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Senators Reach Agreement On Overhauling Immigration

There are 584 comments on the National Public Radio story from Jan 28, 2013, titled Senators Reach Agreement On Overhauling Immigration. In it, National Public Radio reports that:

A bipartisan group of leading senators has reached agreement on the principles of sweeping legislation to rewrite the nation's immigration laws.

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#105 Jan 30, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
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The United States Constitution states exactly that.....You aren't left to your imagination...... Sounds as if you have never read the U.S Constitution.
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
personally, I think the amendment was misinterpreted.

but hey. get this. the good news....

if we the people don't like it, we can change it. right?

that is why we have "amendments" for. you know?

in fact, overnight... if we are fed up with anchor babies and their whining, we can change the laws and deport their asses back to where their parents are. PRONTO!

you don't have to believe me on this. just go talk to the aclu.

another thing you illegals need to consider... executive orders work both ways. after the current government leaves office, a pro-american government can invoke an executive order to expel all illegals. all the laws that we need to push this through are already in the books.

don't believe me? google constitution free zone. search and seizure laws circumvent privacy issues.

all that needs to be done is to enforce them.

operation wetback 2 coming up. I can't wait.

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#106 Jan 30, 2013
Every time something bad happens, a certain group/groups of people march. Often bussing others in for the event.

I'd like to suggest a march on Washington by gun owners.For gun owners. Imagine 100,000 armed citizen militiamen and women.

Make them listen to us for a change. Look at the courage the Syrian, the Egyptian and yes even Chinese collage students showed their government.

Why are Americans so afraid? Are we not supposed to be brave? Instead of cattle?

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#107 Jan 30, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
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personally, I think the amendment was misinterpreted.
but hey. get this. the good news....
if we the people don't like it, we can change it. right?
that is why we have "amendments" for. you know?
in fact, overnight... if we are fed up with anchor babies and their whining, we can change the laws and deport their asses back to where their parents are. PRONTO!
you don't have to believe me on this. just go talk to the aclu.
another thing you illegals need to consider... executive orders work both ways. after the current government leaves office, a pro-american government can invoke an executive order to expel all illegals. all the laws that we need to push this through are already in the books.
don't believe me? google constitution free zone. search and seizure laws circumvent privacy issues.
all that needs to be done is to enforce them.
operation wetback 2 coming up. I can't wait.
That's why we'll keep electing Dems to the White House with the help of Hispanics!

Maybe in 2024 or 2028 you'll get a realistic chance to put a Republican in the White House again, but by then all the illegals will be citizens!

Oh, just missed it.......

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#108 Jan 30, 2013
Ed Teach wrote:
Every time something bad happens, a certain group/groups of people march. Often bussing others in for the event.
I'd like to suggest a march on Washington by gun owners.For gun owners. Imagine 100,000 armed citizen militiamen and women.
Make them listen to us for a change. Look at the courage the Syrian, the Egyptian and yes even Chinese collage students showed their government.
Why are Americans so afraid? Are we not supposed to be brave? Instead of cattle?
We The Sheeple are too fat & lazy to bother. They'd rather sit on their couch drinking beer........
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#109 Jan 30, 2013
It exactly says that.

AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States

"in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,"

Includes all territories of the Islands of Hawaii and the South Pacific Islands as well as, Pureto Rico, and the Virgin Islands in the Carribbean , those residents are American Citizens.
A Nnoyed wrote:
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Criminally sneaking over a border wouldn't make them subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, it would make them a trespasser.
If they intended for someone to be allowed to stick their fanny through a hole in a fence to drop their baby on the other side to citizenship, they would have simply written "All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States"
SCOTUS judges vote their politics, not the constitution. Then somehow write up a bit of waffle on their reasons to make it sound justified. Yet 5-4 is the usual vote on contentious issues all the time. With 9 explanations why.
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#110 Jan 30, 2013
How do you deport an American Citizen from America?

We are a nation of Laws that protect Citizens from Government decisions.

Isn't that part of your argument?

Of course the constitution contains a provision to amend. It takes a 3/4 Majority to Amend.

Do you have a proposal you think 3/4 of the population will support?
Asian Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
personally, I think the amendment was misinterpreted.
but hey. get this. the good news....
if we the people don't like it, we can change it. right?
that is why we have "amendments" for. you know?
in fact, overnight... if we are fed up with anchor babies and their whining, we can change the laws and deport their asses back to where their parents are. PRONTO!
you don't have to believe me on this. just go talk to the aclu.
another thing you illegals need to consider... executive orders work both ways. after the current government leaves office, a pro-american government can invoke an executive order to expel all illegals. all the laws that we need to push this through are already in the books.
don't believe me? google constitution free zone. search and seizure laws circumvent privacy issues.
all that needs to be done is to enforce them.
operation wetback 2 coming up. I can't wait.
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#111 Jan 30, 2013
You guys can protest all you want, but nobody works cheaper than an Immigrant. Some of you with out training and skills are just going to have to work for peanuts, or compete against those immigrants. Legally or not, they are going to be here.

