The President has failed us

This week, I decided to list the reasons I would not vote for Barack Obama in the next election. Read more

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#97726 Jan 29, 2013
jackson wrote:
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Yet you don't have a problem looking back when it comes time to place blame anywhere but on this administration.
We are where we are. Many people have had hands in putting us where we are.
We need to work together to solve problems. For whatever reason you want to blame, that hasn't happened. Someone needs to step up and say ENOUGH! We're going downhill fast and someone better work together to stop the skid.
Tell me what the heck you're talking about and I would be more than willing to discuss it like reasonable adults.

Short of that you're on your own because I have no idea how my comment caused this knee jerk reaction from you.

“Try Reuters.”

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#97727 Jan 29, 2013
Freespirit8 wrote:
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I hadn't caught up with NTR's post. Thank you though, for the flattering comparison.
I see from today's posts you haven't yet signed up for that reading comprehension course. Hurry, classes are filling quickly!
They had a bad night, and today doesn't look to be much better. They launched a poster sacrifice program, but since he was a new character anyway, it's no biggie. Somebody had to jump off the cliff. Oaky will be back - maybe as Dokie. Who knows?

Late last night, somebody from headquarters attempted to come in and assist a dysfunctional poster who summarily dismissed that kind interventionist as being a "libtard". LOL The absence of logic or even a pause to consider has probably caused Topix to wonder WTF goes on over here.

Anyhow, that brings us to today with the lunatic fringe in super bad moods.:-)

The reality is that they woke up and Obama is still President, Immigration Reform is heating up and not in any kind of acceptable way, since it looks like they're not all going home (I know...we've tried in vain to explain that), and none of the moderate or liberal posters has been driven away or intimidated - much less impressed by the vulgar troll idiots. I suppose this means they're back to plotting and strategizing.

Good evening, Freebie!

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#97728 Jan 29, 2013
Last I heard there was a new plan to link a path to citizenship with increased border security.

Anybody catch Obama's speech today. I was busy and I was wondering if he signed on to the proposal the bipartisan group unveiled yesterday or not.

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Home, sweet home.

#97729 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
You forgot about the repeal of Don't Ask Don't tell.
No, that was a flawed policy thanks to Clinton.

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Jaxxon wrote:
Gay and Lesbian Americans are now serving openly and with their honor intact. Does that count as a failure in your world too?
They always have; UCMJ hasn't changed. Sodomy is still a war crime.

What's the cost in life? Suicide rates are too high, combat deaths continue. Let's wait and see.

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Jaxxon wrote:
For those of us who have served it's one of the most important advancements toward equality in recent memory.
I disagree, the most important advancement was the brave work done in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and the rest of the free world. Ending 'DADT' is just propaganda.

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Jaxxon wrote:
I was just wondering how you view that achievement in light of your other "complaints". Success or failure?
I'm against turning our military into a social experiment. They have one standard; victory. Serving as openly gay doesn't impress me; honorable service impresses.

Time will tell.

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#97730 Jan 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, that was a flawed policy thanks to Clinton.

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Jaxxon wrote, "Gay and Lesbian Americans are now serving openly and with their honor intact. Does that count as a failure in your world too?"

They always have; UCMJ hasn't changed. Sodomy is still a war crime.

What's the cost in life? Suicide rates are too high, combat deaths continue. Let's wait and see.

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Jaxxon wrote, "For those of us who have served it's one of the most important advancements toward equality in recent memory."

I disagree, the most important advancement was the brave work done in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and the rest of the free world. Ending 'DADT' is just propaganda.

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Jaxxon wrote, "I was just wondering how you view that achievement in light of your other "complaints". Success or failure?"

I'm against turning our military into a social experiment. They have one standard; victory. Serving as openly gay doesn't impress me; honorable service impresses.

Time will tell.
In God We Trust!!
The Bible doesn't approve of that type of life style. But as far as the military? Let them serve their country with pride!!!

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The Burbs, USA

#97731 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
Dear judge-it troll. The theft of tax dollars from taxpayers and the funneling of those tax dollars up to corporations (BANKS) is not off topic. We have a right to expect our tax contributions are used to benefit those we intend to benefit - NOT the BANKS or other corporations. That is what being fiscally conservative means - expecting frugal spending, not further using tax dollars for CORPORATE welfare.
If you read the article (I'm sure you didn't), you'd have found that some of the states, themselves, have bought into this bank card program rather than cut paper checks or making the set up of bank accounts easy for those unemployment benefits.
"Thimk".
THINK? Me thinks some of these dummies voted against President Obama with Judge-its. They really think those Crib Abacus toy icons make a difference. Maybe them Big-Brain Topix Suits did come up with something so outlandishly ridiculous that it did work on them fanatical anti O's!

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#97732 Jan 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, that was a flawed policy thanks to Clinton.
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<quoted text>They always have; UCMJ hasn't changed. Sodomy is still a war crime.
What's the cost in life? Suicide rates are too high, combat deaths continue. Let's wait and see.
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<quoted text>I disagree, the most important advancement was the brave work done in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and the rest of the free world. Ending 'DADT' is just propaganda.
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<quoted text>I'm against turning our military into a social experiment. They have one standard; victory. Serving as openly gay doesn't impress me; honorable service impresses.
Time will tell.
Uhmmm...Sodomy is not a war crime. Wrong term.

