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Senators Reach Agreement On Overhauling Immigration

There are 584 comments on the National Public Radio story from Jan 28, 2013, titled Senators Reach Agreement On Overhauling Immigration. In it, National Public Radio reports that:

A bipartisan group of leading senators has reached agreement on the principles of sweeping legislation to rewrite the nation's immigration laws.

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Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#370 Feb 10, 2013
The 14th was passed in 1866, in 1866 there were 33 States.

Jurisdictions simply includes locations such as Washington DC, U.S Virgin Islands and Purteo Rico....... The Amendment was added before the United States numbered 50 States.

Today there are territories and jurisdictions currently debating Statehood.

Maybe if we sent 4th graders to Congress there would not be such misunderstanding of the provisions in the U.S Constitution.
Asian Guy wrote:
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it's not "or", genius.
it's "and".
it reads "guarantee citizenship to anyone born in the usa AND is within our jurisdiction."
a child born to illegal aliens in the usa is NOT within our jurisdiction.
if the parents return to their home country, the usa has no authority to prevent the child from returning with it's parents.
get it?
commonsense for those who are not brain dead.
and as I have said all along... we've got some stupid people on capitol hill that are misinterpreting the laws.
they take the phrase "within our jurisdiction" too literally. they are defining the phrase as "being within our borders".
then, you ask... why would the founding fathers duplicate the same requirement? the answer.. they didn't.
a perfect example of cocaine using, marijuana smoking, brain dead, stupid hippies making decisions on capitol hill for us.
totally brain dead.
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#371 Feb 10, 2013
American Indians are within themselves their own nation within America. They have the option of using their Tribal or United States Citizenship designation on their U.S Issued Passports and, privileged to the same rights as American Citizens.

Hispanics are a fusion of the Conquers from Spain and American Indians. Those people have been tattered to the soil of America more than 300 years before settlers got here.

They were established on the western and southern lands when we purchased the territory from Mexico to settle claims on lands stretching from Texas to Oregon.
Asian Guy wrote:
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not true.
we only need a review of the laws to overturn the previous decision made by the supreme court.
studying the indian citizenship act of 1924 would do well in filtering out the confusion that many have on the phrase "within the jurisdiction".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citiz...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Citizensh...
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#372 Feb 10, 2013
It's really disappointing that people debating American politics have no basic knowledge of American History.

If we didn't have birthright citizenship there are only a hand full of converted British, Irish and Africans who would qualify for American Citizenship.

That is the overwhelming majority of those who fought in the Revolutionary War.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

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#375 Feb 11, 2013
Just Me wrote:
Pay back taxes? What a crock of krap! How do you pay taxes on under the table income you've never reported? You don't! Setting up Americans is the mantra, period!
Exactly, it will be some random number that hardly comes near what they probably really do owe. It's all a crock.
DWG

Everett, MA

#376 Feb 11, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
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man, you are truly misinformed as to why we were a 1st world nation.
the main reason why we are a 1st world nation is because in the last century, we invented pretty much most of the important inventions that came down in the history of mankind.
you want a list of those inventions?
television, morse code, transistors, internet, world wide web, telephone, airplane, car, computers, computer languages, microsoft windows, the nuclear bomb, etc. THE LIST GOES ON! I didn't even bother to list the drugs that american companies invented that improved the quality of life for mankind.
that is why we are a 1st world nation.
the fact that you didn't know this. or more importantly feel proud of this makes me wonder if you are even a citizen of the usa.
as for ever returning to the glory days of being the leading exporter of goods... that remains to be seen. except for japan and germany, we don't see too many other countries inventing stuff that benefits mankind. know what I mean, genius?
"...
As a hard right conservative, and stauchly anti illegal immigration, I'm willing to work a compromise. It is utterly unrealistic to expect the illegal population, which numbers between 12-15 million, to deport itself. Additionally harsher deportation laws would also be futile, as the resources don't exist to round them up. A 400 mile border wall would eventually be compromised as well. Therefore I propose the following. All illegals who reside here today, may apply for citizenship in 5 years under the following conditions, 1. you must immediately register with the government and advise that you are here illegally today 2. you must not have committed crimes of any description either here or aboard, and must not currently be wanted by law enforcement in this or any other nation, 3. You may obtain a work visa today, and must be gainfully employed, paying taxes for at least 4 of the next 5 years while you wait to apply 4. you are not entitled to any entitlments local/state/federal for 5 years until you are a citizen.

