The President has failed us

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This week, I decided to list the reasons I would not vote for Barack Obama in the next election.
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#97737 Jan 29, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>I still have a problem with that, because why didn't those tthat were heere 30 years take advantage of the '86 amnesty? Birthright citizennship has to be addressed, as Rubio says they can't get welfare, etc., but their American born kids will be able to add more with their entitlements, so somebody isn't being honest with us.
Teddy take a look at the Dream Act. The Government takes a age limit they have taken from out of the air. Leaving all those over the age limit out of luck. Within thier legalization plans they always seem to put in pitfalls that just leave some out of the equation. That is why many of those that have been here for many years are left out. That's why they continue to be here without documentation.

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#97738 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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That was a pretty good recap.
Btw..it got kind of quiet in here. Did somebody finally fumigate the place or what?
I'm reluctant to answer;-) But, you can probably tell by how many nasty judge-its I get in the next few minutes.

What do you think of the President's immigration proposal? Personally, I don't see anything in these proposals that does one thing for the American and legal immigrant workers they replaced, and what in these formulas is designed to discourage others from coming to wait for their turns? Securing the border(s) only prevents 60% of the problem - even if you believe we can successfully block border jumpers, and I don't think we can in the first place. What's the plan for th 40% who enter on legal visas and never go home again? Last, this TGW program for jobs Americans "just won't do" is also disingenuous. That guarantees wages will stay in the toilet, because Americans just won't do jobs that pay less than a survivable wage - if they have any choice. If not, they're still competing for a race to the lowest possible wage.

At any rate, I'm not happy because it's not very different than we did last time, and now there are at least 11-12 more people here illegally. What's going to stop that from happening again going forward?
Rico

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#97739 Jan 29, 2013
Immigration Reform.... round 2!!!!

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#97741 Jan 29, 2013
Rico wrote:
Immigration Reform.... round 2!!!!
What do you think, Rico? Do you like the proposals?

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#97742 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm reluctant to answer;-) But, you can probably tell by how many nasty judge-its I get in the next few minutes.
What do you think of the President's immigration proposal? Personally, I don't see anything in these proposals that does one thing for the American and legal immigrant workers they replaced, and what in these formulas is designed to discourage others from coming to wait for their turns? Securing the border(s) only prevents 60% of the problem - even if you believe we can successfully block border jumpers, and I don't think we can in the first place. What's the plan for th 40% who enter on legal visas and never go home again? Last, this TGW program for jobs Americans "just won't do" is also disingenuous. That guarantees wages will stay in the toilet, because Americans just won't do jobs that pay less than a survivable wage - if they have any choice. If not, they're still competing for a race to the lowest possible wage.
At any rate, I'm not happy because it's not very different than we did last time, and now there are at least 11-12 more people here illegally. What's going to stop that from happening again going forward?
Nothing is going to stop it from happening next time. It's 1986 all over again.

What needs to be done is pass some reassurance such as welfare reform for future illegal aliens. No welfare for future kids born to Illegal aliens becuase there should be a change to the 14th's citizenship clause. Stiffer penalties for employers hiring illegal aliens as wells as holding owners & CEO's accountable this time around. There are plenty of other ways to degauss the magnet effects but I'm not in the mood to list them all.

But to simply grant amnesty, give citizenship and not address the magnet effects to why they come in the first place is complete bullsh*t and will only leave the door open to another 10-20 million for future generations to deal with and that is wrong.

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#97743 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>What do you think, Rico? Do you like the proposals?
I have only seen the tv... I just got home and settling in. I know nothing of what's proposed yet.
Lock N Load

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#97744 Jan 29, 2013
WATCHDOGS TODAY: Secret government study exposes infiltration attempts by Mexican drug cartels
January 29, 2013 | 1:47 pm | Modified: January 29, 2013 at 1:50 pm

An internal study for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security describes 15 incidents in which known associates of Mexican drug cartels tried to inflitrate the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency, according to the Center for Investigative Reporting.

The same study detailed "turf battles, internal dysfunction and other troubles" that have hobbled the agency in its efforts "to get a handle on corruption and other misconduct within its ranks," CIR said.

The internal study was conducted by the Homeland Securities and Analysis Institute, which is an internal think tank for DHS. The study has been kept under wraps for more than a year, according to CIR. The study's authors said there may have been many more attempts by drug cartels to infiltrate the U.S. government in addition to the 15 discussed in their document.

"As part of lie detector tests, prospective hires have admitted to drug trafficking, human smuggling and other illegal activity, according to examples the agency previously provided to the Center for Investigative Reporting," CIR said.

"One applicant told examiners that he smuggled 230 people across the border and shuttled drug dealers around border towns so they could conduct their business," CIR said. "Another admitted to various crimes, including transporting $700,000 in drug money and 50 kilograms of cocaine across the Southwest border."

A total of 146 agency officers and agents have been charged with or convicted of corruption-related offenses since Oct. 1, 2004. Among the offenses charged were accepting bribes to allow drugs to enter the U.S. and stealing tax money.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/watchdogs-today...
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#97746 Jan 29, 2013
Five reasons Republicans won't win Latino voters with immigration reform

If the GOP has decided to embrace immigration reform to bolster its electoral chances with Hispanic voters, it should think again

Harry J Enten
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 29 January 2013 13.30 GMT

Republicans may feel electoral pressure to vote for comprehensive immigration reform. They shouldn't – at least in the short term. Latino voters are Democrats, and Republicans would gain little even by making a 180-degree turn on immigration reform in the next 15 years. Here are five reasons why.

