

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#170 Jul 3, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
...Capricorn, I think you are being punked!
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LOL, do you really think so? I was thinking that after four years, someone really really wanted a discussion LOLOLOL
whodatninja

Pleasant Hill, CA

#171 Jan 26, 2014
Bumping this thread because post 110 quotes Smit saying that the handwriting experts put identification of ransom note handwriting with Patsy's as "inconclusive or below" (but he gets confused because he thinks the scale is one to five.)

This shows the Carnes decision can't be trusted.
whodatninja

Pleasant Hill, CA

#172 Jan 26, 2014
Here are the verbal assessments of Patsy's likelihood of having written the note by the handwriting experts:

For the police:
Ubowski indications did write
Speckin no conclusion
Alford no conclusion+
Dusick probably did not write

For the Ramseys:
Cunningham no conclusion
Ryle highly probably did not write

Only Ryle thought it was highly probable that Patsy didn't write it. Most of them didn't come to a conclusion, which isn't unusual. Handwriting examiners are more comfortable excluding than including, But not one of them excluded Patsy.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#174 Feb 12, 2014
To say
"Until one can prove it, she is excluded"
is faulty logic.

If it was clear she did not write it, she would have been excluded, but she was not excluded.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#177 Feb 12, 2014
You are just babbling, you have presented NO logic.
Lacy did not have the authority to exonerate the Ramseys, Lacy hasn't even read the evidence, she locked it away in a storage locker.
The Ramseys (the ones that remain) will always be under that ole umbrella - as it should be.
The evidence didn't fail, it was the people like Hunter who failed.
Taylur

Jefferson City, MO

#182 Feb 16, 2014
Anti-K wrote:
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And the evidence is the evidence and the facts are the facts, and the evidence does not identify Mrs Ramsey (or anyone) as the author, and Mrs Ramsey was not the only person who could not be eliminated as the author.
AK
I believe another poster addressed this, but i cant seem to find a reply. So AK who would be the others who were not eliminated as the author?
Just Wondering

Beckley, WV

#183 Feb 17, 2014
It was difficult for the analysts to make a decision because the note was written with a marker. There were many points they could not judge because of the writing implement chosen. Had it been written in pen, perhaps they would have been quicker to pinpoint Patsy as the author--or someone else. But Patsy was not excluded. And like it or not, the GJ was convinced that the Ramseys were responsible in one respect or another for Jonbenet's demise.
Note

UK

#184 Feb 17, 2014
The note is easy to understand.

The note was printed on a easy to find note pad.
The printing was made with a out of production Sharpie marker.
How old, over five years, that's before the Ramsey's move to Boulder.
What is special about these, old but new condition marker is that it was a rear water base marker. Most people that use this water base ink are ARTEST. This ink is save for long lasting art work.

Now that the killer printed in the ransom note that knows how the police will work the case. The marker was place in a orange can below the kitchen phone for the police to check.

Case facts:

Page on and page two was printed with this marker and page three was not. Two markers was used. Check this out for yourself. Page three has a darker ink and wider print thickness.

Test shows us it took the killer thirty minutes to print and place the ransom note on the back steps.

We know a lot about the note.

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“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#186 Feb 17, 2014
Your information is incorrect.

There were three sharpies found in the home, in the same cup holder.

One was identified as writing not only the entire RN but also the practice note. Please quit spreading misinformation.

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Since: Mar 07

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#191 Feb 18, 2014
Legal__Eagle wrote:
Your information is incorrect.
There were three sharpies found in the home, in the same cup holder.
One was identified as writing not only the entire RN but also the practice note. Please quit spreading misinformation.
We know that the sharpie was what wrote the note.

The note is probably one of the most debated pieces of evidence on the planet.

The "experts" would all cancel each other out in court but rest assured, that note, with nothing more than a pair of working eyes, tells everyone that Patsy penned that note IMO and the opinion of so many others, experts or not
real Topaz

AOL

#192 Feb 18, 2014
Capricorn wrote:
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We know that the sharpie was what wrote the note.
The note is probably one of the most debated pieces of evidence on the planet.
The "experts" would all cancel each other out in court but rest assured, that note, with nothing more than a pair of working eyes, tells everyone that Patsy penned that note IMO and the opinion of so many others, experts or not
I'm on the same page with Dr Brugnatelli..his example of JR's printing is identical to the RN. JR was the defendant in a lawsuit w/contractor. Google Fausto Brugnatelli John Ramsey and take a gander, Cap!

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Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#195 Feb 19, 2014
real Topaz wrote:
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I'm on the same page with Dr Brugnatelli..his example of JR's printing is identical to the RN. JR was the defendant in a lawsuit w/contractor. Google Fausto Brugnatelli John Ramsey and take a gander, Cap!
Hi there RT :)

I agree. Handwriting experts can come forward and say whatever they believe and the problem is that the opinions can be varied on every side of the case and eventually they will all cancel each other out.

That said, in THIS case, I believe that if it came to a jury, and the experts showed the samples of Patsy's writing and linguistics to the jury, and they were left to choose the expert that is the most believable, I believe in this case, the jury would in fact believe that Patsy wrote that note

It's one of those sciences, that while not exact, once shown Patsy's writing and style, the jury as with so many people, can never UNsee the sameness once shown. Once you see it, it's convincing
real Topaz

AOL

#196 Feb 19, 2014
Capricorn wrote:
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Hi there RT :)
I agree. Handwriting experts can come forward and say whatever they believe and the problem is that the opinions can be varied on every side of the case and eventually they will all cancel each other out.
That said, in THIS case, I believe that if it came to a jury, and the experts showed the samples of Patsy's writing and linguistics to the jury, and they were left to choose the expert that is the most believable, I believe in this case, the jury would in fact believe that Patsy wrote that note
It's one of those sciences, that while not exact, once shown Patsy's writing and style, the jury as with so many people, can never UNsee the sameness once shown. Once you see it, it's convincing
Hi Cappy:D
Did you get a chance to look at Brugnatelli's exemplar of JR's handwriting (printing)? The one thing that stands out to me is the lack of serifs, which is normal for a guy and matches the rn precisely!. A woman tends to loop lower case 'y' and 'g', etc., and it's a hard habit to break,..there are no slip ups in the rn that give the writer away. Patsy's handwriting and printing IMO don't look a thing like the RN when you compare them to JR's exemplar. Please, look up Fausto Brugnatelli John Ramsey and I believe Websleuths has it, you'll not be disappointed! lol

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