Especially in States where they have wrecked worker rights laws. This has been developing over the last 23 years through out the South.

Get on board or get off, but that train has left the Station, and some Republicans, like John McCain and Rubio recognize they need cheap labor and those votes to be relevant again in Campaigns.
dwg

Everett, MA

#112 Jan 30, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
personally, I think the amendment was misinterpreted.
but hey. get this. the good news....
if we the people don't like it, we can change it. right?
that is why we have "amendments" for. you know?
in fact, overnight... if we are fed up with anchor babies and their whining, we can change the laws and deport their asses back to where their parents are. PRONTO!
you don't have to believe me on this. just go talk to the aclu.
another thing you illegals need to consider... executive orders work both ways. after the current government leaves office, a pro-american government can invoke an executive order to expel all illegals. all the laws that we need to push this through are already in the books.
don't believe me? google constitution free zone. search and seizure laws circumvent privacy issues.
all that needs to be done is to enforce them.
operation wetback 2 coming up. I can't wait.
I saw ,...you hate this people just because they not have properly papers, and for sure I will let you know that is not a game 50/50.

For sure it is about people in a country with democracy and here nothing actually work with this kind of spirit.

Your life is miserable if you not start shift your brutality for accept our reality.

People came here for real freedom first, work hard, take care their family, and root their lifes.

Again it is not a game Sam

Thanks

Dwg
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#113 Jan 30, 2013
Do you doubt that in Washington DC any day of the week there aren't maybe a 100,000 people armed on those Streets? You do know there is more in Washington than the Capital and White House, right?
Ed Teach wrote:
Every time something bad happens, a certain group/groups of people march. Often bussing others in for the event.
I'd like to suggest a march on Washington by gun owners.For gun owners. Imagine 100,000 armed citizen militiamen and women.
Make them listen to us for a change. Look at the courage the Syrian, the Egyptian and yes even Chinese collage students showed their government.
Why are Americans so afraid? Are we not supposed to be brave? Instead of cattle?
Chicopee

Danbury, CT

#114 Jan 30, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
That's a broad stroke to paint the Mexican and Central American Immigrants with, how about the 4.5 Million from other countries in the world? Some Mexicans who lives in places like Texas and the Southwestern Territory States before America's purchase of the area, have lived on those lands for hundreds of years before there was an America or Texas.
The land that is Texas was populated only because the Mexicans invited people to live in Northern Mexico.
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Just about every country in the world has been reconfigured, has pushed out native populations, ensaved or destroyed native populations, or been taken over by a stronger neighbor and been assimilated into a different culture.
Like it or not, that's the way of the world and of mankind.
But for the record, Mexico invited settlers to the territory now known as Texas to fight off the native population that were making it difficult for settlers from Mexico to settle in those territories. Mexico didn't have the means, the numbers or the ability to conquer those natives on their own.
The native tribes were also fighting among themselves, as tribes from northern regions relocated to that area to escape the European settlers that had taken over their native territiories.
You can learn all about by cracking open any history book on the region. Of course, this will enlighten you to the fact that it wasn't only white Europeans making war with American natives. Mexico was doing the same thing.
It's the way of the world and the way of mankind.
Chicopee

Danbury, CT

#115 Jan 30, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
America has always been a land of immigrants and Immigration evolved as America became more civilized. In a system such as America, Immigrants and the exploitation of Immigrants is important to the economic function and success of America.
The GOP fight among themselves will be about that very fact.
When was the last time one of your Friends or Relatives applied for a job Crop Tending?
More importantly, who among you aren't descended Immigrants?
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My dad did picking and farm work in his youth. Then, he got edumacated and skilled in other trades and moved on.
And sure, I'm decended from immigrants.
The kind that came in legally. The kind that had their names shortened and "Americanized" while waiting in line at Ellis Island, where many were refused entry and sent back to their native countries..
And where did they come from? Several countries. I only have a great grandfather whose family was here before 1890.
And why did they come to America? For opportunity, in some cases. In yet another, they found themselves persecuted and unwelcome, prejudiced against in the land where the generation before them was forced to relocate to, having been driven from their native lands by a conquering King and country. Forcibly relocated. White Europeans. Imagine that.
Were they exploited? If you mean forced to work in menial, back breaking and potentially harmful jobs (Hatmakers=hard work and the term "Madhatter" comes from the madness that results from mercury poisoning), then yes, they were exploited. They also did farm work.
But what choice did they have? Anchor babies and government programs that provided food and housing didn't exist. It was ye olde sink or swim. They swam.
Learning English was the number one priority and one of my great grandmothers was an absolute tyrant about it...it was the only way to get out of the hat factories. Several of them started their own businesses, two which still flourish here today.
They didn't sneak in. They didn't come looking for a hand out. They had a fierce love and loyalty to their adopted country and considered themselves fortunate to be here. Their sons fought in every war since WWI and called themselves Americans-no hyphenation.
Times-and immigration have evolved, to be sure. Not necessarily for the better.
Chicopee

