The President has failed us

The President has failed us

There are 341607 comments on the Times News story from Jun 9, 2012, titled The President has failed us. In it, Times News reports that:

This week, I decided to list the reasons I would not vote for Barack Obama in the next election.

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“MUAH”

Since: Jan 13

OOH RAH

#97766 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Not happy. If people think this will pass Congress, the borders will look like a traffic jam in the coming months. The promise of a way to earn citizenship (even if you get here next week, there are NO restrictions) is a deal breaker for me. There are no distinctions made for who may earn the pathway - except for criminals, and criminals have never had a pathway - so, no changes there.
This proposal does NOTHING for displaced American workers, and actually keeps the ones who were left behind even further behind the soon to be "former" illegals who replaced them. They're still on the outside looking in, and if wages do increase, they'll increase for the very people who replaced them.
I suppose I must acknowledge I am pouting and will oppose this plan. The worst part of this is I can't find anything in the plan that discourages future illegal immigration while it does guarantee that we'll very likely be receiving extended family members, many who probably have no skills or education themselves and whose options will be in the low wage sectors when they do get here.
Can you say "ongoing glut" - continuing low wages (maybe a tiny bit better, but low so long as more low skilled or unskilled folks keep turning up through expedited family reunification).
There are other parts of the proposal with which I have no disagreement (keeping graduates of our schools, affording pathway to citizenship to Dream Act candidates, making entry easier for those wishing to start businesses). But, the overall plan is a bummer as far as I'm concerned, because EVERYBODY not criminal qualifies, and it will have an impact on Social Security and Medicare that we can ill afford as well as welfare programs once LPR is earned.
Did I get any part of that wrong or miss something?
It is almost carbon copy to your plan. Now you are gonna cry about it?

WTF??????

“Try Reuters.”

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#97767 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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The "fact sheet" I've been reading seems to be heavy on rhetoric and a little light on the facts.
All generalities and talking points and positively glowing about what a brilliant "common sense" plan this is.
Makes me suspicious from the start.
I'd like to see something in writing that explains exactly how they plan to accomplish the things they're talking about.
Any idea where a person could find something like that? Just the facts without all the editorial.
There has to be formal legislation to pick it up I believe. The President also outlined "principles" without specifics, and that would make me believe the legislation itself is not yet available for the specifics. I didn't find anything other than the outline at Whitehouse.gov except an outline from 2011 - IF that's the same proposal, and I'm not clear that it is, so I didn't read it.

The outline of the Committee of 8 from Congress is accessible on Rollcall:

http://www.rollcall.com/news/immigration_deal...

In unveiling a set of principles for enhancing border security, providing a pathway to citizenship and creating an employee verification system, the eight senators noted they still have to actually write the bill.

..........
Regardless, Obama is recommending and promoting a broad blanket amnesty, and I have serious reservations that something of that nature CAN pass Congress even on a straight up vote. I will oppose it.

“MUAH”

Since: Jan 13

OOH RAH

#97768 Jan 29, 2013
-- 0ld Man -- wrote:
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Very true my dear.
Keep on keeping!
You've been reported chickenshit.
You keep on sniffing my azz though. LOL

I would copy your avatar, but I am not a tranny like you, X-Man aka STV aka azzhole. LMAO

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#97769 Jan 29, 2013
-- OId Man -- wrote:
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It is almost carbon copy to your plan. Now you are gonna cry about it?
WTF??????
It is NOTHING like my plan. You never understood what I proposed in the first place. Never. I made distinctions fro the beginning, and the possibility of some (long term residents and the EMPLOYED TAX CONTRIBUTORS AND FILERS) converting to TGW status. Beyond that, I'm not opposed to the Dreamers, because they came as children at the whims of parents. They had no choice. We've educated them, and this is the only home most of them know.

If you can't follow what was outlined, bow out bozo. Thank you.
rooster

Ashland, KY

#97770 Jan 29, 2013
Why can't we do something simpler like fix Mexico?? What the heck is broke down there anyhow that these people keep flocking here in the first place?? Canada seems to be doing well.... good neighbor and all.... no need to worry about them crossing the border. But here we have these Mexicans who won't stay in their own yard?? I can't figure it... We go to Kuwait to protect those people from the Iraqi invasion... and yet we want to roll out the welcome mat for our own invaders....???

