Black Conservatives Speak out on Illegal Immigration

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The people pushing Comprehensive Immigration Reform don't want you to hear a diversity of voices on the topic, hoping instead to crush debate as they ram their legislation through Congress.

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Stag_R_Lee

Scottsdale, AZ

#440 Jun 16, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>It's impossible for you to be insulted. I found that out very quickly, lol.
You were right in a previous post. I do apologize. I also appreciated the civil way you handled the issue.

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#441 Jun 16, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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I think this AA reaction was overblown... like they were desperate that they be white so they could add them to the list, like it's a contest.
My interest was not in defending white people, but in not letting Islam off the hook.
Sorry if we got into it over the wrong issue. I think I felt you'd gotten too bigoted on the whites, but of course as usual I have to admit that I on occasion have made a few comments regarding that particular ethnic group...
I think we were both heated up over that issue, you for the reasons you state, me over Islam and very frustrated that everyone wanted to make these Chechens out to be suburban white boys from the USA when in fact they were jihadis. Perhaps a bit trigger-happy.
This matter of terrorists as well as the mass shooters (who are indeed mostly white) is interesting and even ironic. If those Chechens had been labeled “Arabs” or especially “Palestinians”, they'd have passed easily, and everyone would have denied that they were white. But everyone heard “Russia” and so that meant “white”. Chechens were once quite Aryan but apparently are now mostly of Mideastern (“Arab”) ancestry.
Yes, anyway we should get back to reaming racists.
Sounds good to me because I've missed you and missed posting with you. We haven't had it out that bad since the Hindu (rat) flap, LOL!

You are correct in your assessment of what occurred on that thread.

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#442 Jun 16, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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I think this AA reaction was overblown... like they were desperate that they be white so they could add them to the list, like it's a contest.
My interest was not in defending white people, but in not letting Islam off the hook.
Sorry if we got into it over the wrong issue. I think I felt you'd gotten too bigoted on the whites, but of course as usual I have to admit that I on occasion have made a few comments regarding that particular ethnic group...
I think we were both heated up over that issue, you for the reasons you state, me over Islam and very frustrated that everyone wanted to make these Chechens out to be suburban white boys from the USA when in fact they were jihadis. Perhaps a bit trigger-happy.
This matter of terrorists as well as the mass shooters (who are indeed mostly white) is interesting and even ironic. If those Chechens had been labeled “Arabs” or especially “Palestinians”, they'd have passed easily, and everyone would have denied that they were white. But everyone heard “Russia” and so that meant “white”. Chechens were once quite Aryan but apparently are now mostly of Mideastern (“Arab”) ancestry.
Yes, anyway we should get back to reaming racists.
What's really messed up about the whole thing (besides the horror, pain and deaths of innocent people) is that these jerks came from a country where they're being treated horribly and that's why they were allowed to seek aslyum in this country. They got onto fanatical muslim sites and got "souped" up (most likely by the Arab militants) and tried to gain some brownie points. How stupid is that? They were used and now those Chechens who are being mistreated and would love to escape Putin are plucked because of what these jerks did. They were used and brainwashed just like the suicide bombers are. The shame is the elder brother wasn't too smart and had nothing going for him and not enough love for his younger brother (who seemed to have promise) to let him live a decent life.....

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#443 Jun 16, 2013
Stag_R_Lee wrote:
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You were right in a previous post. I do apologize. I also appreciated the civil way you handled the issue.
Why thank you. You were very civilized in your responses as well. Perhaps we just got our wires crossed.

:)

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#444 Jun 16, 2013
Harrisson wrote:
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He's what some academics call a member of the "Third World Elite." Third World Elites are more interested in living in a small island of immense privilege and wealth, than they are in developing and modernizing their society as a whole.
I know it's a trite and unreasonable thing to say in today's world, but how could someone live like that and know others are starving, living in hovels, dying and being without. It really makes me phyically ill. It's such an evil way to be.

