The President has failed us

[fishaholic]

Don Joe wrote:

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Choice for a voucher system? Yea, what senior wouldn't want $5 off his next heart surgery? Anything more would just cost too much. Competition? Yea, who will get that extra $5 after charging $789,254 for the first weeks services?

So you're criticizing obama for wanting to do the same thing that Romney/Ryan have proposed? Nevermind that you have no idea how the proposed program would work. Why let an informed opinion get in the way of a sarcastic smart-ass. Please, go ahead keep sniping and looking stupid. You have to stick to what you're good at.

[georgeply77]

They call me Monica wrote:

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Hi George!

Hi there Kiddo!
And just how are you doing today?
I bet its hotter than hell out there huh?

[fishaholic]

Here Is One wrote:

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Dont say the word Salmon.......LOL
I just traded 15 kilos of Blue Fin and 10 kilos of MahiMahi for one slab of smoked salmon brought down from Alaska....
I miss Salmon. Here all we have is the frozen mush from walmart or Costco and it is BAD

WOW! I don't think you got the better end of that deal. LOL! The fall Chinook run is in full swing here but won't last long. Got to get 'em while you can. 20lber and a 10lber in 3 days of fishing last week. I've got some happy neighbors right now!

[Bull Crap]

_White American_ wrote:

<quoted text>NTR happens to be thin and trim. A lovely lady.

NTR is hateful condescending ugly old bit ch!

[X -Man-]

Jeff T in MPLS wrote:

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It has already happened.
We had this conversation weeks ago.
Sorry you are incapable of keeping up.
Like I said, it is YOUR problem now!
Just because I am nice: "call me what you want to call me"

If so prove it. It shouldn't be hard.

Put up, or shut up. ;)

[georgeply77]

fishaholic wrote:

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I applaud you for your determination to make the best of a not so good situation. Good luck with the fishing trip. What kind of shark? I might even be able to get out and catch another Salmon this week. Caught a 20lber last week.

hi there, and thanks!
I hope to catch a big bull shark. Those were usualy the ones i caught when i used to live here durring the 70s. I did catch one tiger shark and once i hooked into a big lemon shark, wich was realy cool cause they jump and leap! he got off though.
I now live up on lake Ontario so I go for salmon in the fall. Big browns too.
:)

[They call me Monica]

georgeply77 wrote:

<quoted text>Hi there Kiddo!
And just how are you doing today?
I bet its hotter than hell out there huh?

I am in an air conditioned building. Yes it is. The sun is shining brightly. Early morning and late evening it is ok George. Other than that I stay inside.

Are you on vacation

[Monica Cates]

Bull Crap wrote:

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NTR is hateful condescending ugly old bit ch!

And she rolls in the mud with anyone who hates America

[Monica Cates]

I smell a dark, brown/black rodent. UGH

[_White American_]

fishaholic wrote:

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Tell that to the 23+Million unemployed and 100+million on gov't assistance.

I neglected to mention another problem you have. The inability to recognize the fact that President Obama didn't put our economy where it is. We got here under 8 yrs of Presicent Bush much to my shame. I'm a Republican and voted for then President Bush both times. Our whole economy was bankrupt when our current President took office. We are at least starting to work our way out of it. Plus if our elected officials would work for us and not try to just make their party look good we would be further ahead. When they play obstuctionist none of us win.

[NTRPRNR1]

September 9, 2012, 6:55 p.m. ET

Charles G. Koch

Corporate Cronyism Harms America

When businesses feed at the federal trough, they threaten public support for business and free markets.

.......Businesses have failed to make the case that government policy—not business greed—has caused many of our current problems....Far too many businesses have been all too eager to lobby for maintaining and increasing subsidies and mandates paid by taxpayers and consumers. This growing partnership between business and government is a destructive force, undermining not just our economy and our political system, but the very foundations of our culture.

So why isn't economic freedom the "default setting" for our economy? What upsets this productive state of affairs? Trouble begins whenever businesses take their eyes off the needs and wants of consumers—and instead cast longing glances on government and the favors it can bestow. When currying favor with Washington is seen as a much easier way to make money, businesses inevitably begin to compete with rivals in securing government largess, rather than in winning customers.

We have a term for this kind of collusion between business and government. It used to be known as rent-seeking. Now we call it cronyism. Rampant cronyism threatens the economic foundations that have made this the most prosperous country in the world.

We are on dangerous terrain when government picks winners and losers in the economy by subsidizing favored products and industries. There are now businesses and entire industries that exist solely as a result of federal patronage. Profiting from government instead of earning profits in the economy, such businesses can continue to succeed even if they are squandering resources and making products that people wouldn't ordinarily buy.(cont.)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639...

End corporate welfare with the exception of temporary tax credits which encourage businesses to return jobs to America, the only incentives we should be providing in light of our economic struggle other than reducing the corporate tax rate to a more globally competitive level. Otherwise, sink or swim on a competitive basis.

