Black Conservatives Speak out on Ille...

Black Conservatives Speak out on Illegal Immigration

There are 4035 comments on the Breitbart.com story from Jun 5, 2013, titled Black Conservatives Speak out on Illegal Immigration. In it, Breitbart.com reports that:

The people pushing Comprehensive Immigration Reform don't want you to hear a diversity of voices on the topic, hoping instead to crush debate as they ram their legislation through Congress.

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#547 Jun 18, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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I said the Black Caucus supported it, I didn't say it was all their fault did I? Knee jerk time again.
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As for illegals, Barack's relatives were here illegally, it wouldn't look good allowing them to stay and send everyone else back.
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Since the largest group of illegals come from south of the Rio Grande, there is simply no way you are not going to offend some Hispanics.
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When they want something, they'll play the race game and when something goes against them, they cry racism.
If the creek doesn't rise, it's Obama's fault. If the sun doesn't shine, it's Obama's fault, lol. Obama is not responsible for what his relatives do or don't do. He was raised by his mother's family, not his fathers. Mexicans aren't the only ones here illegally. Lots of people from other countries are here on work visas or visitors visa and have over-stayed. It's the immigration department's job to track these people and deport them, Obama's relative included if they're here illegally.

I think the reason you dislike Obama so intensenly doesn't have anything to do with his race but with his lack of experience (neighborhood organizer) as you all are fond to say (disregarding his time in the senate, lol) Whatever. It's the popularity of him that galls you all. It's his status as messiah or pop star that boils your blood. The world has never seen a president or any world leader be so widely celebrated as Obama was after his 2008 election. Kennedy wasn't as warmly received in Europe as Obama was and this galls people like you. Once in a great while, history sends a charismatic leader who enthralls people and this is what makes you all hate him so much. It is a love or hate thing with him. The way your party and pundits have gone about trying to make him fail, and demean and insult him has backfired on you all and only makes him that much more popular. It's your party and people who look bad, not him. You all look like a bunch of obstinate, spiteful, nasty sore losers and that helps him, lol.

To be fair, I don't like any of your candidates with the exception of Christie and McCain. These men have their own charteristics that make people listen to them. Christie is the polar opposite of Obama but one can help but admire how he's willing to go up against the opposition, he his own, as they malign him to stand up for what he believes. You all could learn something from him as only he and those like him can save your unpopular party.

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#548 Jun 18, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Ron Paul is crazy.
And a closet racist! He also thinks Iran should have nuclear weapons because we have no right to intefere with the soverntity(sp) of another nation, lol. Imagine that! LOL

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#549 Jun 18, 2013
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I agree, and yet we have to remember that MANY of the American wealthy have the same values and the same casual contempt for their "inferiors."
Yes, I know, lol. These are the people manipulating those on the right who continually vote against their own self interest (based on race, lol) thinking these people are for them when they're not! They've never stopped to think why are this money (we're supposedly on the brink of being broke) is being spent on advertisments and smear campaigns against Obama to push forward their plans for serfdom and servitude for the American people.

smdh

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#550 Jun 18, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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Yes. Their goal is to eliminate the gains of the labor movements in Europe and USA. They want us back as serfs, desperate poor, working cheaply, with no middle class and a small all-powerful elite. This is the 3rd world social pattern. Democracy does not function in such a society.
They keep us divided as a distraction from this, of course. They want to screw white workers, black workers, Mexican workers, ALL of us, but meanwhile they've got those 3 groups all fighting and suspicious of each other...
The recent collapse of that factory (sweatshop) in Bangladesh revealed clearly what is going on. THAT is how they want ALL workers! Forget safety, decent wages, human rights... all that matters is PROFIT!
There are farmworkers in the USA living in boxes, in ditches. That is how they want it.
Ironically it was mostly whites who fought the labor battles, they were the ones who created Unions, who caused a strong middle class to evolve. And now they are told by Rush, et al, that somehow they should now oppose all that, because somehow it's involved with blacks!!! and Mexicans!!! and Communism!!! And the dumbass whites buy into it and vote Republican. Un-f'ing-believable.
You're fighting this battle alone because the posters on this thread are stuck on deporting Mexican illegals. Some of it's racist and the other is fear (of Hispanics outnumbering blacks and whites thereby giving them voting power and control.) The other of course is jobs. However that's specious as they mostly take jobs Americans don't want. What Americans want to pick fruit, veggies and cotton?