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#445 Jun 16, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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How dense are you? I have stated repeatedly that the Mexican government is in cahoots with the USA govt and with corporations to screw the Mexican people. This is common knowledge in the context of Mexican politics, about which you know nothing.
President López Portillo left office one of the richest men in the world. Do the math. Or rather do the structural analysis. The Mexican people are screwed by this arrangement, and I'll repeat, there are 3 parties:
Mexican govt
USA govt
corporations (mostly gringo)
Wow these same people are screwing USA workers also!
Why don't you dimwits think about it and get a clue about who is running things and who is responsible for the mess?
Hint: It's not the guy who crawled through the fence to get a job with a leafblower.
Did not I ask you not to blow a gasket? I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS MAN and I made this clear. You and Harrison are enlightening me! Calm the hell down and just post what info you have.

Damn and they talk about menopausal women!
Dan Salazar

AOL

#446 Jun 16, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
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Do remember it is Obama that is insuring they get special treatment.
So what? No one expected Obama to defend Americans against those who ignore American Law. We elected him knowing he would be a destructive force determined to bring America down by any means necessary.

Don't blame him. Blame the losers who stayed home last Nov rather than Voting to Stop Him.

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#447 Jun 16, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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How dense are you? I have stated repeatedly that the Mexican government is in cahoots with the USA govt and with corporations to screw the Mexican people. This is common knowledge in the context of Mexican politics, about which you know nothing.
President López Portillo left office one of the richest men in the world. Do the math. Or rather do the structural analysis. The Mexican people are screwed by this arrangement, and I'll repeat, there are 3 parties:
Mexican govt
USA govt
corporations (mostly gringo)
Wow these same people are screwing USA workers also!
Why don't you dimwits think about it and get a clue about who is running things and who is responsible for the mess?
Hint: It's not the guy who crawled through the fence to get a job with a leafblower.
Most Americans aren't aware of this. I knew about the corporations moving over there to take advantage of the cheap labor, I knew about the drug corporation and political corporation but I didn't know about this MAN! And now you're telling me about the president??? Wow.....Another thing, I saw a newcast with a respected reporter looking shocked because he didn't understand why other news outlets, papers, etc., weren't reporting on President Bushs' last official act as president which was to end the borders between the US, Mexico and Canada. Now it all makes sense. Americans really have to start paying attention or we're royally screwed. They're keeping us occuppied with race, political battles, idealogy, etc., while they're raping us up the butthole without vaseline!

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#448 Jun 16, 2013
I meant "corruption" instead of corporation.

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#449 Jun 16, 2013
Stag_R_Lee wrote:
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As I said, they are low life thugs. They don't even know Jewish history, yet they want folks to view their propaganda as credible.
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Yes, thugs who use the term anti-Semitism as a rhetorical club to attack folks who don't agree with them. Above, in Sinajuavi's post we see an excellent example.
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I've shown in the past that there are Jews who oppose the Israeli government's treatment of Palestinians--even brought examples to the board. The thugs skip over that fact. I've shown that Goldstone, a prominent Jew, raised questions about war crimes committed against Palestinians by Israel. The thugs skipped over that fact. I've also shown that Israel, as far back as 1947-48 accepted the UN designation of a Palestinian territory and according to the history,(Truman was U.S.President at the time.) Jews even promoted the concept. That particular fact doesn't make a dent in the arid brains of Sinajuavi and/or his fellow thugs. Al Husseini was an Arab, not a NAZI. He didn't even qualify for the so called "master race." He may have been an ally to WWII Germany, but Arab alliances during WWII is a very, very complex issue. Al Husseini's crime was no greater than that of Gertrude Stein, a wealthy and well known leader in the Jewish community. She supported Hitler's nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Seems to me, if thugs have a complaint about Hitler's supporters, they would start with members in the their own community and not pester folks posting in an African American forum.(Of course Standing up and defending their "beliefs" is not how they operate.) The same view about starting in one's own community should apply to folks who ask that Palestinians get treated fairly. Many, many Jews object to the despicable way Palestinians are treated. President Carter wrote a book lamenting the issue and speaking for the Palestinians.(Of course, Jimmy Carter was not a thug. He was a naval officer who would have sacrificed his life for our country.)
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Believe it or not, Blacks have their own problems. The last thing we need is a bunch of lies told by mentally deficient thugs.
This post is very well written and engrossing. You laid out your info very well, I must say.
Nat King Troll