[Don Joe]

fishaholic wrote:

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So you're criticizing obama for wanting to do the same thing that Romney/Ryan have proposed? Nevermind that you have no idea how the proposed program would work. Why let an informed opinion get in the way of a sarcastic smart-ass. Please, go ahead keep sniping and looking stupid. You have to stick to what you're good at.

Yes, I am criticizing Obama for doing the same things Romney did. I opposed Romney when he did it, so why would I approve when Obama does it? I want Obama to be different than Romney.

I have seen voucher systems in the past. Right here in Minnesota Microsoft was sued for illegal practices against the people of Minnesota. Microsoft lost and had to give a voucher to each citizen of Minnesota. I got a voucher. It was for $25 off your next Microsoft product purchase. I threw it in the garbage, because I wasn't going to buy anything microsoft.

I have seen voucher systems suggested for education. Close down the public schools and let parents have a coupon that can be used (maybe) at some private school somewhere. It doesn't work. It has never worked. It can't work.

Now you are suggesting that you let some senior have a coupon for a $6000 voucher to buy insurance, with an upcoming heart surgery. Do you really expect an insurance company executive to make a deal where he gets a $6000 voucher and has to pay $800,000 or more? What do you think the insurance exec would say?

I know for my insurance, between my employer and myself pay almost $2000 per month. That voucher wouldn't come close to allowing me to have insurance. We are healthy, exercise and eat right. What if we weren't in that category?

Now if you have some other understanding of the voucher system, something different that would make it work, then please elaborate.

[jackson]

Don Joe wrote:

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Choice for a voucher system? Yea, what senior wouldn't want $5 off his next heart surgery? Anything more would just cost too much. Competition? Yea, who will get that extra $5 after charging $789,254 for the first weeks services?

You're confusing voucher with coupon! Ha!
The voucher system would allow us choices. Under Obama's plan, we have no choice (or at least won't, once all businesses decide to pay the penalty instead of paying for coverage for their employees).

[jackson]

Don Joe wrote:

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Choice for a voucher system? Yea, what senior wouldn't want $5 off his next heart surgery? Anything more would just cost too much. Competition? Yea, who will get that extra $5 after charging $789,254 for the first weeks services?

You just have no clue of what it is. Just like you have no clue about what Obama's plan will do to this country. Maybe I should envy you your ignorance -- after all, they say it is bliss!

[Quirky]

HP's cost-cutting drive to dump 2,000 more workers

SAN FRANCISCO — Hewlett-Packard Co. is planning to cut about 2,000 more jobs than it had previously announced as CEO Meg Whitman tries to turn the company around.

In a regulatory filing Monday, the computer and printer maker said it will eliminate 29,000 jobs by October 2014, up from the 27,000 cuts it announced in May when HP employed about 350,000 people.

The company, which is based in Palo Alto, Calif., didn't explain why it had raised the number. The revision comes amid signs that the already slumping personal computer market may weaken even further as an increasing number of sleek smartphones and tablet computers win over consumers.

The shift to mobile devices has hurt HP, the world's largest maker of PCs. HP is preparing to release a new line of tablets this fall and has been trying to diversify into more profitable lines of technology, such as business software and consulting, but Whitman has cautioned it will take several years for the company to bounce back from a litany of problems, including a lack of innovation and acquisitions that haven't panned out.

For instance, the diminished value of HP's 2008 acquisition of consulting service Electronic Data Systems saddled the company with an $8.9 billion loss in its most recent quarter.

About 8,500 workers already have accepted early retirement offers. Most of those employees left HP Aug. 31, according to Monday's filing. The rest of the early retirees will depart by the end of August 2013.

ISI Group analyst Brian Marshall estimated that HP will save an additional $200 million annually by cutting an extra 2,000 jobs. In May, the company had estimated its austerity drive would reduce its annual expenses by $3 billion to $3.5 billion.

The company expects to record charges totaling $3.7 billion to cover the costs of paying departing workers and other cost-cutting measures. That's up from the May estimate of $3.5 billion. HP absorbed $1.7 billion of the projected charges in its last fiscal quarter ending in July.

The company's stock price rose 24 cents, or 1.4 percent, to $17.53 in late afternoon trading. The shares are still close to their eight-year low of $16.77, hit Aug. 30.

[Monica Dupree]

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

September 9, 2012, 6:55 p.m. ET
Charles G. Koch
Corporate Cronyism Harms America
When businesses feed at the federal trough, they threaten public support for business and free markets.
.......Businesses have failed to make the case that government policy—not business greed—has caused many of our current problems....Far too many businesses have been all too eager to lobby for maintaining and increasing subsidies and mandates paid by taxpayers and consumers. This growing partnership between business and government is a destructive force, undermining not just our economy and our political system, but the very foundations of our culture.
So why isn't economic freedom the "default setting" for our economy? What upsets this productive state of affairs? Trouble begins whenever businesses take their eyes off the needs and wants of consumers—and instead cast longing glances on government and the favors it can bestow. When currying favor with Washington is seen as a much easier way to make money, businesses inevitably begin to compete with rivals in securing government largess, rather than in winning customers.
We have a term for this kind of collusion between business and government. It used to be known as rent-seeking. Now we call it cronyism. Rampant cronyism threatens the economic foundations that have made this the most prosperous country in the world.
We are on dangerous terrain when government picks winners and losers in the economy by subsidizing favored products and industries. There are now businesses and entire industries that exist solely as a result of federal patronage. Profiting from government instead of earning profits in the economy, such businesses can continue to succeed even if they are squandering resources and making products that people wouldn't ordinarily buy.(cont.)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087239639...
End corporate welfare with the exception of temporary tax credits which encourage businesses to return jobs to America, the only incentives we should be providing in light of our economic struggle other than reducing the corporate tax rate to a more globally competitive level. Otherwise, sink or swim on a competitive basis.

