Some say immigration bill is bad deal...

Some say immigration bill is bad deal for the GOP

There are 60 comments on the Boston Herald story from Apr 27, 2013, titled Some say immigration bill is bad deal for the GOP. In it, Boston Herald reports that:

Some feisty Republicans are challenging a claim widely held among GOP leaders that the party must support more liberal immigration laws if it's to be more competitive in presidential elections.

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Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#43 Apr 29, 2013
as you can see from all the racists here supporting the republican party, that their "rebranding" for the 17th time is yet again, not working so well.

Good luck in 2014.
Your Ex

United States

#44 Apr 29, 2013
spud wrote:
It would be a bad idea for the GOP, but idiots like Graham, McCain, Boehner, Hatch, Toomey etc. still think illegal aliens might vote Republican. We could do without Republicans like that.
Maybe they're hoping that having their gardeners, maids, chauffeurs & cooks documented will buy them some cred with their voter base......
Kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#45 Apr 29, 2013
spud wrote:
It would be a bad idea for the GOP, but idiots like Graham, McCain, Boehner, Hatch, Toomey etc. still think illegal aliens might vote Republican. We could do without Republicans like that.
The thing we have to understand about the current state of the GOP is that its "leaders” and their followers are not prone to subtle nuance of thought or expression. What you see is what you get.

“If we’ve got an image problem, we’ll just hire an African American and a Latino American to front for us and we’ll get the black and Latino/Latina American vote.”

“If we’ve alienated most women and minority voters in most districts, we’ll just push legislation to redistrict and to make it difficult for them to vote.”

They have no clue how incredibly distasteful such shenanigans render their image. Lacking insight, they believe they’re being clever and that the end justifies their means.
spud

Bangor, PA

#46 Apr 29, 2013
Kuda wrote:
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The thing we have to understand about the current state of the GOP is that its "leaders” and their followers are not prone to subtle nuance of thought or expression. What you see is what you get.
“If we’ve got an image problem, we’ll just hire an African American and a Latino American to front for us and we’ll get the black and Latino/Latina American vote.”
“If we’ve alienated most women and minority voters in most districts, we’ll just push legislation to redistrict and to make it difficult for them to vote.”
They have no clue how incredibly distasteful such shenanigans render their image. Lacking insight, they believe they’re being clever and that the end justifies their means.
The neocon leadership of the R party is their problem. It's also why they keep nominating unelectable, yes men. The idiots that nominated McCain are the same people that started unnecessary wars, expanded free trade and now they think they should pass this amnesty in order to get more Hispanic votes. They're probably right about picking up more votes though. I think they stand to pick up maybe 10,000 new votes. The Dems will pick up the rest of the 20 million. Neocons are idiots, just like Democrats.
Kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#47 Apr 29, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>The neocon leadership of the R party is their problem. It's also why they keep nominating unelectable, yes men. The idiots that nominated McCain are the same people that started unnecessary wars, expanded free trade and now they think they should pass this amnesty in order to get more Hispanic votes. They're probably right about picking up more votes though. I think they stand to pick up maybe 10,000 new votes. The Dems will pick up the rest of the 20 million. Neocons are idiots, just like Democrats.
Please build your case for Democrats being “idiots” so I can know if I agree or disagree.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#48 Apr 29, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
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I owe everything I have to working my butt off for more than 45 years.
I had to compete to get one of those union jobs and then I paid every freaking month to keep those union jobs. They weren't given out free. BTW, I did very well in non-union jobs too.
I paid for my Social Security for 46 years.
Medicare isn't free. I pay for that too.
The slums in New York City probably receive more tax dollars than the entire state of Alabama considering that New York city's population is twice the state of Alabama.
I chose to retire here because it is far from one of the most corrupt states in the union.
Down here, people use pressure cookers for canning, not bombs.
My point exactly. If you had your way those union jobs would not even exist. Nor would Social Security or Medicare. Be sure to thank the liberals every time you cash a check.

As far as New York goes we receive $0.72 in federal funding for every dollar paid in taxes. That is quite a bit different then the $2.03 that the fiercely independent Alabama receives for every dollar they pay in taxes.

