Are Mexican people really Native Amer...

Are Mexican people really Native Americans?

Created by Madison on Apr 4, 2008

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#1 Apr 4, 2008
Let's just do a little poll and see what most Americans think on this subject.

I for one don't believe for one minute they're any kin to the Native Americans of the Untited States.

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PSL

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#2 Apr 4, 2008
Mexicans are citizens of Mexico doesn't matter if they are native americans.
NightOwl

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Apr 4, 2008
Native "CENTRAL" American.
NOT Native "North" American.

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Kulturkampf

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#4 Apr 4, 2008
Native American, in a strict sense, would be any person who has absolutely no ancestors from Europe, Africa, or Asia (at least for the last 14,600 years).

In a more inclusive way, and using the Federal government's lame definition, a Native American is anyone who meets the above condition, i.e. full-blooded ancestors with roots on the continent for thousands of years, with the additional condition that half of your ancestors could come from anywhere else (Europe, Africa, 15th Century Asia, etc).

Full-blooded Native Americans fall under the second category, while Mexicans have a significant segment in the first, and a huge segment in the second category. Many tribes have representatives on both sides of the border. The Apache were well-known in Mexico long before the Mexican-American War. The word "Pueblo" means "town" in Spanish. Northern Mexico was still open to Southwestern North American Indian tribes for a long time before the Mexican American War.

An example of a tribe that originated in Mexico but is currently found here are the Yaquis ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaqui_Indians ). There are plenty of border tribes that can still be found on both sides.

The response to the question whether Mexicans are really native Americans is "no." Mexican is a nationality which comprises Native Americans sill found in Mexico in addition to others who may or may not carry any Native lineage whatsoever. Then, what exactly are some people implying when they claim Native American ancestry for Mexicans? Basically, something that Americans don't understand because of slavery. Many plantation owners "bred" with their female slaves and NEVER recognized the offspring. These "well-respected Christian scions of society" of the time broke just about every biblical rule on slavery in the Bible. This is why it is okay to deny any blood-relations with the offspring of, back then, slaves, and today, people of color, especially if they are black. The European religion brought to Mexico was Catholicism. It doesn't forgive sex outside of marriage and it holds the parent fully responsible for the offsrpring, that the skin is darker than crude oil is notwithstanding. Even royalty had to pull some scam when siring illegitimate children. King Phillip of Spain sired over 11 illegitimate children. These were often made to join the priesthood or become nuns, thus renouncing such worldly things like, say, a Royal Throne. Therefore, what you have here is that, since Native Americans are the only people capable of claiming any absolute right to stay here, assuming someone seriously wants to deport EVERYONE whose ancestors were not here before Columbus' Bloods and Crips showed up, anyone whose family trees contain at least a few of these well-respected, indigenous people in their family tree might just have a claim versus someone of full European, African, or both, ancestry toward staying here. In other words, it is true. If Native Americans were allowed to decide and they were in a real vindictive mood, a significant amount of people of European, African, and any other ancestry lacking the Native element of descent would soon be crossing the Atlantic and the Pacific. By the way, the Eskimos are also Native. They, too, can stay.

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#5 Apr 4, 2008
Madison wrote:
Let's just do a little poll and see what most Americans think on this subject.
I for one don't believe for one minute they're any kin to the Native Americans of the Untited States.
I don't give a shit if they are,they are NOT getting the USA for Mexico.

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Glory

La Puente, CA

#6 Apr 4, 2008
As a Native American I can tell you without a doubt....they are not accepted by the Tribes as Native American. In fact, Indian people are extremely racist when it comes to Mexican people. Heck, the California tribes are looked down upon by their own people simply because they consider them Mexican.(not my opinion). I had to break up an almost drag out fist fight among 2 friends, 1 from S. Dakota and the other from here. The S.D. one called the other a Mexican simply because of her last name. The only reason the Indian people from Southern California have "Hispanic" last names is because the Missionarys gave it to them.

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#7 Apr 4, 2008
Glory wrote:
As a Native American I can tell you without a doubt....they are not accepted by the Tribes as Native American. In fact, Indian people are extremely racist when it comes to Mexican people. Heck, the California tribes are looked down upon by their own people simply because they consider them Mexican.(not my opinion). I had to break up an almost drag out fist fight among 2 friends, 1 from S. Dakota and the other from here. The S.D. one called the other a Mexican simply because of her last name. The only reason the Indian people from Southern California have "Hispanic" last names is because the Missionarys gave it to them.
I agree.
My brother used to work with a man who is full blood Cherokee,and he would get fighting mad if someone called him a Mexican.
Most all Native Americans have surnames that are European of some kind,even Mexican surnames are Spanish.

