Illegal Mexicans Destroy Construction...

Illegal Mexicans Destroy Construction Industry

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Okbuilder

Sumrall, MS

#1 Jul 28, 2008
My name is Raymond Herrera, I am an American Carpenter and also an American General Contractor, out of work and out of business in America's booming construction industry.

As an American tradesman, 34 years experience as a carpenter, a licensed General Contractor in Arizona and California, both failed business ventures due to the lack of American tradesmen, not for the lack of work in America.

They failed not because I lacked trade skills, a strong work ethic, business knowledge, or the lack of work in America's construction industry. Rather they failed because of Illegal Immigration and the Immoral American Developers and Contractors, who hire vast numbers of Illegal Mexican Immigrants rather than their fellow American workers.

The hiring practice of these American Developers and Contractors, the unabated invasion of illegal Mexican Immigrants have destroyed The American Tradesmen, the American Contractor and The American Dream for their American families.

http://www.unitedstates.fm/ray.htm
Okbuilder

Sumrall, MS

#2 Jul 28, 2008
Raymond Herrera is only one of thousands of American contractors who have had to shut down operations due to the devastating effects of illegal aliens and greedy contractors cutting their legs from under them. I myself have decided to get out of construction because I can no longer compete with contractors who hire illegals. I have about 160 American employees who will be unemployed in 2 weeks. I just want to say thanks to all of you who support illegals. Your tunnel vision has helped to ruin the lives of 160 good people.
NE Red

Lincoln, NE

#3 Jul 28, 2008
Thanks Okbuilder. It's terrible, but every morning I continue to see Hispanics trucked and vanned to the local C-Store. Jobs probably "Americans" don't want to do! Makes me sick!
Madison

“Enforce our Immigration Laws!”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#4 Jul 28, 2008
I know how construction industry here in NW Arkansas. They drove my brother-in-law out of the foundation business he had been in for thirty years.
Now he's working an evening shift at a dairy company cleaning out trailers. Funny you'd think that would be a job Americans wouldn't do either!
PSL

Boca Raton, FL

#5 Jul 28, 2008
All I know is that my brother who WAS in construction said illegals have ruined the
construction trade in that State.
Okbuilder

Sumrall, MS

#6 Jul 28, 2008
Madison wrote:
I know how construction industry here in NW Arkansas. They drove my brother-in-law out of the foundation business he had been in for thirty years.
Now he's working an evening shift at a dairy company cleaning out trailers. Funny you'd think that would be a job Americans wouldn't do either!
I am sickened by this mess. I wonder why non of the pro-illegals has posted anything on this thread yet. They have no need or want for the truth of what is happening.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#7 Jul 28, 2008
Okbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>I am sickened by this mess. I wonder why non of the pro-illegals has posted anything on this thread yet. They have no need or want for the truth of what is happening.
Because then they'd have to have some sort of reason for supporting this mess, and they might have to face reality, which none of them are prepared to do. They still have their heads in their arses, believing we need the illegals or that we should let them stay because "they are poor and just need work and only pick our lettuce" and the rest of that crap.:-)

How's it going?!

“freedom or else!”

Since: May 08

Yorktown, VA

#8 Jul 28, 2008
Okbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>I am sickened by this mess. I wonder why non of the pro-illegals has posted anything on this thread yet. They have no need or want for the truth of what is happening.
What is happening is people like you have supported the creation of a sub-class of workers by insisting they have no rights. As this happens "illegals" are forced to accept sub-standard wages, and conditions, which in turn lowers the wages for all workers as they compete to sell their labor to the bosses. De-criminalization (amnesty) for the millions of "illegal" workers, as well as decriminalization of crossing borders to find work, will level the playing feild and eliminate the opportunity bosses now have to hire immigrant workers for half the price of an american.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#9 Jul 28, 2008
wobble wrote:
<quoted text>
What is happening is people like you have supported the creation of a sub-class of workers by insisting they have no rights. As this happens "illegals" are forced to accept sub-standard wages, and conditions, which in turn lowers the wages for all workers as they compete to sell their labor to the bosses. De-criminalization (amnesty) for the millions of "illegal" workers, as well as decriminalization of crossing borders to find work, will level the playing feild and eliminate the opportunity bosses now have to hire immigrant workers for half the price of an american.
Closing our borders and/or making larger fines and mandatory jail time will also make sure employers only employ legal people at living wages. WE DO NOT NEED ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Are you unaware that we gave a huge amnesty in 1986? We agreed because the government said it would stop illegal immigration because these people would not be legal and able to work, and blah blah blah. Did you miss that?

IT DIDN'T WORK!

We don't beat a dead horse, and any person with even an 1/8 of a functioning brain knows that if doing something doesn't work, continuing to do it won't suddenly change the fact that IT DOESN'T WORK!

The illegals need to go home, and whatever your reason for keeping them here (modern day slavemaster, perhaps? Or just can't be bothered to clean your own home, mow your own lawn or pay a normal wage to legal people?) really has no basis in reality, as our laws are there for a purpose. We do not get to pick and choose which we follow and which we ignore.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#10 Jul 28, 2008
That should've said:

"We agreed because the government said it would stop illegal immigration because these people would not be illegal and would now be able to work, and blah blah blah."