How about the 7-Eleven story? lol. The corporation claims not to know about these franchises employing (or enslaving) paki illegals to work for peanuts and be in virtural slavery or face fears of deportation. To be fair these franchises are owned by mostly people from India. However, it's so wide-spread and has went on so long, there's no way the top executives couldn't have known about this practice. These people were using idenities of dead people, babies, etc. Of course we all know "what"people are maning these corporations, lol. Sweep it under the rug like they do all their misdeeds. No wonder average Americans couldn't get a job clerking at a lowely 7-Eleven, lol. This is all over the country! The hypocrisy is not to be believed!

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#551 Jun 18, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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So ethnic slurs amuse you, boy?
You're an arrogant punk. You make your racist assertion then claim you're just amusing yourself.
No, it's not amusing, boy. You are a sociopath. Your attitudes are anti-social.
You need to be put in check. Let's do lunch.
LOL! Arrogant, yes, racist (haven't made up my mind yet) Most certainly thinks he has the answers (holy grail, perhaps?) lol. Admit it, it's fun going back and forth with him, isn't it? He's hard to rattle. I know, I've tried. I think you might have a little more success. I'll read this thread with interest. It's been awhile. Where's Bozino with all this action going on and Savant, lol.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

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#552 Jun 18, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>If the creek doesn't rise, it's Obama's fault. If the sun doesn't shine, it's Obama's fault, lol. Obama is not responsible for what his relatives do or don't do. He was raised by his mother's family, not his fathers. Mexicans aren't the only ones here illegally. Lots of people from other countries are here on work visas or visitors visa and have over-stayed. It's the immigration department's job to track these people and deport them, Obama's relative included if they're here illegally.
I think the reason you dislike Obama so intensenly doesn't have anything to do with his race but with his lack of experience (neighborhood organizer) as you all are fond to say (disregarding his time in the senate, lol) Whatever. It's the popularity of him that galls you all. It's his status as messiah or pop star that boils your blood. The world has never seen a president or any world leader be so widely celebrated as Obama was after his 2008 election. Kennedy wasn't as warmly received in Europe as Obama was and this galls people like you. Once in a great while, history sends a charismatic leader who enthralls people and this is what makes you all hate him so much. It is a love or hate thing with him. The way your party and pundits have gone about trying to make him fail, and demean and insult him has backfired on you all and only makes him that much more popular. It's your party and people who look bad, not him. You all look like a bunch of obstinate, spiteful, nasty sore losers and that helps him, lol.
To be fair, I don't like any of your candidates with the exception of Christie and McCain. These men have their own charteristics that make people listen to them. Christie is the polar opposite of Obama but one can help but admire how he's willing to go up against the opposition, he his own, as they malign him to stand up for what he believes. You all could learn something from him as only he and those like him can save your unpopular party.
Actually, according to Obama, it would be Bush's fault.
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Allentown, PA

#553 Jun 18, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>If the creek doesn't rise, it's Obama's fault. If the sun doesn't shine, it's Obama's fault, lol. Obama is not responsible for what his relatives do or don't do. He was raised by his mother's family, not his fathers. Mexicans aren't the only ones here illegally. Lots of people from other countries are here on work visas or visitors visa and have over-stayed. It's the immigration department's job to track these people and deport them, Obama's relative included if they're here illegally.
I think the reason you dislike Obama so intensenly doesn't have anything to do with his race but with his lack of experience (neighborhood organizer) as you all are fond to say (disregarding his time in the senate, lol) Whatever. It's the popularity of him that galls you all. It's his status as messiah or pop star that boils your blood. The world has never seen a president or any world leader be so widely celebrated as Obama was after his 2008 election. Kennedy wasn't as warmly received in Europe as Obama was and this galls people like you. Once in a great while, history sends a charismatic leader who enthralls people and this is what makes you all hate him so much. It is a love or hate thing with him. The way your party and pundits have gone about trying to make him fail, and demean and insult him has backfired on you all and only makes him that much more popular. It's your party and people who look bad, not him. You all look like a bunch of obstinate, spiteful, nasty sore losers and that helps him, lol.
To be fair, I don't like any of your candidates with the exception of Christie and McCain. These men have their own charteristics that make people listen to them. Christie is the polar opposite of Obama but one can help but admire how he's willing to go up against the opposition, he his own, as they malign him to stand up for what he believes. You all could learn something from him as only he and those like him can save your unpopular party.
1) Obama's mother's family- midwest Progressives can be the worst of all kinds. He had a kook for a mother and dead beat for a dad. Not a great start in life. It appears his grandmother was bitter because her career never advanced as far as she hoped.
2) I tend to use Mexican as a catch all for illegals.
3) I dislike Obama for a variety of reasons but the thing that bothers me the most is his shallowness. I have explained all this and I know you have read several of my posts. There seems to be no "there" there with him, he seems to be a man going through the motions. Others (even his supporters) have labeled it "his cool detachment", I think at his core is nothing. When he said God bless Planned Parenthood, it showed how shallow he is. The Bible clearly states the "sin" of harming children. Words really do not mean much to Barack, outside of them getting him elected.
4) Now you like McCain and Christie? Only because they like to be "mavericks". Both are good in one sense, they show the Republicans are not like the lock step Democrats. You know how Democrats hate diversity :) I liked Christie more when he first started breaking into national news, now I could still vote for him if he ran for President. Paul the younger is interesting as is Rubio.
5) In the end, it's not a love feast that helps the future of the country, it's the dollars and sense. Save the warm glow for after you finish having sex.
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#554 Jun 18, 2013
It is bizarre that our own Court would vote to destroy the integrity of the voting process?
Are they being blackmailed? Does Holder have something on them which forced them to Vote against basic common sense?