Close US airbases all over the world. Let these people worry about their own security!

[Sick of PC Crap]

When all else fails.......

HERE COME DA JUDGE
HERE COME DA JUDGE
HERE COME DA JUDGE
HERE COME DA JUDGE IT NATZEE!!!!!
THE LIBERAL JUDGE NATZEE THAT IS!!! LMFAO

[Jeff T in MPLS]

X -Man- wrote:

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If so prove it. It shouldn't be hard.
Put up, or shut up. ;)

Typical liberal.

Caught in liberal dishonesty, intolerance and bigotry, you three times pretended not to notice when your own words were posted back to you.

Now you want ME to do the work for you you should have done for yourself when this all started.

How typically lazy and liberal of you.

As the beer commercial used to say "Get it yourself, Bob".

[Ghost Rider]

Ghost Rider wrote:

LMFAO....

You remain to be so FOS....

"I'm willing to endure more pain in order to preserve opportunity for the children who deserve to live America's promise,"

Pray tell, what pain are YOU willing to endure over others, NTR?
You advocate for the black community only. You have advocated for a compromise to allow illegal aliens to remain in their illegal jobs so they can pay taxes. You have never advocated for Americans to fill those jobs as you felt it was a way to pacify corp America to make the transition of paying lesser wages on temporary work visas for the illegal aliens. You have mocked the grass roots movements in having raids done at meat packaging companies, which cleared the factories of illegal workers and opened a large line of employment for Americans, who obviously are willing to work those jobs.

You put anyone down who has aspirations to venture in a small business..

Bottom line, you attempt to ridicule, condescend and insult anyone who simply does not agree with you, and finds your ideology to be dangerous to This Country in general...

You have caused your own pain by your own irresponsible decision you have made over the course of your adult life..... You have nothing to pain over for anyone. Not even the youth of This Country. Their future that you are trying to destroy with your liberal nonsense.

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

Don't bother me with your nonsense. Thanks.
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Just stating the facts that you refuse to accept... But then again, you were NEVER really good at taking personal responsibility were you?

It's rather interesting how you boast that you have always been a socialist liberal democrat and fiscally responsible. You boasted how you voted for Bush both terms and accuse/imply others are supporting Bush policies, when there aren't posters that you condescend who has ever defended Bush.

You try to claim that obama is a centrist like Clinton was, yet he does not have a track record of coming to the middle with the republicans. All he has done is throw childish insults at the GOP, blame Bush for his failures, and has not once ever stated any kind of policy or path of action. He whines that he needs more time. He has stated, if he hasn't achieved turning This Country on the right track, he would be a one term president and he even gives himself an "incomplete" report card rating.

You continue to bag on the GOP, most specifically Romney, accuse him of not having a strategy plan in place. What part of the 5 issues and what needs to be done did you not understand during the RNC, NTR?

What strategy plan has obama come up with, if any?

It is only you and your la raza ilk that have a whole lot of nonsense. None of you, especially YOU have been able to counter back responsibily to contradict or counter any other poster's opinions without adding immature childish insults. You can't even list any strategy plan or policy that obama has that would be in the best interest of This Country.. All obama offers up is excuses. One excuse after excuse after excuse and so on. He is good at pointing his finger at others, but fails to provide a doable solution This Country has been facing regarding the future and survival of This Country.

You are for socialism. Period!

And, you really do not care about other Americans, those who are able to go to college, those who are able to achieve with having the street smarts but unable to afford college or simply are not college material to achieve their goals as well.. You have always co-mingled the lazy good for nothings with the poor. You advocate lowering the bar/playing field to accomodate the lazy or those who simply do not have the aspirations to hump their azzes, raise the bar or set higher goals upon achieving set goals...

It is your liberal nonsense that will destroy the future of the youth.. Socialism is not the answer.

[Ghost Rider]

X -Man- wrote:

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Temper temper Quirky.
Go find your favorite Barbie and cuddle and calm down. ;)

Truth hurts you, don't it, x-man?

Get over it.. We all know you b*tches go running to topix to shut down the voices that make more sense than yours.

Bannings will never change the fact, many of you benefit from having your minority status, you are dependent on affirmative action and you simply do not have an ounce of pride in your body...

Now, tell us something we don't already know......