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Are Mexican people really Native Americans?

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zanoni wrote:
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I agree with you. The Meso American people are not the same as the Native Americans of the present day USA. You're dealing with two very distinct people.
If we're talking about full-blooded people here then, they've very much more closely related to each other on a genetic basis than certain European groups are to each other.

Todays labeling has included even mixed people to be called "Native American". Until you take genetic tests and then compare full-blooded people, one should not judge too soon. Sure, there will be differences; even in Mayan ancient art there is seen to be some differences (very dark brown skin compared to light brown skin - nose shape, lip shape, etc.) in the way which certain groups looked but, they were still closely related to each other; they're still all original indigenous "Americans".

There's diversity in all groups of people - tall, short, etc.
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Jul 26, 2013
 
"...they're* very much..."
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Anti-Fascism wrote:
The Mexicans with a large amount of indigenous blood / genetics, yes. They are largely mixed with or are full blooded "Native American". Mexico is in North America anyway, for those even arguing whether they're "North American Natives" - which is pretty silly, anyway.
How about North Europe and South Europe?
Sure, they differ [genetically] to a degree (much more so than all indigenous people in the Americas, actually) but, I rarely ever hear about people splitting them up much (exceptions aside) in the U.S.- you only really hear "Oh, you're from Europe?" - "Oh, you're European"? etc.
It doesn't matter if you get some tribe living in a South American jungle or a tribe living in Alaska, they're still very closely related on a genetic scale; they're all the *original* Native Americans.
This goes beyond any silly definition from the U.S. federal government.
Let's not be so arrogant and ignorant to dare think we know exactly where many tribes only now found in Mexico today, could've been up north more before the Europeans invaded and slaughtered them, then stole their land. They most likely were also scattered farther up north into many southern U.S. States, not just in current-day Mexico.
Many people don't want to acknowledge this because of the whole illegal immigrant issue today and they'd not want to let them have access to reservations, or they don't want to look at them with the same respect they look at whom they currently do consider only "Native American" in the U.S. today, of whom many of these white people claim to have some ancestry from hundreds of years ago.
Well, sometimes the truth hurts at first, because we're living a lie in our mind. Over time, you'll open up and get used to it, then it won't hurt anymore.:-)
So again, if they do have any genes which are *originally* indigenous to the "Americas" then yes, they're mixed with Native American.
You can call them "Mexican" all you want, it still will not change the *scientific* fact. Try as hard as you want, it'll only be in vain.
What about Eastern Europeans and Western Europeans, yank?
Here's the dilly...don't mention things you know nothing about and I won't laugh at your poor breeding and ignorance.
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David wrote:
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What about Eastern Europeans and Western Europeans, yank?
Here's the dilly...don't mention things you know nothing about and I won't laugh at your poor breeding and ignorance.
I just used my example to keep it simple and quick. You did not counter my points with anything logical so for you to even act like you've won this argument is quite comical.

Come back when you have a point to be made with a sound argument backing it.
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Anti-Fascism wrote:
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I just used my example to keep it simple and quick. You did not counter my points with anything logical so for you to even act like you've won this argument is quite comical.
Come back when you have a point to be made with a sound argument backing it.
Funny that.
I wasn't aware I was in a competition with you.
No.

You mentioned "North Europe and South Europe" which I found quite odd in relevance to the issues you yanks seem to be having in the context of this thread.

The only points of yours I cared to counter I already did.
You're a landlocked imbecile who doesn't sport the knowledge or intelligent to engage in universal debate.

