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Senators Reach Agreement On Overhauling Immigration

There are 584 comments on the National Public Radio story from Jan 28, 2013, titled Senators Reach Agreement On Overhauling Immigration. In it, National Public Radio reports that:

A bipartisan group of leading senators has reached agreement on the principles of sweeping legislation to rewrite the nation's immigration laws.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#247 Feb 8, 2013
Mayela wrote:
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"General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" Ronald Reagan
http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/reagan-t...
Hypocrisy! Tear down the Berlin wall, come build one on the American continent! Nothing but Hypocrisy!
There's an obvious difference between a wall which keeps your own people trapped inside, and a wall which keeps illegals out.

Of course you're too stupid to see that.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#248 Feb 8, 2013
Mayela wrote:
Those who are against immigration—any immigration reform—want to preserve the America that never was, the white, British, Protestant enclave.
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/201...
"the America that never was", "white, British, Protestant enclave"
Brouhaha
Actually many of us recognize that we don't need to settle the open plains anymore. We're full. We also have 20+ million Americans unemployed; why bring in MORE people?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#249 Feb 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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There's an obvious difference between a wall which keeps your own people trapped inside, and a wall which keeps illegals out.
Of course you're too stupid to see that.
how would it be different from the DMZ in Korea?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#250 Feb 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You still haven't said just how you plan on fixing the problem without enforcing our borders.
Also, would that mean no border checks at all would be needed? Because then we could save a lot of money on the border patrol and all the crossing guards to.
C'mopn, you know me to not be a fool or irrational. Of course, there will be border security, but we won't need marines shoulder to shoulder across every mile of our borders and coasts.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#251 Feb 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Like I said, there's nothing we can do about it. Neither the Dems nor the Republicans want to enforce the immigration laws.
You can stomp your feet and insist we CAN do it, but if don't do it then it doesn't really matter if we can or not.
There is no reason to believe businesses will be ever be held accountable for hiring illegals no matter what law you pass. They can always claim they didn't know they were illegals, and the burden of proof is then on the govt to prove they DID know. That's hard to prove.
So again, nothing can really be done about the 10+ million already here. All we can do is stop more from coming in.
It is not that nothing can be done. Nothing IS being done and unless we change political thinking nothing WILL be done but there is plenty that can be done. Some states have taken some of the steps needed but as long as the executive branch insists on blocking enforcement nothing will change. Arizona is trying to do what Mexico is doing. Force the worst criminals out of their jurisdiction. This is obviously not a solution for the country but it has made Arizona a better place to live.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#252 Feb 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>how would it be different from the DMZ in Korea?
Because American citizens would be free to come & go as we please; the only people restricted would be non-citizens.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#253 Feb 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>C'mopn, you know me to not be a fool or irrational. Of course, there will be border security, but we won't need marines shoulder to shoulder across every mile of our borders and coasts.
Obviously that was an exaggeration, but we certainly CAN completely seal our borders with 99.9% effectiveness if we choose.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#254 Feb 8, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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It is not that nothing can be done. Nothing IS being done and unless we change political thinking nothing WILL be done but there is plenty that can be done. Some states have taken some of the steps needed but as long as the executive branch insists on blocking enforcement nothing will change. Arizona is trying to do what Mexico is doing. Force the worst criminals out of their jurisdiction. This is obviously not a solution for the country but it has made Arizona a better place to live.
If it isn't being done, and there is no realistic hope of it ever being done, then it doesn't really matter whether it CAN be done or not.

We CAN build a colony on the moon and round up all the illegals and strap them to a rocket and launch them towards the moon. That doesn't mean it's ever going to happen either.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#255 Feb 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Obviously that was an exaggeration, but we certainly CAN completely seal our borders with 99.9% effectiveness if we choose.
yes, but it will look like the korean DMZ.

is that what you want our borders and beaches to look like?

again, why treat the symptom when treating the problem is always the best way to go, and by far the cheapest.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#256 Feb 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes, but it will look like the korean DMZ.
is that what you want our borders and beaches to look like?
again, why treat the symptom when treating the problem is always the best way to go, and by far the cheapest.
Have you ever been to the Korean DMZ? Have you even been to the US-Mexico border? It's mostly desolate barren desert; I doubt the jackrabbits and snakes and scorpians will really care. And with our technology it doesn't have to be a physical wall.