That is the difference between liberals and teabaggers. We do not mind helping out our fellow Americans. We just wish they would stop complaining while they are accepting the handouts.

nym8387

United States

#49 Apr 29, 2013
Kuda wrote:
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Please build your case for Democrats being “idiots” so I can know if I agree or disagree.
I would start with amnesty
spud

Bangor, PA

#50 Apr 29, 2013
Kuda wrote:
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Please build your case for Democrats being “idiots” so I can know if I agree or disagree.
Democrats spend too much, they are unanimous in wanting amnesty, they kill peoples motivation to work by giving welfare compensation that exceeds what the individual could make if he worked, they have turned public unions into a gigantic voting block by bribing them with overcompensation, they generally feel that government is best equipped to run my life and that of my family, 43 Democratic Senators recently voted to agree to follow any gun legislation passed by the UN and the last thing I will say (there's actually much more) is that they have a very unattractive habit of calling conservatives who don't agree with their opinions, racists.
Kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#51 Apr 29, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Democrats spend too much, they are unanimous in wanting amnesty, they kill peoples motivation to work by giving welfare compensation that exceeds what the individual could make if he worked, they have turned public unions into a gigantic voting block by bribing them with overcompensation, they generally feel that government is best equipped to run my life and that of my family, 43 Democratic Senators recently voted to agree to follow any gun legislation passed by the UN and the last thing I will say (there's actually much more) is that they have a very unattractive habit of calling conservatives who don't agree with their opinions, racists.
Yes, then some are idiots. Thanks.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#52 Apr 29, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Democrats spend too much, they are unanimous in wanting amnesty, that exceeds what the individual could make if he worked, they hthey kill peoples motivation to work by giving welfare compensation ave turned public unions into a gigantic voting block by bribing them with overcompensation, they generally feel that government is best equipped to run my life and that of my family, 43 Democratic Senators recently voted to agree to follow any gun legislation passed by the UN and the last thing I will say (there's actually much more) is that they have a very unattractive habit of calling conservatives who don't agree with their opinions, racists.

That pretty much covers the standard FOX talking points, but does not provide any insight.

Just a few comments. The first is that Democrats are "unanimous in wanting amnesty". Since nobody has ever proposed "amnesty" this appears unlikely.

The second would have to do with the "government is best equipped to run your life". What do you call it when the government wants to determine what forms of family planning are acceptable?

Where is it that welfare "exceeds what the individual could make if he worked"? It varies from state to state, but welfare is somewhere in the area of $300 per month per person. That is about $10 per day. Do you really think many people choose to have no assets at all and live a spartan life just because they can make the princely sum of $10 a day.

The government spends far more on corporate welfare then they do the feed the poor. Some people may be OK with that, but I would prefer that society help the less fortunate than the wealthy.

http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending...

“hellshade”

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Since: Jul 07

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#53 Apr 29, 2013
the immigration bill is bad for America.

stop all immigration whether legal or not...
nym8387

United States

#54 Apr 29, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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That pretty much covers the standard FOX talking points, but does not provide any insight.
Just a few comments. The first is that Democrats are "unanimous in wanting amnesty". Since nobody has ever proposed "amnesty" this appears unlikely.
The second would have to do with the "government is best equipped to run your life". What do you call it when the government wants to determine what forms of family planning are acceptable?
Where is it that welfare "exceeds what the individual could make if he worked"? It varies from state to state, but welfare is somewhere in the area of $300 per month per person. That is about $10 per day. Do you really think many people choose to have no assets at all and live a spartan life just because they can make the princely sum of $10 a day.
The government spends far more on corporate welfare then they do the feed the poor. Some people may be OK with that, but I would prefer that society help the less fortunate than the wealthy.
http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending...
spoken like a true anchor,nobody said anything about amnesty?lol
spud

Bangor, PA

#55 Apr 29, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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That pretty much covers the standard FOX talking points, but does not provide any insight.
Just a few comments. The first is that Democrats are "unanimous in wanting amnesty". Since nobody has ever proposed "amnesty" this appears unlikely.
The second would have to do with the "government is best equipped to run your life". What do you call it when the government wants to determine what forms of family planning are acceptable?
Where is it that welfare "exceeds what the individual could make if he worked"? It varies from state to state, but welfare is somewhere in the area of $300 per month per person. That is about $10 per day. Do you really think many people choose to have no assets at all and live a spartan life just because they can make the princely sum of $10 a day.
The government spends far more on corporate welfare then they do the feed the poor. Some people may be OK with that, but I would prefer that society help the less fortunate than the wealthy.
http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending...
Democrats are unanimous in wanting amnesty, and it is amnesty they want, an extreme form of amnesty at that. Your party believes in government control of everything in the family planning area. They believe in government control of healthcare. They believe in raising taxes, not so they can balance their budget, but so they can find more ways to stupidly spend more money. I hear talk that supplying free phones with free service to slackers wasn't enough. Now they're talking about giving everyone a free computer as well. And you say the welfare top is $300? What about the housing, medical care, food and every other thing they give away? The point is, anyone who works a job should make more than the highest paid welfare or unemployment recipient. You say corporate welfare is worse than welfare for the poor. You're probably right. And the biggest corporate welfare came about because of those middle class killing free trade agreements. Democrats used to protect us from free trade until that idiot Clinton signed NAFTA.
see the light