Waynesboro, MS

#450 Jun 16, 2013
Jimmy Carter's book is child's play. The entire "State of Israel is ILLEGAL" and a "LIVING LIE". Sephardims(Sepharvaim 2Kings 17:24/ Pharisees of New Testament / Babylonia origin / Ancient Iraq) and AshkeNAZI jews are "IMPOSTERS". If an "Anti-Zionist" doesn't mention the "Balfour Declaration of 1917", they're either ignorant to the fact or "they're a Zionist shill".
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Allentown, PA

#451 Jun 16, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>No, we did't. The comments about shooting Hillary in the vjay and punching people who voted for Obama in the face are relatively new (with more vile comments to come, I am sure). However, you are correct in the substance and neither you or me are budging from our original positions. I just can't understand how someone of your intelligence can align yourself with people who make such comments and not be ashamed or distrubed.
I may agree with certain political view points but no where have you ever seen me encourage bad behavior or violence against someone.
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My comments on sleazy were in regard to standards set by ***Barack Obama*** himself.
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Allentown, PA

#452 Jun 16, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>That's true, but what does your statement about black victimization fit into the equation? Perhaps you think we're more prone to feel sorry for the immigrants based on our treatement in the US? We're not tied together when it comes to beliefs, or povs, no more than whites are and it's insulting when you try to group us all together, tell us what we think or what we should think on the one hand, while insulting and slapping us in the face on the other.
I've always believed that whites are the beneficiaries of illegal immgrants from Mexico. Who's hiring them? Not many blacks, that's for sure. Some whites talk out of two-sides of their faces. Landscapping companies, factories, construction companies, etc., benefit from their cheap labor and no worries about health benefits, pensions, taxes, etc. So to me it would sem that those who are creating the problems (whites enriching themselves from this cheap labor) are the problem because "THEY" hire these people. Why haven't you addressed this? It's so hypocritical of you people. If there weren't any jobs, they wouldn't come! The taxpayers are the ones who pay for their health care and education while hypocritical mostly white employers reap the benefits of these immigrants coming to this country illegally.
Why can't you people ever be honest????
The irony is lost on you. You have many white Republicans that want to reform immigration, reduce the flow and if possible send some of the illegals back. This can be a benefit to black Americans, including poorly educated ones that might be doing some of the jobs illegals do now.
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Who is fighting the Republicans? Well, Black Democrats. Why, because expecting illegals to follow the law is well, racist.
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Can we say Blacks are shooting themselves in the foot?
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The ultimate irony might be with the continued slow growth of the economy, there could be more government benefit cut backs, more so if the Democrats get their way and give the illegals benefits. This action will most certainly affect Blacks.