HOWEVER, this pathway must go hand in hand with new immigration laws. We must immediately end the flow of illegals into the nation. This will only occur by making the United States highly unattractive to illegal. Singularly the most effective way to do this is to ensure that illegals cannot work. We achieve this by passing severely harsh laws on employers who knowing employ illegals. First offense 50K per illegal and 6 months probation mandatory. Second offense, 100K per illegal 6 months imprison, mandatory. No employer will take that risk. If illegals can't work, and can't have entitlements, they won't come, that simple....."

Dwg
Anonymous

Chicago, IL

#377 Feb 11, 2013
DWG wrote:
<quoted text>
"...
As a hard right conservative, and stauchly anti illegal immigration, I'm willing to work a compromise. It is utterly unrealistic to expect the illegal population, which numbers between 12-15 million, to deport itself. Additionally harsher deportation laws would also be futile, as the resources don't exist to round them up. A 400 mile border wall would eventually be compromised as well. Therefore I propose the following. All illegals who reside here today, may apply for citizenship in 5 years under the following conditions, 1. you must immediately register with the government and advise that you are here illegally today 2. you must not have committed crimes of any description either here or aboard, and must not currently be wanted by law enforcement in this or any other nation, 3. You may obtain a work visa today, and must be gainfully employed, paying taxes for at least 4 of the next 5 years while you wait to apply 4. you are not entitled to any entitlments local/state/federal for 5 years until you are a citizen.
HOWEVER, this pathway must go hand in hand with new immigration laws. We must immediately end the flow of illegals into the nation. This will only occur by making the United States highly unattractive to illegal. Singularly the most effective way to do this is to ensure that illegals cannot work. We achieve this by passing severely harsh laws on employers who knowing employ illegals. First offense 50K per illegal and 6 months probation mandatory. Second offense, 100K per illegal 6 months imprison, mandatory. No employer will take that risk. If illegals can't work, and can't have entitlements, they won't come, that simple....."
Dwg
I must get going ,but I will take a quick minute to add my two cents to your post.
I am also a hard right Conservative and totally against illegal immigration. With that said, I have a different stance on this massive problem we face and what is realistic/unrealistic.
Truth,we cannot deport all the illegals because of the huge cost,but we can strip them from all tax paid social services which they never paid into.
Our porous Border: All the dollars saved by not freely giving out welfare,etc. can be put to good use in securing our border by hiring more agents/advance technology/drones.

We all know/are well aware illegals do not want to become citizens nor pay taxes. They benefit more by remaining illegal.
Illegal are already considered criminals. They invaded/unlawfully entered a Sovereign Country.
Give them work permits you say? With so many Americans unemployed do you actually think this is realistic given our economy as it is,job outsourced.
The flow of illegals must stop "pronto". Our Cities/States can not absorb this massive cost.
Yes, employers should be penalized to the max. in order to get Americans back to work. Americans pay into the system. Americans working can rebuild our country not illegals who pay very/very little tax,if any at all.
Also, I believe family Unification should be curtailed til we are able to (once again) absorb this extra influx along with it's cost. Have a great day !
Married

Houston, TX

#378 Feb 11, 2013
They do too pay taxes more then USA citizens and they do not get benefits you have to be legal citizen to do that they could work here for 20 years be putting in to ss but never be able to use it
Mayela

Atlanta, GA

#379 Feb 11, 2013
Alexander Graham Bell was born on March 3, 1847, in Edinburgh, Scotland=Telephone

John Logie Baird, a Scot living in England is recognized as the first to demonstrate an operational television in March of 1925=Television

Karl Benz In 1885, German mechanical engineer, Karl Benz designed and built the world's first practical automobile=Automobile

Leo Szilard was the co-inventor with Enrico Fermi of the first nuclear reactor. Leo Szilard was born on Feb. 11, 1898 in Hungary
Enrico Fermi was born in Rome, Italy, on September 29, 1901
"Enrico Fermi and Leo Szilard discovered the first nuclear reactor in which nuclear chain reactions are initiated, controlled, and sustained at a steady observable rate.=Atomic Bomb

Alexander Fleming was born at Lochfield, Scotland on August 6th, 1881=penicillin

Amazon Rainforest has long been a symbol of mystery and power, a sacred link between humans and nature. It is also the richest biological incubator on the planet. It supports millions of plant, animal and insect species - a virtual library of chemical invention. In these archives, drugs like quinine, muscle relaxants, steroids and cancer drugs are found. So alluring are the mysteries of indigenous medical knowledge that over 100 pharmaceutical companies and even the US government are currently funding projects studying the indigenous plant knowledge and the specific plants used by native shamans and healers.
http://www.rain-tree.com/

The Television and the Automobile were NOT invented in the U.S. The telephone and the Atomic Bomb were NOT invented by persons BORN in the U.S. The ideas and skills that perfected and put the final products together were conceived in other countries by foreign born individuals, they came to the U.S. as adults fully educated, that is like saying Christopher Columbus "discovered" the American continent.