Sinajuavi
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#555 Jun 18, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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People who skirt the immigration system are here illegally. There is no disputing that, it's law.
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When you can not grasp or acknowledge that simple fact or try to twist it around, your other arguments should be seen as pretty suspect or just plain ole propaganda.
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But you just did make my point on how people like you have to twist language to make your point.
Lying piece of connedservative traitorous dung.

They're illegal, duh, that is the reason for the debate, fool. The question is, do we blame them or those who engineered the system to use their cheap labor on this side of the border?

You apparently are too simple-minded to discuss that. All you can do is repeat like a parrot,“They're illegal, they're illegal, they're illegal...”

You're a typical millenial dumbed-down Yank.

Sinajuavi
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#556 Jun 18, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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1) Obama's mother's family- midwest Progressives can be the worst of all kinds. He had a kook for a mother and dead beat for a dad. Not a great start in life. It appears his grandmother was bitter because her career never advanced as far as she hoped.
2) I tend to use Mexican as a catch all for illegals.
3) I dislike Obama for a variety of reasons but the thing that bothers me the most is his shallowness. I have explained all this and I know you have read several of my posts. There seems to be no "there" there with him, he seems to be a man going through the motions. Others (even his supporters) have labeled it "his cool detachment", I think at his core is nothing. When he said God bless Planned Parenthood, it showed how shallow he is. The Bible clearly states the "sin" of harming children. Words really do not mean much to Barack, outside of them getting him elected.
4) Now you like McCain and Christie? Only because they like to be "mavericks". Both are good in one sense, they show the Republicans are not like the lock step Democrats. You know how Democrats hate diversity :) I liked Christie more when he first started breaking into national news, now I could still vote for him if he ran for President. Paul the younger is interesting as is Rubio.
5) In the end, it's not a love feast that helps the future of the country, it's the dollars and sense. Save the warm glow for after you finish having sex.
F you, boy. I'm tired of you connedservative traitors calling names at Democrats/liberals/progressive s simply because we don't want the country given away to corporate power.

LOL at the desperate rhetoric of you quasi-fascists. Republicans are in lockstep. That is why when those very few who have any differences speak out, the rest of the Party has a fit. Republicans really do act like fascists.

Collusion of corporate (capitalist) power with government = fascism. Get a grip, boy.

You are the enemy of the USA people, you vile piece of racist lowlife.

Sinajuavi
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#557 Jun 18, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>You're fighting this battle alone because the posters on this thread are stuck on deporting Mexican illegals. Some of it's racist and the other is fear (of Hispanics outnumbering blacks and whites thereby giving them voting power and control.) The other of course is jobs. However that's specious as they mostly take jobs Americans don't want. What Americans want to pick fruit, veggies and cotton?
How about the 7-Eleven story? lol. The corporation claims not to know about these franchises employing (or enslaving) paki illegals to work for peanuts and be in virtural slavery or face fears of deportation. To be fair these franchises are owned by mostly people from India. However, it's so wide-spread and has went on so long, there's no way the top executives couldn't have known about this practice. These people were using idenities of dead people, babies, etc. Of course we all know "what"people are maning these corporations, lol. Sweep it under the rug like they do all their misdeeds. No wonder average Americans couldn't get a job clerking at a lowely 7-Eleven, lol. This is all over the country! The hypocrisy is not to be believed!
Walmart was caught using Eastern European illegal immigrant workers, and similarly abusing them.

Yes, it's widespread, but notice these racists won't go off on Russia or Pakistan... they don't fear them. It's Mexico they fear.