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#453 Jun 16, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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I may agree with certain political view points but no where have you ever seen me encourage bad behavior or violence against someone.
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My comments on sleazy were in regard to standards set by ***Barack Obama*** himself.
What standards are those? Care to elaborate? No, I've never seen you encourage bad behavior or violence, nor blatant racial slurs. However, I've never seen you oppose them or speak out against them either. Therein lies the problem with the Republican party. You can hardly throw arrows and spears at libs but fail to put your own in check. Especially when they make abhorent comments. I know you're too classy and intelligent for that type of behavior or comments but you'd all get more respect if some of you spoke out against it and you all don't, is my point.
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Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#454 Jun 16, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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You're a brainwashed connedservative.
When they're working cheap, they're contributing and NOT being paid for it.
In fact the debt is dropping. The economy is stable and growing. The concern now is that the weak economy in Europe and China will drag the USA economy down.
It is a fact that a legal worker can get better pay, can pay more taxes, can contribute even more.
As it is, any illegal immigrant is doing more for this country than your reactionary bigoted ass is doing. You're a detriment to the USA. GET OUT!
You really need to read more credible financial journals.
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The debt is not dropping enough, current economic growth is a slow economic death and even the Democrats in their Senate budget admitted they can not get a handle on the federal deficit. I am sure you had seen that with all the heavy media coverage it got.
Yea, I know, Obama friendly media buried that story... fast.
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What you have missed Jed Clampett is legalization or no, you have a flooded labor market. You have stabbed AMERICANS in the back to satisfy your urge to make the little brown people your pets. Wages will remain stagnant.
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By the way, why should Mexicans be let in front of the line at the expense of other groups? What makes these people so special?
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Oh,are you working on the Love you long time in hillbilly?
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Allentown, PA

#455 Jun 16, 2013
Sinajuavi wrote:
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Deal with the question, dumbass.
Is what happened to Allentown to be blamed on the people living in Allentown? No outside power was involved? Get it, dimwit?
You should not discuss matters about which you know nothing, boy.
You really need to stop hittin' the little brown jug before you get on here.

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#456 Jun 16, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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The irony is lost on you. You have many white Republicans that want to reform immigration, reduce the flow and if possible send some of the illegals back. This can be a benefit to black Americans, including poorly educated ones that might be doing some of the jobs illegals do now.
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Who is fighting the Republicans? Well, Black Democrats. Why, because expecting illegals to follow the law is well, racist.
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Can we say Blacks are shooting themselves in the foot?
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The ultimate irony might be with the continued slow growth of the economy, there could be more government benefit cut backs, more so if the Democrats get their way and give the illegals benefits. This action will most certainly affect Blacks.
Poor blacks nor whites are going to do those jobs and you know it. Just as there once was a time that whites wouldn't do service industry jobs (i.e. maids, servers, waitresses, etc.). Now I am not saying that there won't be trouble with construction jobs, some factory jobs, etc., that blacks will be fighting for, but they're not going to fight for jobs picking cotton, lettuce, or vegetables.

You're still dodging the point I made that it is whites (most likely Republican too!) who are reaping the benefits of cheap labor from illegal aliens and you know it! Right here in NJ they're brought in by the boat loads and no one bothers them. Not the local police nor immigration because they're here to pick the crops, just like in Florida and other states. They're left alone unless they get drunk and fight or rape someone. Slying speaking about the cut in govt benefits hurting blacks is a sneaky way of saying we need govt help. Need I remind you that blacks are only 13% of the population and could hardly be responsible for the massive govt programs that you guys refer to as handouts. As it stands now, it's whites, because there are more of you than us and don't give me that percentage crap. I am talking in real dollar amount.

The push for immigration is the real fear and expectation that Hispanics will not only outnumber blacks but whites! This is where the immigration hysteria is coming from. Yes, they'll be a drain on all our systems, but what's strange is nothing about all the other immigrant, only Mexicans? What about those bombers? Are the laws going to tightened up on Europeans wanting to immigrate here, or is that not an issue with them taking black people's jobs? lol

Contrary to what you think, most black Americans are for some type of immigration reform, it's just not as pressing as it apparently is for you all now. Kinda reminds me of slavery, as long slaves were working (for free, this time) they were valued. Not so much after Lincoln freed them. It would seem that Mexicans, despite their cheap labor, are becoming too numerous and that's the impetus to stopping the flow now, in my humble opinion.

Yes, I know. You won't agree. When have we ever agreed on anything? lol.