Have a good life, y'all.
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Jul 26, 2013
 
*intelligence
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Madison wrote:
Let's just do a little poll and see what most Americans think on this subject.
I for one don't believe for one minute they're any kin to the Native Americans of the Untited States.
This is a basic breakdown of ethnic groups in Mexico:

mestizo (Amerindian-Spanish) 60%, Amerindian or predominantly Amerindian 30%, white 9%, other 1%
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Anti-Fascism wrote:
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If we're talking about full-blooded people here then, they've very much more closely related to each other on a genetic basis than certain European groups are to each other.
Todays labeling has included even mixed people to be called "Native American". Until you take genetic tests and then compare full-blooded people, one should not judge too soon. Sure, there will be differences; even in Mayan ancient art there is seen to be some differences (very dark brown skin compared to light brown skin - nose shape, lip shape, etc.) in the way which certain groups looked but, they were still closely related to each other; they're still all original indigenous "Americans".
There's diversity in all groups of people - tall, short, etc.
3 million Indians in U.S. and many are half or less. 30 million Indians in Mexico. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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So many stupid people in here. Try reading and researching before you comment.
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As a Native American some Mexican people have a ancestry in their blood. So maybe yes and no. But why does it matter. It's just a place in the world or a culture what matters is the person. These ignorant people like some you see should be the ones discriminated. So stop asking stupid questions or giving answers that your not sure. And respect one another what are you animals.
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Aug 1, 2013
 
whites collect more welfare than anyone...specifically in the Southern states who also happen to be Republican. I thought Natives knew better. You sound just as racist as the white man. There was a lot of race mixing back then so unless you have personally performed DNA testing on the whole Mexican population you are ignorant. You have black Americans claiming to be Natives since the Olmec heads were discovered in Mexico. They claim to have a claim of this land now. Stop being so mindless and have some respect for other people. In the end you will not get your land back, and you might even lose it if the Republicans dismantle our government. Those rich men may make a new rule to dishonor those land treaties. The ultra rich will make the decisions the, and what will Natives do...you have no military. Many of you are poor...stop being closed minded, and become better. Some of you are so wound up with racist tendencies. You claim not to like white people but you sure have learned well from them. be kind and be humble because you are just making yourselves look like thugs.This who continent was covered with thousands of tribes, so to ignore Mexicans is again ignorant. Many people in Mexico re mixed but not all, just like Natives some of you are mixed.
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ELIMINATE WELFARE. ELIMINATE WIC. ELIMINATE SOCIAL SERVICES AND THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT IN ANY MEXICAN NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGHOUT AMERICA :
http://weathersavvy.com/desert1_OPT.jpg
GUARANTEED!!!
All you ever hear is how Mexicans want this or want that or want this but mainly, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE WELFARE.
Always has been, always will be.
Cockroaches will be cockroaches and no amount of pretending to want rights will change the fact that welfare offices and WIC centers are flooded with illegals.
This is all about the welfare.
At least have some dignity and stop trying to lie to people. A fat Mexican woman with five spawn and one in her belly isn't trying to make a better life for herself or her children, SHE IS MERELY DOING WHAT SHE IS TAUGHT TO DO, LIVE OFF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY LIKE THE PARASITE SHE IS.
Don't lie, don't cover up, it's pathetic at this point with all the REAL statistics backing up American's anger.
Really, it's pathetic. I mean, don't you get tired of defending what is in essence indefensible?
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Actually it's like saying if you're north Chinese or southern Chinese. Mexicans have lots of indigenous blood in them (native American blood).
They may not be the same as northern native americans culturally but the DNA is the same Ameri-Indian.
Like polynesian it has ( Samoan, Fiji, Hawaiian, etc...)
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openmind wrote:
whites collect more welfare than anyone...specifically in the Southern states who also happen to be Republican. I thought Natives knew better. You sound just as racist as the white man. There was a lot of race mixing back then so unless you have personally performed DNA testing on the whole Mexican population you are ignorant. You have black Americans claiming to be Natives since the Olmec heads were discovered in Mexico. They claim to have a claim of this land now. Stop being so mindless and have some respect for other people. In the end you will not get your land back, and you might even lose it if the Republicans dismantle our government. Those rich men may make a new rule to dishonor those land treaties. The ultra rich will make the decisions the, and what will Natives do...you have no military. Many of you are poor...stop being closed minded, and become better. Some of you are so wound up with racist tendencies. You claim not to like white people but you sure have learned well from them. be kind and be humble because you are just making yourselves look like thugs.This who continent was covered with thousands of tribes, so to ignore Mexicans is again ignorant. Many people in Mexico re mixed but not all, just like Natives some of you are mixed. <quoted text>
You're not very informed if you think 'the other side'(Democrats) genuinely care "for the poor", as well. There is a criminal elite on every side in the big fascist government, and they don't care about "minorities" or anyone else based on genetics - they only care about their financial wealth and power over all people, no matter their background.