Gay and lesbian Americans have always served but they have not always served openly and if they were found out they were dishonorably discharged.

With the repeal of DADT they can serve without fear and with their Honor intact so that's strike number two.

Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya had nothing to do with advancing the equality of American citizens (which was what my comment was about), our military has almost always led the way in social change when it came to the advancement of equality (look up the integration of African-Americans in the armed forces) and I served with honor so you can be impressed and kiss my bu*t at the same time.

Oh, and before I forget. I still remember you from over on the gay threads a year or two ago claiming you were Active Duty posting from Germany before you decided to drop that charade so let's keep it real okay?

Have a nice one.

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ANON PROXY PUZZIE LOCATER

Canyon Country, CA

#97733 Jan 29, 2013
Judge-it Troll wrote:
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Soooo, is "Wild Irish Rose" your full birth name or did you have it legally change to that?
BTW, don't bother calling me names, cuz I'm the one in control here.
As soon as posters ignore you and see you as the Leper you are. You'll be just another Flash in the Bedpan.

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#97734 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>They had a bad night, and today doesn't look to be much better. They launched a poster sacrifice program, but since he was a new character anyway, it's no biggie. Somebody had to jump off the cliff. Oaky will be back - maybe as Dokie. Who knows?
Late last night, somebody from headquarters attempted to come in and assist a dysfunctional poster who summarily dismissed that kind interventionist as being a "libtard". LOL The absence of logic or even a pause to consider has probably caused Topix to wonder WTF goes on over here.
Anyhow, that brings us to today with the lunatic fringe in super bad moods.:-)
The reality is that they woke up and Obama is still President, Immigration Reform is heating up and not in any kind of acceptable way, since it looks like they're not all going home (I know...we've tried in vain to explain that), and none of the moderate or liberal posters has been driven away or intimidated - much less impressed by the vulgar troll idiots. I suppose this means they're back to plotting and strategizing.
Good evening, Freebie!
That was a pretty good recap.

Btw..it got kind of quiet in here. Did somebody finally fumigate the place or what?
JUDGE DREDD

Canyon Country, CA

#97735 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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That was a pretty good recap.
Btw..it got kind of quiet in here. Did somebody finally fumigate the place or what?
The Judge-it trolls tallywhacker went berserk, he mistakely gave it a viagra and went out with a stiff neck.

“Peace”

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#97736 Jan 29, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>I really can't say if she did or not, and I certainly can't figure out why she got ticked at me, but that's okay, it's a new day. No problem. Schools have an awesome responsiblity to do what's best for the kids, and do encourage reasonable parental interaction, but those parents need to understand that the slightest thing can throw a reasonably productive day into a tizzy when things like a child not getting the food he/she ordered occurs, or drooling over his/her nieghbor's fast food. I have given up some of my lunch to try to lessen a child's distress. We all have done that when the need arose! You know, sometimes new folks come on these threads loaded for bear, until they get their feet wet. I know I did. Some of us change and grow and move on. With time, this should all be smoothed out. At least I hope so.
We always can have hope.

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#97737 Jan 29, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>I still have a problem with that, because why didn't those tthat were heere 30 years take advantage of the '86 amnesty? Birthright citizennship has to be addressed, as Rubio says they can't get welfare, etc., but their American born kids will be able to add more with their entitlements, so somebody isn't being honest with us.
Teddy take a look at the Dream Act. The Government takes a age limit they have taken from out of the air. Leaving all those over the age limit out of luck. Within thier legalization plans they always seem to put in pitfalls that just leave some out of the equation. That is why many of those that have been here for many years are left out. That's why they continue to be here without documentation.

“Try Reuters.”

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#97738 Jan 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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That was a pretty good recap.
Btw..it got kind of quiet in here. Did somebody finally fumigate the place or what?
I'm reluctant to answer;-) But, you can probably tell by how many nasty judge-its I get in the next few minutes.

What do you think of the President's immigration proposal? Personally, I don't see anything in these proposals that does one thing for the American and legal immigrant workers they replaced, and what in these formulas is designed to discourage others from coming to wait for their turns? Securing the border(s) only prevents 60% of the problem - even if you believe we can successfully block border jumpers, and I don't think we can in the first place. What's the plan for th 40% who enter on legal visas and never go home again? Last, this TGW program for jobs Americans "just won't do" is also disingenuous. That guarantees wages will stay in the toilet, because Americans just won't do jobs that pay less than a survivable wage - if they have any choice. If not, they're still competing for a race to the lowest possible wage.

At any rate, I'm not happy because it's not very different than we did last time, and now there are at least 11-12 more people here illegally. What's going to stop that from happening again going forward?
Rico

Los Angeles, CA

#97739 Jan 29, 2013
Immigration Reform.... round 2!!!!

“Try Reuters.”

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#97741 Jan 29, 2013
Rico wrote:
Immigration Reform.... round 2!!!!
What do you think, Rico? Do you like the proposals?