El Paso, TX

#56 Apr 29, 2013
get real wrote:
<quoted text> im second class but i make more money than ur sorry ass... so talk all u want to but. at the end ur alwasy be less fhan many wetbcks. so come on go ahead and talk trash thats about all u can do
What do you do ,,,,sell drugs? Figures!
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#57 Apr 29, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Democrats are unanimous in wanting amnesty, and it is amnesty they want, an extreme form of amnesty at that. Your party believes in government control of everything in the family planning area. They believe in government control of healthcare. They believe in raising taxes, not so they can balance their budget, but so they can find more ways to stupidly spend more money. I hear talk that supplying free phones with free service to slackers wasn't enough. Now they're talking about giving everyone a free computer as well. And you say the welfare top is $300? What about the housing, medical care, food and every other thing they give away? The point is, anyone who works a job should make more than the highest paid welfare or unemployment recipient. You say corporate welfare is worse than welfare for the poor. You're probably right. And the biggest corporate welfare came about because of those middle class killing free trade agreements. Democrats used to protect us from free trade until that idiot Clinton signed NAFTA.
I agree that NAFTA was terrible. It did not work for either the Americans or the Mexicans. It is also a large part of the reason why so many Mexicans ended-up out of work. Of course there have been a dozen other trade agreements afterwards that only made things worse.

Never heard anything about free computers, but the whole free phone thing is a hoax. That program has been in place since the Telecommunications Act of 1934 and does not involve a dime of taxpayer's money. It is completely funded by the telecommunications industry. It seems strange that this program has been in place for 79 years and through twelve different presidents, but it never became an issue until Obama took office.
Kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#58 Apr 30, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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That pretty much covers the standard FOX talking points, but does not provide any insight.
Just a few comments. The first is that Democrats are "unanimous in wanting amnesty". Since nobody has ever proposed "amnesty" this appears unlikely.
The second would have to do with the "government is best equipped to run your life". What do you call it when the government wants to determine what forms of family planning are acceptable?
Where is it that welfare "exceeds what the individual could make if he worked"? It varies from state to state, but welfare is somewhere in the area of $300 per month per person. That is about $10 per day. Do you really think many people choose to have no assets at all and live a spartan life just because they can make the princely sum of $10 a day.
The government spends far more on corporate welfare then they do the feed the poor. Some people may be OK with that, but I would prefer that society help the less fortunate than the wealthy.
http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending...
Well said, Turner. Give the Faux “News” victims an inch and they’ll take a mile. No shades of gray between black and white, no spectrum of color, no rainbow. Just a mind like a steel trap — snapped shut.
ITS ME

Paramount, CA

#59 Apr 30, 2013
see the light wrote:
What you stupid, stupid Libs think is a good deal for Americans is created for your downfall. Liberals want only destruction, they have the same mind Muslims.

Just go ahead and see the light and then follow the light then u will be out of this world u ignorant piece of shit

“One Night”

Level 4

Since: Aug 12

It Just Disappeared

#60 Apr 30, 2013
Things Are Gonna Get Better ~ Deals Gone Bad
http://youtu.be/2s8HQ5S2A_I
see the light

El Paso, TX

#61 May 1, 2013
ITS ME wrote:
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Just go ahead and see the light and then follow the light then u will be out of this world u ignorant piece of shit
Such words of Wisdom!LOL
spud

Bangor, PA

#62 May 2, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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I agree that NAFTA was terrible. It did not work for either the Americans or the Mexicans. It is also a large part of the reason why so many Mexicans ended-up out of work. Of course there have been a dozen other trade agreements afterwards that only made things worse.
Never heard anything about free computers, but the whole free phone thing is a hoax. That program has been in place since the Telecommunications Act of 1934 and does not involve a dime of taxpayer's money. It is completely funded by the telecommunications industry. It seems strange that this program has been in place for 79 years and through twelve different presidents, but it never became an issue until Obama took office.
Upon further review, you're right about the cell phones. But I did see an Obama appointee on TV, name unknown, who said they were looking into the possibility of duplicating the phone program with computers. Who knows, that could have been BS too. But I don't think any reasonable person can honestly say our government doesn't overspend, particularly the Democrats.

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