“MUAH”

Since: Jan 13

OOH RAH

#97772 Jan 29, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe they talk about it because you keep bringing it up with you pokes and slurs at another poster.
Report for lying and provoking.
Have a wonderful night.
:)

“Natural selection created apes”

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Religion made them human

#97773 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>It is NOTHING like my plan. You never understood what I proposed in the first place. Never. I made distinctions fro the beginning, and the possibility of some (long term residents and the EMPLOYED TAX CONTRIBUTORS AND FILERS) converting to TGW status. Beyond that, I'm not opposed to the Dreamers, because they came as children at the whims of parents. They had no choice. We've educated them, and this is the only home most of them know.
If you can't follow what was outlined, bow out bozo. Thank you.
This is a copy of his remarks:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/20...

This is a copy of his proposal:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/20...

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#97775 Jan 29, 2013
USMail XXXII wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a copy of his remarks:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/20...
This is a copy of his proposal:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/20...
Thanks Mail.

Been trying to get a handle on this.

“MUAH”

Since: Jan 13

OOH RAH

#97776 Jan 29, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>I really can't say if she did or not, and I certainly can't figure out why she got ticked at me, but that's okay, it's a new day. No problem. Schools have an awesome responsiblity to do what's best for the kids, and do encourage reasonable parental interaction, but those parents need to understand that the slightest thing can throw a reasonably productive day into a tizzy when things like a child not getting the food he/she ordered occurs, or drooling over his/her nieghbor's fast food. I have given up some of my lunch to try to lessen a child's distress. We all have done that when the need arose! You know, sometimes new folks come on these threads loaded for bear, until they get their feet wet. I know I did. Some of us change and grow and move on. With time, this should all be smoothed out. At least I hope so.
Back door politics...
Not good in the real world or the virtual world.
Have a great evening.

“MUAH”

Since: Jan 13

OOH RAH

#97777 Jan 29, 2013
Freespirit8 wrote:
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I hadn't caught up with NTR's post. Thank you though, for the flattering comparison.
I see from today's posts you haven't yet signed up for that reading comprehension course. Hurry, classes are filling quickly!
Reported for condescending a participant of the community.
Have a good night.

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#97779 Jan 29, 2013
I can't stop laughing.

“Try Reuters.”

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#97780 Jan 29, 2013
-- OId Man -- wrote:
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Reported for condescending a participant of the community.
Have a good night.
Condescending is an adjective - not a verb. Do you follow? Not a verb.

“Try Reuters.”

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#97781 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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I think you are certifiably insane.
How many of these accounts do you have anyway?
Just curious.
Must be evidence of some kind of schizophrenia. I hope the better personality wins!

“Amor patriae.”

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#97782 Jan 29, 2013
Gunner wrote:
Lot of fkn tea bag whining here.
Lot of little fcking weasels too.

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

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#97783 Jan 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Cutting the military to pre 9/11 troop levels, integrating women in combat units; the President is a failure.
Absoutely agree.

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#97784 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>It is NOTHING like my plan. You never understood what I proposed in the first place. Never. I made distinctions fro the beginning, and the possibility of some (long term residents and the EMPLOYED TAX CONTRIBUTORS AND FILERS) converting to TGW status. Beyond that, I'm not opposed to the Dreamers, because they came as children at the whims of parents. They had no choice. We've educated them, and this is the only home most of them know.
If you can't follow what was outlined, bow out bozo. Thank you.
I think he's too busy talking to himself to answer you right now.

“MUAH”

Since: Jan 13

OOH RAH

#97785 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>It is NOTHING like my plan. You never understood what I proposed in the first place. Never. I made distinctions fro the beginning, and the possibility of some (long term residents and the EMPLOYED TAX CONTRIBUTORS AND FILERS) converting to TGW status. Beyond that, I'm not opposed to the Dreamers, because they came as children at the whims of parents. They had no choice. We've educated them, and this is the only home most of them know.
If you can't follow what was outlined, bow out bozo. Thank you.
Uh, uh. You wanted the illegal aliens to remain in their jobs for a limited term and they could pay taxes and it would allow big companies to make the transition of "weaning" away for paying lower wages. That was your plan. Coddle corp America and congress.
They would come around.

You got what you advocated for. Embrace it. Change is coming, this country is falling. Accept that sad reality. You and your friends gave your country away. Stop your whining.

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#97786 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
I can't stop laughing.
LOL! Desperation at its most hilarious.

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#97787 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Condescending is an adjective - not a verb. Do you follow? Not a verb.
Condescending isn't a violation of TOS either so I think both of him is out of luck.

“MUAH”

Since: Jan 13

OOH RAH

#97788 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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I think he's too busy talking to himself to answer you right now.
Reported for lying and instigating.

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