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#8 Apr 4, 2008
Indyeast wrote:
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I don't give a shit if they are,they are NOT getting the USA for Mexico.
I don't either.
I just thought this would be interesting to see what people thought.
I think that there are very few tribes that lived on both sides of the border,and as some claim to be Aztec and the southwestern U.S. belongs to them I don't agree with that at all.
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#9 Apr 4, 2008
Madison wrote:
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I agree.
My brother used to work with a man who is full blood Cherokee,and he would get fighting mad if someone called him a Mexican.
Most all Native Americans have surnames that are European of some kind,even Mexican surnames are Spanish.
Not the Native Americans in NM and AZ. Most of them have Spanish surnames.
Kulturkampf

Lakewood, NJ

#10 Apr 4, 2008
There is a 99.99% that a person who accuses a Native American of being Mexican is prejudiced against both Natives and Mexicans. People forget that last names were first carried by royalty, the reason being that they also carried the titles that allow them to collect taxes from those cities, counties, etc. To this day you can find common ordinary people around the world who go by a single name, no middle or last. Last names identify nothing. Never did. Ask any Smith, Jones, Johnson, Rodriguez, Sanchez, Gonzalez, etc., etc,., etc. Even when a hypen is inserted between names, they mean NOTHING. Once that couple starts to reproduce, the name becomes too common. Another thing about last names is that most of them were nicknames. You're better off known as Mike the Lefty than Mike Smith. Everybody knows Lefty.
Kulturkampf

Lakewood, NJ

#11 Apr 4, 2008
Many Filipinos also have Spanish surnames, which brings up the question,"And....?"
Kulturkampf

Lakewood, NJ

#12 Apr 4, 2008
The bottom line is that, whatever your ancestry, if your parents didn't tell you, it's like you have no ancestry. How do you think two guys like Kunta Kinte and Hulk Hogan might turn out to be related?

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#13 Apr 4, 2008
Know who you are wrote:
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Not the Native Americans in NM and AZ. Most of them have Spanish surnames.
I'am not disagreeing with you but,Spain is part of Europe.
Glory

La Puente, CA

#14 Apr 4, 2008
Actually there is a Geneological (misspelled) DNA test that people can take that will determine up to a 100% what ancestry flows through your veins. The test can tell you what percentage E. European, W. European, Asian, Native American, and South American that you are. They did this test on the San Diego police department and came up with some startling results. A blue eyed blond (surfer chick), had Asian, Native American, and Eastern Euro. blood. Another had a "Hispanic" last name, grew up in a home that spoke Spanish, actually had Native American and Eastern European blood, not one drop of Latin American...interesting isn't it?

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#16 Apr 4, 2008
Kulturkampf wrote:
The bottom line is that, whatever your ancestry, if your parents didn't tell you, it's like you have no ancestry. How do you think two guys like Kunta Kinte and Hulk Hogan might turn out to be related?
Now that's scary.LOL

I know what you mean about parents not telling you about your ancestry.I was told that my parental great-grandmother was full blood Cherokee,but my grandfather would never tell you that even though you could take one look at him and see it.I also know I have Native American blood on my maternal side.My mother said her dad told her that his mother collected a government check because she was Native American,but that's all he would tell her,and they where moved from Ohio to Oklahoma.The older people around here didn't talk about things like that because of prejudice.Some took German names,and claimed to be Black Dutch.

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#17 Apr 4, 2008
Glory wrote:
Actually there is a Geneological (misspelled) DNA test that people can take that will determine up to a 100% what ancestry flows through your veins. The test can tell you what percentage E. European, W. European, Asian, Native American, and South American that you are. They did this test on the San Diego police department and came up with some startling results. A blue eyed blond (surfer chick), had Asian, Native American, and Eastern Euro. blood. Another had a "Hispanic" last name, grew up in a home that spoke Spanish, actually had Native American and Eastern European blood, not one drop of Latin American...interesting isn't it?
Yes very interesting.I hear the test is very expensive or I would have it done.

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Since: Jul 07

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#18 Apr 4, 2008
Glory wrote:
As a Native American I can tell you without a doubt....they are not accepted by the Tribes as Native American. In fact, Indian people are extremely racist when it comes to Mexican people. Heck, the California tribes are looked down upon by their own people simply because they consider them Mexican.(not my opinion). I had to break up an almost drag out fist fight among 2 friends, 1 from S. Dakota and the other from here. The S.D. one called the other a Mexican simply because of her last name. The only reason the Indian people from Southern California have "Hispanic" last names is because the Missionarys gave it to them.
Hit it right on the nose Glory.
Kulturkampf

Lakewood, NJ

#19 Apr 4, 2008
To all the people who gave me spam, peanuts, and lemons: Thanks. I was really hungry.

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Since: Jul 07

Checotah, Oklahoma

#20 Apr 4, 2008
Know who you are wrote:
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Not the Native Americans in NM and AZ. Most of them have Spanish surnames.
Most that I know from Az. and NM. use traditional names, like the man that I quoted on another thread. He is a Mescalero Apache man named Fly Eagle.

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Since: Jul 07

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#21 Apr 4, 2008
Kulturkampf wrote:
The bottom line is that, whatever your ancestry, if your parents didn't tell you, it's like you have no ancestry. How do you think two guys like Kunta Kinte and Hulk Hogan might turn out to be related?
Like Barrack Obama and Brad Pitt? That's what I heard anyway...

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