Danbury, CT

#116 Jan 30, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
Do you doubt that in Washington DC any day of the week there aren't maybe a 100,000 people armed on those Streets? You do know there is more in Washington than the Capital and White House, right?
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Residents of DC are NOT allowed to carry concealed weapons, in spite of the Heller decision. DC has some of the most strict gun laws in the country.
Only the police, security personel and our elected officials are allowed armed security.

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#117 Jan 30, 2013
Chicopee wrote:
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Residents of DC are NOT allowed to carry concealed weapons, in spite of the Heller decision. DC has some of the most strict gun laws in the country.
Only the police, security personel and our elected officials are allowed armed security.
He didn't say anything about legally carrying.

It is the same in Chicago, and like Washington, D.C., it has one of the highest rates of gun violence in the country.

I find it absolutely amazing how well gun control works..... on law abiding victims, I mean citizens.
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#118 Jan 31, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
It exactly says that.
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
"in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,"
Includes all territories of the Islands of Hawaii and the South Pacific Islands as well as, Pureto Rico, and the Virgin Islands in the Carribbean , those residents are American Citizens.
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the decree that granted temporary citizenship to puerto ricans was not via the constitution. it was granted via a vote by congress.

do you know the difference?

it's like the executive order. a president can make a law via an executive order. but another president can cancel it. get it?

if you don't know the difference, go do some reading. it'll be good for you. then, you can debate the issues better.
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#119 Jan 31, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
How do you deport an American Citizen from America?
We are a nation of Laws that protect Citizens from Government decisions.
Isn't that part of your argument?
Of course the constitution contains a provision to amend. It takes a 3/4 Majority to Amend.
Do you have a proposal you think 3/4 of the population will support?
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until puerto rico becomes a state of the union, there is still a possibility that they will lose their status as american citizens.

this will happen when they declare independence.

the philippines declared independence back in 1930's. and look at them now. you don't see them going around saying they are american citizens. do you?

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Perpignan

#120 Jan 31, 2013
Billy Ringo wrote:
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Not sure the Constitution mentions McDonalds - or Texas.
Here's a clue. The Constitutions says whatever the US Supreme Court says it does.
No, the constitution says what ever the courts bias says it means.........hence Roe vs. Wade, Social Security and the Departments of Education and the EPA.
Billy Ringo

United States

#121 Jan 31, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>No, the constitution says what ever the courts bias says it means.........hence Roe vs. Wade, Social Security and the Departments of Education and the EPA.
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Yeah, well, that's pretty much what all losers say.
serfs up

Kissimmee, FL

#122 Jan 31, 2013
Billy Ringo wrote:
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Yeah, well, that's pretty much what all losers say.
I don't know your financial status. Rich or poor. There are potions in life worse then poor. When everything is flung at you at the worse that life can be, then we will see if you keep the same attitude. Calling people names and other things while living in a richer nation then most and it used to be the richest while throwing away what we call garbage and others would call a main course, is easy. Most people you disagree with are trying to stop us from losing our wealth. And people who saved who are middle class have taken a beaten with no response from people like you of being wronged. Most of this from government who interfered and screwed them over to keep the facade of paying everyone off going. if you eat out of a garbage can someday and you don't now, you may feel different about many issues, including the immigration one.
Dan Salazar

Long Beach, CA

#123 Jan 31, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
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That makes it convenient for you since you're always on your knees rolling his marbles around your mouth.
Don't think this will have a terrible impact on healthcare availability. In the Blue States where the majority of voters are cowards, fools, and unfit parents like CA the pitiful tax slaves were already forced to spent $6 Billion on free healthcare for Illegals last year alone.
Billy Ringo

Turtle Lake, ND

#124 Jan 31, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> I don't know your financial status. Rich or poor. There are potions in life worse then poor. When everything is flung at you at the worse that life can be, then we will see if you keep the same attitude. Calling people names and other things while living in a richer nation then most and it used to be the richest while throwing away what we call garbage and others would call a main course, is easy. Most people you disagree with are trying to stop us from losing our wealth. And people who saved who are middle class have taken a beaten with no response from people like you of being wronged. Most of this from government who interfered and screwed them over to keep the facade of paying everyone off going. if you eat out of a garbage can someday and you don't now, you may feel different about many issues, including the immigration one.
Somebody has to pay for the trillions of dollars we wasted looking for non existent, imaginary WMD's.

Where do you thing that money came from?

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