Read More: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/...

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#97747 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm reluctant to answer;-) But, you can probably tell by how many nasty judge-its I get in the next few minutes.
What do you think of the President's immigration proposal? Personally, I don't see anything in these proposals that does one thing for the American and legal immigrant workers they replaced, and what in these formulas is designed to discourage others from coming to wait for their turns? Securing the border(s) only prevents 60% of the problem - even if you believe we can successfully block border jumpers, and I don't think we can in the first place. What's the plan for th 40% who enter on legal visas and never go home again? Last, this TGW program for jobs Americans "just won't do" is also disingenuous. That guarantees wages will stay in the toilet, because Americans just won't do jobs that pay less than a survivable wage - if they have any choice. If not, they're still competing for a race to the lowest possible wage.
At any rate, I'm not happy because it's not very different than we did last time, and now there are at least 11-12 more people here illegally. What's going to stop that from happening again going forward?
I'm kind of in agreement with you and Rico (saw his post before I replied to this one).

I don't see enough to stop the flow of illegal immigration and I don't like the idea of a path to citizenship at all.

It just seems like after all this time arguing about it both sides are so eager to get immigration off the table that no one is willing to the hard work of thinking the thing all the way through.

Getting the illegal workforce documented is a positive step even though there will be a negative impact on wages, but if we're going to be stuck with a path to citizenship (which it looks like we are) I would like to see more effort put into reducing the number of new arrivals.

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#97748 Jan 29, 2013
I see the judge it mast*rbater is on the prowl.

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#97749 Jan 29, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
I see the judge it mast*rbater is on the prowl.
And appearently in a really bad mood.
Jason Mattera Rules

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#97750 Jan 29, 2013
MSNBC's Finney Warns 'Crazy Crackers On The Right' About 'Hateful Language' On Immigration

By Matt Vespa | January 29, 2013 | 16:45

As the immigration reform debate heats up in Washington, liberals seem to think that they have a free rein to say whatever they want against people who are skeptical of the proposals on the table. That’s exactly what happened on this afternoon’s broadcast of Now with Alex Wagner, with MSNBC contributor and former Democratic National Committee communications director Karen Finney charging that the “crazy crackers on the right” would doom the GOP in this immigration debate.

Yes, Finney used a derogatory, racist term for white people in a segment in which Republicans were chided for allegedly dehumanizing Hispanics with terms like "illegal immigrant" and "anchor babies." Of course, Finney, a board member of abortion lobby group NARAL Pro-Choice America knows a thing or two about dehumanizing innocents.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-vespa/2013/...

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#97751 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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And appearently in a really bad mood.
O well.. he can change the judge it's all day but he cannot change what we think about his sad life.
Jason Mattera Rules

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#97752 Jan 29, 2013
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#97754 Jan 29, 2013
Don't report me for this... just enjoy it and laugh!!!

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“I Survived Immigration Reform”

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#97755 Jan 29, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
I see the judge it mast*rbater is on the prowl.
LOL! That's all they have left.

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#97756 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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I found this about Obama's proposals.
Still looking it over myself.
Transcript: President Obama's Immigration Reform Outline
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/...
Not happy. If people think this will pass Congress, the borders will look like a traffic jam in the coming months. The promise of a way to earn citizenship (even if you get here next week, there are NO restrictions) is a deal breaker for me. There are no distinctions made for who may earn the pathway - except for criminals, and criminals have never had a pathway - so, no changes there.

This proposal does NOTHING for displaced American workers, and actually keeps the ones who were left behind even further behind the soon to be "former" illegals who replaced them. They're still on the outside looking in, and if wages do increase, they'll increase for the very people who replaced them.

I suppose I must acknowledge I am pouting and will oppose this plan. The worst part of this is I can't find anything in the plan that discourages future illegal immigration while it does guarantee that we'll very likely be receiving extended family members, many who probably have no skills or education themselves and whose options will be in the low wage sectors when they do get here.

Can you say "ongoing glut" - continuing low wages (maybe a tiny bit better, but low so long as more low skilled or unskilled folks keep turning up through expedited family reunification).

There are other parts of the proposal with which I have no disagreement (keeping graduates of our schools, affording pathway to citizenship to Dream Act candidates, making entry easier for those wishing to start businesses). But, the overall plan is a bummer as far as I'm concerned, because EVERYBODY not criminal qualifies, and it will have an impact on Social Security and Medicare that we can ill afford as well as welfare programs once LPR is earned.

Did I get any part of that wrong or miss something?

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#97757 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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I found this about Obama's proposals.
Still looking it over myself.
Transcript: President Obama's Immigration Reform Outline
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/...
Thank you Jaxxon, I'll read up on it.

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#97758 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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I found this about Obama's proposals.
Still looking it over myself.
Transcript: President Obama's Immigration Reform Outline
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/...
Thanks for posting the link Jaxxon,
I don't like what I've read so far, too many loopholes too easy to qualify for amnesty, besides the additional costs of higher education for "dreamers" will handcuff a public university system that's currently operating on a shoestring budget.
They need to fine tune this proposal, it won't pass in its current draft.....That's how I feel about it.

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#97759 Jan 29, 2013
They also need to immediately declare that only those who have been here illegally prior to let's say 2010 are elligible for amnesty.
We then would discourage potential amnesty seekers from flooding our Country.

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