The final products in the shape of medical pills or in liquid form inside cough medicine bottles, etc. might be put together in countries like the U.S. and Germany however, many of the ingredients used to produce them come from places like the Amazon Rainforest by means of stolen knowledge from natives people, and more often than not, without any financial recompense at all.

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/35028.htm...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#380 Feb 11, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
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protectionist days?
man, are you for real? you sound like that british PM gordon brown who made this speech saying we should not engage in protectionism....WHEN it is obvious that the rest of the world is doing so.
try to get a job in some foreign country and see how far you get, genius. better yet, go see what a can of spam or many other products made in the usa go for in other countries.
bottomline, do you see us having a trade surplus with anyone?
here we are... supposely selling our products to a market that is essentially 10x what it was in the pre-free trade days, and wondering what happened to the massive profits that were predicted by the economists.
guy, get off the drugs. being brain dead is not helping your case.
While the overall world consumer market is greater today than it was a generation ago, the overall world production of consumer goods by other countries has also skyrocketed at the same time.

America is no longer the only manufacturer of products in the world, so we'll likely never have a trade surplus again.

We became a 1st world nation by selling our excess products to other countries. More of the "3rd world" countries can now make those products themselves and no longer need to import from the US as much anymore.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#381 Feb 11, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
man, you are truly misinformed as to why we were a 1st world nation.
the main reason why we are a 1st world nation is because in the last century, we invented pretty much most of the important inventions that came down in the history of mankind.
you want a list of those inventions?
television, morse code, transistors, internet, world wide web, telephone, airplane, car, computers, computer languages, microsoft windows, the nuclear bomb, etc. THE LIST GOES ON! I didn't even bother to list the drugs that american companies invented that improved the quality of life for mankind.
that is why we are a 1st world nation.
the fact that you didn't know this. or more importantly feel proud of this makes me wonder if you are even a citizen of the usa.
as for ever returning to the glory days of being the leading exporter of goods... that remains to be seen. except for japan and germany, we don't see too many other countries inventing stuff that benefits mankind. know what I mean, genius?
It wasn't the inventions which made us a 1st world nation and gave us our standard of living; it was the mass MANUFACTURING of those inventions as useful daily products. The manufacturing jobs creating and selling those products all over the world to countries incapable of manufacturing those products on their own is what made the money to create our middle class.

You do realize many other countries now manufacutre automobiles, airplanes, tvs, computers, etc, etc?

Only an arrogant ignorant fool believes only America "invents stuff that benefits mankind".
Mayela

Atlanta, GA

#382 Feb 11, 2013
Most Americans believe that the history of the United States began at Plymouth Rock in 1620. But our history text books fail to tell us that when the Pilgrims were struggling to maintain their tiny colony, Spanish towns were already growing and flourishing in Florida, the Southwest and Puerto Rico.

Historians have generally ignored the fact that the first European settlement in North America was San Miguel de Gualdape, founded in Georgia in 1526, 81 years before Jamestown, which was settled in 1607.
http://www.hispaniccontributions.org/pManager...
Mayela

Atlanta, GA

#383 Feb 11, 2013
We have learned a great deal about the great explorations of this continent by Lewis and Clark, Daniel Boone and Zebulum Pike. But how many of us know about the equally great explorations that Hernando de Soto led in 1539 through present-day Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana? After reaching the mouth of the Mississippi River, de Soto's expedition continued on through Arkansas and Texas until it reached Mexico. Shortly afterwards, another Spaniard, Francisco Vasquez de Coronado, led an expedition through the present-day states of New Mexico, Oklahoma and Kansas. http://www.hispaniccontributions.org/pManager...

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friends...that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we
will stop telling the truth about them." Adlai Stevensonhttp://www.rhymezone. com/r/gwic.cgi?Word=_&Path =quotes/s/99//
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#384 Feb 11, 2013
DWG wrote:
<quoted text>
"...
As a hard right conservative, and stauchly anti illegal immigration, I'm willing to work a compromise. It is utterly unrealistic to expect the illegal population, which numbers between 12-15 million, to deport itself. Additionally harsher deportation laws would also be futile, as the resources don't exist to round them up. A 400 mile border wall would eventually be compromised as well. Therefore I propose the following. All illegals who reside here today, may apply for citizenship in 5 years under the following conditions, 1. you must immediately register with the government and advise that you are here illegally today 2. you must not have committed crimes of any description either here or aboard, and must not currently be wanted by law enforcement in this or any other nation, 3. You may obtain a work visa today, and must be gainfully employed, paying taxes for at least 4 of the next 5 years while you wait to apply 4. you are not entitled to any entitlments local/state/federal for 5 years until you are a citizen.
HOWEVER, this pathway must go hand in hand with new immigration laws. We must immediately end the flow of illegals into the nation. This will only occur by making the United States highly unattractive to illegal. Singularly the most effective way to do this is to ensure that illegals cannot work. We achieve this by passing severely harsh laws on employers who knowing employ illegals. First offense 50K per illegal and 6 months probation mandatory. Second offense, 100K per illegal 6 months imprison, mandatory. No employer will take that risk. If illegals can't work, and can't have entitlements, they won't come, that simple....."
Dwg
dwg.. I think our idea has merit. but the fact is - we have a bigger problem that needs to be addressed first before we can even consider your compromise.