This is manifest in many ways in this culture. Hollywood nearly always casts whites or Puerto Ricans or Spaniards as Mexicans. Gringos have a list of excuses to explain how their theft of Mexican territory really wasn't theft, there weren't any Mexicans there, etc. Another of their rationales is to claim that Mexicans have no connection to Native Americans, no, they're just “bastard Spanish”. Spanish-language TV networks in the USA are all run by Cubans... a small minority of “Hispanics” in the USA, to keep the Mexican culture at bay.

Yep, something like 110 million people in Mexico, plus another 30 million or so here...This causes great trepidation to the gringos... white and black alike, sadly.

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#558 Jun 18, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
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Ron Paul is crazy.
Compared to whom?

Ron Paul is the only candidate of either Party who addressed the negative effect of the “War on Drugs” on the black community. He also addressed the problem of the USA Empire maintaining so many overseas bases.

I agree with some of his positions, not all. He is not pro-Union, and I am very pro-Union.

The charges of racism against Paul were bogus and generated by the GOP to trash him in the primary.

But he isn't crazy.

The current Republican majority in the House... those mofos are crazy!

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#559 Jun 18, 2013
TombStoned wrote:
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Sorry, but just because Spain waved her wand over the entire southwest does not mean she ever owned it. Their were already others here, like the Tohono O'odham, Apache, Comanche, Navajo, Utes, ETC... plus all the California Tribes who the Spanish and Mexicans slaughtered.
Ever heard of them???
Mexicans are indigenous to Central and Southern Mexico and Hispania in Europe.
Azteca Empire:
http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/map16-az.html
Hispania:
http://explorethemed.com/iberiarome.asp
Both the Spanish and the Mexicans after them tried and failed to conquer the American Tribes and failed except for a number of places in California.
The rest of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona were not inhabited by Mexicans by and large because the Comanche and Apache would not allow the Spanish or the Mexicans to do so.
Face it, the U.S. Cavalry did what the Spanish and the Mexicans could never do. The U.S. Cavalry subdued the Comanche and the Apache and settled the southwest as we have it today.
And of course we know all about the Mexican War 1846-1848.
You want a debate?
You will lose Mijo.
You need a history lesson, boy.

First you attempt to delegitimize Mexico by talking about the Spanish! Mexico is not Spain, moron.

Mexicans are indigenous to much of the continent, many of them having ancestors among peoples who lived in the USA or on both sides of the border (e.g., Yaquí).

NM had many Spanish and Mexicans in it, liar. The Spanish did effectively defeat the Puebloans.i

The Mexican War? Based on a lie. Pure land theft. An effort to extend slave territory westward. Despicable in so many ways.
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#560 Jun 18, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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Lying piece of connedservative traitorous dung.
They're illegal, duh, that is the reason for the debate, fool. The question is, do we blame them or those who engineered the system to use their cheap labor on this side of the border?
You apparently are too simple-minded to discuss that. All you can do is repeat like a parrot,“They're illegal, they're illegal, they're illegal...”
You're a typical millenial dumbed-down Yank.
As long as you continue to use Orwellian language, I'll continue to remind you of reality.
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#561 Jun 18, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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1) F you, boy. I'm tired of you connedservative traitors calling names at Democrats/liberals/progressive s simply because we don't want the country given away to corporate power.
LOL at the desperate rhetoric of you quasi-fascists. Republicans are in lockstep. That is why when those very few who have any differences speak out, the rest of the Party has a fit. Republicans really do act like fascists.
2) Collusion of corporate (capitalist) power with government = fascism. Get a grip, boy.
You are the enemy of the USA people, you vile piece of racist lowlife.
1) You guys make it too easy to do.
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2) Democrats have their pet corporations, it's a snow job saying that they don't. Not like Democrats every really question it or even care to question it. Always remember, it was a Progressive that coined the phrase "Tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth".
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3) Corporations have their place and not every problem is due to a corporation. WalMart did not become huge because Sam Walton pointed a gun to women's heads saying, buy my panties on sale 2 for $.99 or else. Customers helped make these corporations big. Left wing economists never seem to like pointing that out, it's always someone else's fault, someone is always the victim... again.

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#562 Jun 18, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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As long as you continue to use Orwellian language, I'll continue to remind you of reality.
As long as you fail to address any of the issues raised, you will continue to be seen as a reactionary bigoted misfit.

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#563 Jun 18, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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1) You guys make it too easy to do.
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2) Democrats have their pet corporations, it's a snow job saying that they don't. Not like Democrats every really question it or even care to question it. Always remember, it was a Progressive that coined the phrase "Tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth".
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3) Corporations have their place and not every problem is due to a corporation. WalMart did not become huge because Sam Walton pointed a gun to women's heads saying, buy my panties on sale 2 for $.99 or else. Customers helped make these corporations big. Left wing economists never seem to like pointing that out, it's always someone else's fault, someone is always the victim... again.
You ignore the marketing strategy. Walmart carries the high-volume items, those which are necessary for the local small store's survival. But not the specialty items. The result is the small store goes out of business, and the array of consumer goods available continues to shrink.