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Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#97742 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm reluctant to answer;-) But, you can probably tell by how many nasty judge-its I get in the next few minutes.
What do you think of the President's immigration proposal? Personally, I don't see anything in these proposals that does one thing for the American and legal immigrant workers they replaced, and what in these formulas is designed to discourage others from coming to wait for their turns? Securing the border(s) only prevents 60% of the problem - even if you believe we can successfully block border jumpers, and I don't think we can in the first place. What's the plan for th 40% who enter on legal visas and never go home again? Last, this TGW program for jobs Americans "just won't do" is also disingenuous. That guarantees wages will stay in the toilet, because Americans just won't do jobs that pay less than a survivable wage - if they have any choice. If not, they're still competing for a race to the lowest possible wage.
At any rate, I'm not happy because it's not very different than we did last time, and now there are at least 11-12 more people here illegally. What's going to stop that from happening again going forward?
Nothing is going to stop it from happening next time. It's 1986 all over again.

What needs to be done is pass some reassurance such as welfare reform for future illegal aliens. No welfare for future kids born to Illegal aliens becuase there should be a change to the 14th's citizenship clause. Stiffer penalties for employers hiring illegal aliens as wells as holding owners & CEO's accountable this time around. There are plenty of other ways to degauss the magnet effects but I'm not in the mood to list them all.

But to simply grant amnesty, give citizenship and not address the magnet effects to why they come in the first place is complete bullsh*t and will only leave the door open to another 10-20 million for future generations to deal with and that is wrong.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

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Gangland, North America

#97743 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>What do you think, Rico? Do you like the proposals?
I have only seen the tv... I just got home and settling in. I know nothing of what's proposed yet.
Lock N Load

Riverside, CA

#97744 Jan 29, 2013
WATCHDOGS TODAY: Secret government study exposes infiltration attempts by Mexican drug cartels
January 29, 2013 | 1:47 pm | Modified: January 29, 2013 at 1:50 pm

An internal study for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security describes 15 incidents in which known associates of Mexican drug cartels tried to inflitrate the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency, according to the Center for Investigative Reporting.

The same study detailed "turf battles, internal dysfunction and other troubles" that have hobbled the agency in its efforts "to get a handle on corruption and other misconduct within its ranks," CIR said.

The internal study was conducted by the Homeland Securities and Analysis Institute, which is an internal think tank for DHS. The study has been kept under wraps for more than a year, according to CIR. The study's authors said there may have been many more attempts by drug cartels to infiltrate the U.S. government in addition to the 15 discussed in their document.

"As part of lie detector tests, prospective hires have admitted to drug trafficking, human smuggling and other illegal activity, according to examples the agency previously provided to the Center for Investigative Reporting," CIR said.

"One applicant told examiners that he smuggled 230 people across the border and shuttled drug dealers around border towns so they could conduct their business," CIR said. "Another admitted to various crimes, including transporting $700,000 in drug money and 50 kilograms of cocaine across the Southwest border."

A total of 146 agency officers and agents have been charged with or convicted of corruption-related offenses since Oct. 1, 2004. Among the offenses charged were accepting bribes to allow drugs to enter the U.S. and stealing tax money.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/watchdogs-today...
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Riverside, CA

#97746 Jan 29, 2013
Five reasons Republicans won't win Latino voters with immigration reform

If the GOP has decided to embrace immigration reform to bolster its electoral chances with Hispanic voters, it should think again

Harry J Enten
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 29 January 2013 13.30 GMT

Republicans may feel electoral pressure to vote for comprehensive immigration reform. They shouldn't at least in the short term. Latino voters are Democrats, and Republicans would gain little even by making a 180-degree turn on immigration reform in the next 15 years. Here are five reasons why.

Read More: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/...

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#97747 Jan 29, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm reluctant to answer;-) But, you can probably tell by how many nasty judge-its I get in the next few minutes.
What do you think of the President's immigration proposal? Personally, I don't see anything in these proposals that does one thing for the American and legal immigrant workers they replaced, and what in these formulas is designed to discourage others from coming to wait for their turns? Securing the border(s) only prevents 60% of the problem - even if you believe we can successfully block border jumpers, and I don't think we can in the first place. What's the plan for th 40% who enter on legal visas and never go home again? Last, this TGW program for jobs Americans "just won't do" is also disingenuous. That guarantees wages will stay in the toilet, because Americans just won't do jobs that pay less than a survivable wage - if they have any choice. If not, they're still competing for a race to the lowest possible wage.
At any rate, I'm not happy because it's not very different than we did last time, and now there are at least 11-12 more people here illegally. What's going to stop that from happening again going forward?
I'm kind of in agreement with you and Rico (saw his post before I replied to this one).

I don't see enough to stop the flow of illegal immigration and I don't like the idea of a path to citizenship at all.

It just seems like after all this time arguing about it both sides are so eager to get immigration off the table that no one is willing to the hard work of thinking the thing all the way through.

Getting the illegal workforce documented is a positive step even though there will be a negative impact on wages, but if we're going to be stuck with a path to citizenship (which it looks like we are) I would like to see more effort put into reducing the number of new arrivals.

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