the problem... our government is not enforcing current laws.

even if we approved an amnesty under your constraints, it would not stop more illegals from coming in. because of the fact that our government is not enforcing current laws.

what good is a fine of 50k per illegal if the government won't enforce that law?

get it?

I'm afraid the time is coming soon when we the people will have to intervene and take back our government from these corrupt politicians.
Mayela

Atlanta, GA

#385 Feb 11, 2013
When the U.S.“acquired”(sic) the vast Mexican territories in 1848, the land came with people. In my home state of Texas, several large founding families with roots dating to the mid-1500’s were divided by the new border: among them the Longorias, the Inclans, the Floreses, and the Villarreals. The depth of Spanish culture in the Southwest is revealed in the names and architecture of towns—Santa Fe, Los Angeles, San Antonio among many, many others; the omnipresent missions, the streets and suburbs still bearing the names of land grant owners—Boronda, Bernal, Berryessa, Vallejo; and the nicknames of the Hispanic-Mestizo pre-1848 populations: Tejanos, Californios and "Manitos," not to mention the cultural fiber—celebrations, language, customs.
http://mexidata.info/id3004.html

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#386 Feb 11, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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It wasn't the inventions which made us a 1st world nation and gave us our standard of living; it was the mass MANUFACTURING of those inventions as useful daily products. The manufacturing jobs creating and selling those products all over the world to countries incapable of manufacturing those products on their own is what made the money to create our middle class.
You do realize many other countries now manufacutre automobiles, airplanes, tvs, computers, etc, etc?
Only an arrogant ignorant fool believes only America "invents stuff that benefits mankind".
the fact is - most of the important inventions in the last century were invented by americans.

that's the reality of it.

it's not a matter of being an arrogant ignorant fool. and I didn't say that ONLY america invents stuff.

the keyword here is MOST.

as for your rant about manufacturing... there is no logic to your rebuttal. I won't even address it.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

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Since: Apr 11

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#387 Feb 11, 2013
Married wrote:
They do too pay taxes more then USA citizens and they do not get benefits you have to be legal citizen to do that they could work here for 20 years be putting in to ss but never be able to use it
Funny how you forget that they have enrolled their American-born kids for the freebies. And they file for child tax credits for kids they don't have or who live in their homeland.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#388 Feb 11, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
the fact is - most of the important inventions in the last century were invented by americans.
that's the reality of it.
it's not a matter of being an arrogant ignorant fool. and I didn't say that ONLY america invents stuff.
the keyword here is MOST.
as for your rant about manufacturing... there is no logic to your rebuttal. I won't even address it.
Inventions mean nothing unless they are put into mass production and/or use.

That means manufacturing. Without manufacturing, our inventions are useless.

What good does it do to invent a new product if that product is then manufacutered in China instead of the US? The chinese economy & chinese people get all the benefits.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#389 Feb 11, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
While the overall world consumer market is greater today than it was a generation ago, the overall world production of consumer goods by other countries has also skyrocketed at the same time.
America is no longer the only manufacturer of products in the world, so we'll likely never have a trade surplus again.
We became a 1st world nation by selling our excess products to other countries. More of the "3rd world" countries can now make those products themselves and no longer need to import from the US as much anymore.
China just surpassed the US as the worlds largest trading nation.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#390 Feb 11, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Inventions mean nothing unless they are put into mass production and/or use.
That means manufacturing. Without manufacturing, our inventions are useless.
What good does it do to invent a new product if that product is then manufacutered in China instead of the US? The chinese economy & chinese people get all the benefits.
the inventor still makes bank on it...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#391 Feb 11, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Inventions mean nothing unless they are put into mass production and/or use.
That means manufacturing. Without manufacturing, our inventions are useless.
What good does it do to invent a new product if that product is then manufacutered in China instead of the US? The chinese economy & chinese people get all the benefits.
Wal-mart will still make bank selling it...

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