Walmart is non-Union. Taxpayers pick up the tab for the medical care of Walmart employees, when they end up in the emergency room.

This corporate takeover of nearly everything has NOT been good for the country.

JEFFERSON said a free people were a nation of smallholders. Corporations are not smallholders.

Lose the Republikkklan party's corporate brainwash.
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#564 Jun 18, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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You ignore the marketing strategy. Walmart carries the high-volume items, those which are necessary for the local small store's survival. But not the specialty items. The result is the small store goes out of business, and the array of consumer goods available continues to shrink.
Walmart is non-Union. Taxpayers pick up the tab for the medical care of Walmart employees, when they end up in the emergency room.
This corporate takeover of nearly everything has NOT been good for the country.
JEFFERSON said a free people were a nation of smallholders. Corporations are not smallholders.
Lose the Republikkklan party's corporate brainwash.
I have been involved in business for a good part of my life. I do not read about it, I live it.
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The mere fact you try to paint everything Republican destroys your credibility just as "You didn't build it" further destroyed Obama's. I see things you street corner liberators can't.
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I am well aware of the WalMart effect but no matter how much you try to blame them, WalMart was made by their customers, just as Ford Motor was made by theirs.
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If Americans understood economics, things would be different. Americans do not care so things happen as they do. The price of free choice.
Ramapithecus Estupidicus

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#565 Jun 18, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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You need a history lesson, boy.
First you attempt to delegitimize Mexico by talking about the Spanish! Mexico is not Spain, moron.
Mexicans are indigenous to much of the continent, many of them having ancestors among peoples who lived in the USA or on both sides of the border (e.g., Yaquí).
NM had many Spanish and Mexicans in it, liar. The Spanish did effectively defeat the Puebloans.i
The Mexican War? Based on a lie. Pure land theft. An effort to extend slave territory westward. Despicable in so many ways.
Now yu iz spoilin da party wif troof.

Numbsayin?

Sinajuavi
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#566 Jun 18, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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I have been involved in business for a good part of my life. I do not read about it, I live it.
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The mere fact you try to paint everything Republican destroys your credibility just as "You didn't build it" further destroyed Obama's. I see things you street corner liberators can't.
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I am well aware of the WalMart effect but no matter how much you try to blame them, WalMart was made by their customers, just as Ford Motor was made by theirs.
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If Americans understood economics, things would be different. Americans do not care so things happen as they do. The price of free choice.
Your post is full of so much rhetoric with so little relevance to the reality of what I'm saying or what I do that it does not merit much response. Do you get your rhetoric from Rush or O'Reilly? Same BS, essentially, though in some respects you go out further over the edge,à la Glen Beck.

No, corporations are not made by the customers. The guiding decisions come from the Board. The CEO is not there simply to read customer polls. Corporations have their own active social agendas which they pursue diligently and in concert.

You are naive if you believe this ridiculous model of a simple supply-and-demand function. The economy of any country is affected and structured by the actions of the state, and in the USA corporations spend billions influencing (buying) politicians as well as influencing public opinion. You'll say,“but some corporations donate to Democrats.” Yeah, so what? My point stands. And that is why the Democratic Party of today is 99.4% spineless and sold-out.

You act like the Walmart syndrome is a result of natural law. No, it is not. It is the result of a particular economic structure, affected mostly by corporate and government policy. When those 2 forces act in collusion, it's called fascism.

JEFFERSON said that the greatest danger to democracy and freedom came from the urban rich. That in today's terms = corporations. I repeat that he also said a free people is a nation of smallholders. THAT concept is anathema to corporate power.

I want local eateries in every town, local people making money, spending it locally, prospering without dependence on corporations. NOT the same food franchises in EVERY town: Booger King, Crap in a Crock, Kentucky Fried Rodents, Crapdonalds, etc.

I want family farms (of multiple ethnicities) producing the country's food, not mega-ultra-agribiz with all their chemicals, GMO's and other shady business.

Yes, we need corporations for some things. To mass-produce soybeans and corn, perhaps. To make jet airliners. To do the R & D on cybertechnology. But to flip burgers? To grow lettuce? To run shops? No.

Lose the stereotypes. I'm not a Marxist per se, nor a typical Democrat. I'm anarchist, Jeffersonian, nativist, etc. Local Economy Autonomy!

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