The longer people keep fighting over sides, the longer they'll remain blind to the criminal elite playing ALL of us like pawns.

Try opening your mind to that reality, then maybe you'll be a bit more worthy of your nickname... just a little bit more.
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Anti-Fascism wrote:
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You're not very informed if you think 'the other side'(Democrats) genuinely care "for the poor", as well. There is a criminal elite on every side in the big fascist government, and they don't care about "minorities" or anyone else based on genetics - they only care about their financial wealth and power over all people, no matter their background.
The longer people keep fighting over sides, the longer they'll remain blind to the criminal elite playing ALL of us like pawns.
Try opening your mind to that reality, then maybe you'll be a bit more worthy of your nickname... just a little bit more.
it's not as complicated as you say. very simple really.

it basically comes down to who is on this side of the border and those on the other side.

no more. no less.

the invaders want to make it confusing. "divide and conquer". but it doesn't usually work when those on the defensive expect it coming.
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NightOwl wrote:
Native "CENTRAL" American.
NOT Native "North" American.
American nonetheless
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zanoni wrote:
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You'd be surpised to know how much a part of the USA Mexico really is. Specially in the south west.
Asians are credited for being smart. But there's always an exception to the rule. You're the exception. You're not smart.
me not smart? you cannot even believe that an asian guy could be an american. and you say I'm not smart?

you make me laugh.

and you think we in the usa should allow such stupid people like you to become citizens??? why?

bottomline...

where's the logic of granting citizenship to 50+ MILLION non-citizens who have absolutely no desire to assimilate? to pledge allegiance to the usa?
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Aug 11, 2013
 
zanoni wrote:
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Maybe not your tribe. But I know many others that do accept Mexicans as being like them.
if they accept them as their own, then, why don't they allow them to join their ranks and share in the money from the casinos?

bottomline, the illegals have absolutely no business being in the usa.
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Grant me citizenship? Duh, I dunno.
"non-citizens who have absolutely no desire to assimilate?" Do you know this for certain? Or is it your opinion? If you know this for certain I want to see stats and facts.
the issue here are the numbers..

you pro-illegals/illegals push for an open amnesty. and those of us who care about the usa know that we can only sustain so many new citizens each year.

to go beyond our limits would destroy our way of life.

seriously, with an open amnesty, what the pro-illegals are pushing for is an amnesty that has no limit. anyone who is not a citizen of the usa could apply for it. and there is really no way to prove one to be qualified because there are essentially no records available to confirm eligibility for the amnesty. the real danger which could bring in 100+ million.

hell, we already have double digit unemployment. where's the logic of allowing more in when we're not able to support whom we have now?

on assimilation..

on many fronts, one can see that these illegals don't want to assimilate.

for one thing, they don't want to learn english. another thing, a poll was taken in mexico. the results were 68% of those polled said the usa took the southwestern states from mexico, and they want the land back. is this assimilation?

but then, I'm sure you already know about all this. right?

let's not forget the bullshit from mecha, la raza, bill richardson, juan hernandez and a whole host of other hispanics opening up their big mouths about taking over the usa.

quote, "for the race EVERYTHING. outside the race NOTHING."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movimiento_Estud...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raza_Unida_Party
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://americanpatrol.com/FEATURES/010608NIGH...
http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/rel/at...
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/RICHA...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

no. logic dictates NO AMNESTY.
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zanoni wrote:
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Because they're not tribe members. I didn't say Mexicans are tribe members.
more importantly, they are not citizens of the usa.

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#2981
Aug 12, 2013
 
Most of them are either mixed breeds or full blooded natives. A small portion is white and even smaller are black and mulatto.

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