So, did you miss all that???
So What

Battle Creek, MI

#11 Jul 28, 2008
wobble wrote:
<quoted text>
What is happening is people like you have supported the creation of a sub-class of workers by insisting they have no rights. As this happens "illegals" are forced to accept sub-standard wages, and conditions, which in turn lowers the wages for all workers as they compete to sell their labor to the bosses. De-criminalization (amnesty) for the millions of "illegal" workers, as well as decriminalization of crossing borders to find work, will level the playing feild and eliminate the opportunity bosses now have to hire immigrant workers for half the price of an american.
There is no way illegal aliens should be rewarded for breaking the law and given amnesty. There are plenty of immigrants who did it the right way or ones who have been waiting for years going through the process to become citizens. People who crossed the border illegally deserve nothing but to be deported.
Okbuilder

Sumrall, MS

#12 Jul 28, 2008
wobble wrote:
<quoted text>
What is happening is people like you have supported the creation of a sub-class of workers by insisting they have no rights. As this happens "illegals" are forced to accept sub-standard wages, and conditions, which in turn lowers the wages for all workers as they compete to sell their labor to the bosses. De-criminalization (amnesty) for the millions of "illegal" workers, as well as decriminalization of crossing borders to find work, will level the playing feild and eliminate the opportunity bosses now have to hire immigrant workers for half the price of an american.
You are absolutely insane. How will inviting more people in "level" the field for American workers and companies? And btw, "people like me" haven't supported this disaster, but we're dammed sure paying the price. The ONLY solution is to close the border and deport the illegals, enforce the law and make employers verify the legality of their hires. Trust me on this... I have done my homework.
truth really hurts

Bowersville, GA

#13 Jul 28, 2008
put your money where your mouth is...

DONATIONS MAY BE SENT TO:
Raymond Herrera
P.O.Box 403275
Hesperia Ca. 92340
Okbuilder

Sumrall, MS

#14 Jul 28, 2008
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
Because then they'd have to have some sort of reason for supporting this mess, and they might have to face reality, which none of them are prepared to do. They still have their heads in their arses, believing we need the illegals or that we should let them stay because "they are poor and just need work and only pick our lettuce" and the rest of that crap.:-)
How's it going?!
True Rebel. I wish I could say it was going well, but it isn't. I'm in the process of doing a direction change and it isn't fun losing an industry that I've been in since I was a kid.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#15 Jul 28, 2008
So What wrote:
<quoted text>There is no way illegal aliens should be rewarded for breaking the law and given amnesty. There are plenty of immigrants who did it the right way or ones who have been waiting for years going through the process to become citizens. People who crossed the border illegally deserve nothing but to be deported.
Yes, way too many people like "Wobble" seem to forget that there are MANY people waiting (often for years) in their home countries, paperwork all filled out and approved and all they are waiting for is their turn to come here. We could easily fill every job an illegal has with someone who obeys the laws and does things the legal way (probably several times over). So why he advocates rewarding criminals is beyond any of us.

Okay, Wobble, give us the reasons, since we all know we have more than enough foreign people waiting patiently in their own country who could and would easily fill job vacancies...why illegals above them? Keep in mind, we do not have the resources or anything else to have open borders -- it is not feasible. All countries have immigration laws and there are reasons for it. So, why do you advocate rearding people who break laws above those who are doing it the right way?

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#16 Jul 28, 2008
truth really hurts wrote:
put your money where your mouth is...
DONATIONS MAY BE SENT TO:
Raymond Herrera
P.O.Box 403275
Hesperia Ca. 92340
You're sending your whole yearly salary, right?

I mean, YOU are one of the pro-illegals who think illegal aliens do not hurt citizens of this country and we should welcome them, reward them and all hold hands while singing around a camp fire with them, so obviously you will be sending this man (who lost his job due to illegal aliens) all your money, right? Or do you only contribute to the illegal aliens' funds?

Besides, this story must be hogwash, because according to you and yours, citizens are not hurt at all by illegal aliens being here.
Okbuilder

Sumrall, MS

#17 Jul 28, 2008
truth really hurts wrote:
put your money where your mouth is...
DONATIONS MAY BE SENT TO:
Raymond Herrera
P.O.Box 403275
Hesperia Ca. 92340
Already did...

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#18 Jul 28, 2008
Okbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>True Rebel. I wish I could say it was going well, but it isn't. I'm in the process of doing a direction change and it isn't fun losing an industry that I've been in since I was a kid.
Wow. I'm so sorry to hear that.:-(

I hope things work out. This whole situation is so difficult on everyone, and then we have the boneheads who can't admit the illegals being here are adversely affecting citizens and legal residents.

“freedom or else!”

Since: May 08

Yorktown, VA

#21 Jul 28, 2008
Okbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>You are absolutely insane. How will inviting more people in "level" the field for American workers and companies? And btw, "people like me" haven't supported this disaster, but we're dammed sure paying the price. The ONLY solution is to close the border and deport the illegals, enforce the law and make employers verify the legality of their hires. Trust me on this... I have done my homework.
I'm sure you've done your homework, but the price your paying is the result of policies that you support. The fact that "illegals" work for minimum wage, making competition with american union workers all but impossible, is directly related to the fact that these workers have no right to demand better wages, join unions, ect. As usual the only solution is less government, not more.
Madison

“Enforce our Immigration Laws!”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#22 Jul 28, 2008
Okbuilder wrote:
<quoted text>Already did...
Okbuilder have you heard about the rally in Denver?

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...

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