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#457 Jun 16, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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You really need to read more credible financial journals.
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The debt is not dropping enough, current economic growth is a slow economic death and even the Democrats in their Senate budget admitted they can not get a handle on the federal deficit. I am sure you had seen that with all the heavy media coverage it got.
Yea, I know, Obama friendly media buried that story... fast.
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What you have missed Jed Clampett is legalization or no, you have a flooded labor market. You have stabbed AMERICANS in the back to satisfy your urge to make the little brown people your pets. Wages will remain stagnant.
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By the way, why should Mexicans be let in front of the line at the expense of other groups? What makes these people so special?
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Oh,are you working on the Love you long time in hillbilly?
Despite your points, He has made some interesting and valid, provable points. How is it that one of the poorest countries in the world, has the richest man in it? How is it that the former president of Mexico retired a very wealthy man and just how much does our govt (long before Obama) have to do with this? Things just aren't adding up. This man is considered the richest (or one of the richest men) in the world and yet those in his country are risking death and limbs to escape to our country? Something is rotten in Denmark. I know all about the corruption, but how much corporation can there be to make that man so wealthy? His wealth could single-handily change the very structure of Mexico! Obviously he didn't earn it the correct way.

What have you to say about that? And please don't say it isn't an American problem because he has American Companies in his portfolio. It would seem they don't believe in Regan's trickle down economy, lol. Him holding onto his wealth is the same thing rich Americans did here during the depression and it almost brought our nation to its knees.
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Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#458 Jun 16, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>What standards are those? Care to elaborate? No, I've never seen you encourage bad behavior or violence, nor blatant racial slurs. However, I've never seen you oppose them or speak out against them either. Therein lies the problem with the Republican party. You can hardly throw arrows and spears at libs but fail to put your own in check. Especially when they make abhorent comments. I know you're too classy and intelligent for that type of behavior or comments but you'd all get more respect if some of you spoke out against it and you all don't, is my point.
I have learned long ago any response to some types just gratifies their need to be mean and nasty. I occasionally argue with some of these people ONLY if it serves my amusement values.
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Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#459 Jun 16, 2013
Sunobia wrote:
<quoted text>Poor blacks nor whites are going to do those jobs and you know it. Just as there once was a time that whites wouldn't do service industry jobs (i.e. maids, servers, waitresses, etc.). Now I am not saying that there won't be trouble with construction jobs, some factory jobs, etc., that blacks will be fighting for, but they're not going to fight for jobs picking cotton, lettuce, or vegetables.
You're still dodging the point I made that it is whites (most likely Republican too!) who are reaping the benefits of cheap labor from illegal aliens and you know it! Right here in NJ they're brought in by the boat loads and no one bothers them. Not the local police nor immigration because they're here to pick the crops, just like in Florida and other states. They're left alone unless they get drunk and fight or rape someone. Slying speaking about the cut in govt benefits hurting blacks is a sneaky way of saying we need govt help. Need I remind you that blacks are only 13% of the population and could hardly be responsible for the massive govt programs that you guys refer to as handouts. As it stands now, it's whites, because there are more of you than us and don't give me that percentage crap. I am talking in real dollar amount.
The push for immigration is the real fear and expectation that Hispanics will not only outnumber blacks but whites! This is where the immigration hysteria is coming from. Yes, they'll be a drain on all our systems, but what's strange is nothing about all the other immigrant, only Mexicans? What about those bombers? Are the laws going to tightened up on Europeans wanting to immigrate here, or is that not an issue with them taking black people's jobs? lol
Contrary to what you think, most black Americans are for some type of immigration reform, it's just not as pressing as it apparently is for you all now. Kinda reminds me of slavery, as long slaves were working (for free, this time) they were valued. Not so much after Lincoln freed them. It would seem that Mexicans, despite their cheap labor, are becoming too numerous and that's the impetus to stopping the flow now, in my humble opinion.
Yes, I know. You won't agree. When have we ever agreed on anything? lol.
You gave me Black knee jerk response 101. Focus miss, focus.

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