Senators Reach Agreement On Overhauling Immigration

Jan 28, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: National Public Radio

A bipartisan group of leading senators has reached agreement on the principles of sweeping legislation to rewrite the nation's immigration laws.

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Haven't you heard? The Dems are already saying the border is secure. That tells me they want to give the illegals citizenship and do nothing else.
Verification will be a problem.
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Yeah, just like kept hearing how the blacks were going to start voting for the GOP any day now. And that was 20 years ago!
As long as the GOP continues to oppose immigration reform and supports cutting programs which help the poor, then they will continue to lose the overwhelming majority of blacks & hispanics.
As long as the Dems support immigration reform the blacks will remain poor. As long as the Repubs and Indeps support free trade the Americans will only get poorer. What we need is a party that supports Americans and America (for the dimwits, I'm talking about the U.S. and U.S. citizens).
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Nothing says we have to let their relatives come in.
You guys are getting really worked up about something which you can't do anything about.
I don't like the fact they allowed millions to enter our country illegally, but what's done is done.
All we can do now is try to stop the next batch.
"Nothing says we have to let their relatives come in."

Wrong again.
You keep saying to let them become citizens.
As citizens they would have the legal right to bring family members here and swell the numbers to unsustainable levels.
This is why I am against a "path towards citizenship" BS.

Some sort of resident card would be fine with no benefits.
If they want to become citizens, they can return home and apply like all the rest.

Doubtful any of this will happen because the Dems will refuse to secure the border and enforce existing laws.
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Immigration and overpopulation in our country affects everyone.
Btw, I lived for 3 years in south Texas and another 3 years in San Diego CA. My best friend in Texas was an "anchor baby"; I ate many meals in his parents home and they were no different than any other Americans.
Not the same thing. When it affects you personally you see things differently. Believe me, I had no problem with the 1st group.

Plus, I was raised in the south and know what racism looks like. What's so funny is I was you 10 years ago. Think about that!
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Verification will be a problem.
Especially when people cry racial profiling if you try and verify.
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"Nothing says we have to let their relatives come in."
Wrong again.
You keep saying to let them become citizens.
As citizens they would have the legal right to bring family members here and swell the numbers to unsustainable levels.
This is why I am against a "path towards citizenship" BS.
Some sort of resident card would be fine with no benefits.
If they want to become citizens, they can return home and apply like all the rest.
Doubtful any of this will happen because the Dems will refuse to secure the border and enforce existing laws.
You know they can't make it with no benefits.

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As long as the Dems support immigration reform the blacks will remain poor. As long as the Repubs and Indeps support free trade the Americans will only get poorer. What we need is a party that supports Americans and America (for the dimwits, I'm talking about the U.S. and U.S. citizens).
So you want to return to the protectionist days? Sorry, but we don't live in that world anymore.

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"Nothing says we have to let their relatives come in."
Wrong again.
You keep saying to let them become citizens.
As citizens they would have the legal right to bring family members here and swell the numbers to unsustainable levels.
This is why I am against a "path towards citizenship" BS.
Some sort of resident card would be fine with no benefits.
If they want to become citizens, they can return home and apply like all the rest.
Doubtful any of this will happen because the Dems will refuse to secure the border and enforce existing laws.
Then you have nothing to worry about.

Btw, you do realize Congress can change the law at any time which allows citizens to bring in relatives.

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Not the same thing. When it affects you personally you see things differently. Believe me, I had no problem with the 1st group.
Plus, I was raised in the south and know what racism looks like. What's so funny is I was you 10 years ago. Think about that!
So 6 years of living among illegals wasn't enough for it to affect me personally? Just how long DOES it take??

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Especially when people cry racial profiling if you try and verify.
If you don't make the current illegals citizens, then how will you be able to tell which illegals came in 5-10 years ago and which ones came in yesterday?
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So you want to return to the protectionist days? Sorry, but we don't live in that world anymore.
We don't live in that country anymore. Do you think China, Japan, South Korea, etc., play by the same rules? It's not being a protectionist when you want a level playing field.
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Then you have nothing to worry about.
Btw, you do realize Congress can change the law at any time which allows citizens to bring in relatives.
Ain't gonna happen.
We can agree that the border MUST be secured to prevent any more illegal immigration, above all.
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So 6 years of living among illegals wasn't enough for it to affect me personally? Just how long DOES it take??
I'm talking about financially affecting you. If they drive down wages, have the government subsidize them by paying for their kids, etc.

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We don't live in that country anymore. Do you think China, Japan, South Korea, etc., play by the same rules? It's not being a protectionist when you want a level playing field.
No, you want to return to the "good old days" when America exported all our excess products to the 3rd world countries who couldn't make their own products. That's how we becaome a 1st world nation and supported our standard of living.

Now that they can make their own products, they don't need to import from us as much anymore.

The glory days of America dictating trade policy to the world is long gone and it's never coming back.

Get used to the new normal.

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Ain't gonna happen.
We can agree that the border MUST be secured to prevent any more illegal immigration, above all.
I've been saying that for decades, but I honestly doubt it will happen now either. It's become too politicized.

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I'm talking about financially affecting you. If they drive down wages, have the government subsidize them by paying for their kids, etc.
Since I pay taxes it DOES affect me financially as well.
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My View: Utah is leading the immigration debate

A truly secure border in a free society is maintained by realistic legal immigration policies, driven and measured by natural human expectations for freedom and prosperity.

Read more: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865571795/...
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So you want to return to the protectionist days? Sorry, but we don't live in that world anymore.
protectionist days?

man, are you for real? you sound like that british PM gordon brown who made this speech saying we should not engage in protectionism....WHEN it is obvious that the rest of the world is doing so.

try to get a job in some foreign country and see how far you get, genius. better yet, go see what a can of spam or many other products made in the usa go for in other countries.

bottomline, do you see us having a trade surplus with anyone?

here we are... supposely selling our products to a market that is essentially 10x what it was in the pre-free trade days, and wondering what happened to the massive profits that were predicted by the economists.

guy, get off the drugs. being brain dead is not helping your case.
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No, you want to return to the "good old days" when America exported all our excess products to the 3rd world countries who couldn't make their own products. That's how we becaome a 1st world nation and supported our standard of living.
Now that they can make their own products, they don't need to import from us as much anymore.
The glory days of America dictating trade policy to the world is long gone and it's never coming back.
Get used to the new normal.
man, you are truly misinformed as to why we were a 1st world nation.

the main reason why we are a 1st world nation is because in the last century, we invented pretty much most of the important inventions that came down in the history of mankind.

you want a list of those inventions?

television, morse code, transistors, internet, world wide web, telephone, airplane, car, computers, computer languages, microsoft windows, the nuclear bomb, etc. THE LIST GOES ON! I didn't even bother to list the drugs that american companies invented that improved the quality of life for mankind.

that is why we are a 1st world nation.

the fact that you didn't know this. or more importantly feel proud of this makes me wonder if you are even a citizen of the usa.

as for ever returning to the glory days of being the leading exporter of goods... that remains to be seen. except for japan and germany, we don't see too many other countries inventing stuff that benefits mankind. know what I mean, genius?
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Well America doesn't belong to England, any more.... We've always been a nation of immigrants. Being a subject doesn't fit the typical American persona.
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you are disingenuous to the point of possibly lying
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"
that's an 'AND' not an 'OR'
I get the impression some people are happy to be invaded as long as the potential voting demographics work
England's last Labour government thought the same way but at least they had the decency to admit it was a horrendous mistake.

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