You still haven't said what your solution is?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#257 Feb 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Have you ever been to the Korean DMZ? Have you even been to the US-Mexico border? It's mostly desolate barren desert; I doubt the jackrabbits and snakes and scorpians will really care. And with our technology it doesn't have to be a physical wall.
You still haven't said what your solution is?
yes i have. many times. enforce the laws we already have on hiring illegal workers. i t is not hard. it is not nearly as expensive as treating one of the symptoms such as border control...

if we seriously start enforcing it, people will fall in line. think back to our DUI history..i got driven home by a cop once as a teen...that aint' gonna happen now. i would be in deep shyte up past my head...and our DUI numbers have plummeted.

we can do this. it is easy to do this. the problem is that US citizens do not want to give up the short term, personal gain they get from cheap labor, even though it really costs them more overall.(kind of the Walmart effect)

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#258 Feb 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yes i have. many times. enforce the laws we already have on hiring illegal workers. i t is not hard. it is not nearly as expensive as treating one of the symptoms such as border control...
if we seriously start enforcing it, people will fall in line. think back to our DUI history..i got driven home by a cop once as a teen...that aint' gonna happen now. i would be in deep shyte up past my head...and our DUI numbers have plummeted.
we can do this. it is easy to do this. the problem is that US citizens do not want to give up the short term, personal gain they get from cheap labor, even though it really costs them more overall.(kind of the Walmart effect)
If it was so easy to do, then it would have been done by now.

Obviously it's NOT that easy, for the reasons you already noted.

What's the plan then? Pass a law requiring the current laws to be enforced?? Then when that law is ignored, pass another law requiring THAT law to be enforced???

That's my point. People don't WANT the laws enforced. Oh they say they do, but their every action proves they really don't. Businesses don't want the higher labor costs. Shoppers don't want the higher cost of products. Individuals don't want to have to pay $50/hr for a maid or yard service.

Again, if it was so easy, it would have been done already.

What else ya got?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#259 Feb 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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If it was so easy to do, then it would have been done by now.
Obviously it's NOT that easy, for the reasons you already noted.
What's the plan then? Pass a law requiring the current laws to be enforced?? Then when that law is ignored, pass another law requiring THAT law to be enforced???
That's my point. People don't WANT the laws enforced. Oh they say they do, but their every action proves they really don't. Businesses don't want the higher labor costs. Shoppers don't want the higher cost of products. Individuals don't want to have to pay $50/hr for a maid or yard service.
Again, if it was so easy, it would have been done already.
What else ya got?
all it takes is education. if those people understood the total cost of this 'cheap' labor, they would get it. they are starting to learn you hear the hate filled talk about it how they get free this, free that... how we pay for their health care, etc, etc.

as always, it just takes education. easier, cheaper, and less bloody than a war on our border.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#260 Feb 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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If it isn't being done, and there is no realistic hope of it ever being done, then it doesn't really matter whether it CAN be done or not.
We CAN build a colony on the moon and round up all the illegals and strap them to a rocket and launch them towards the moon. That doesn't mean it's ever going to happen either.
There is always hope and it is quite realistic. We can do as you say but there is no need to do it. There is a need for a realisitc and fair solution to immigration and the laws are in place.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#261 Feb 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
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all it takes is education. if those people understood the total cost of this 'cheap' labor, they would get it. they are starting to learn you hear the hate filled talk about it how they get free this, free that... how we pay for their health care, etc, etc.
as always, it just takes education. easier, cheaper, and less bloody than a war on our border.
I'm pretty sure the GOP tried that "education" during the last election.

People already understand it; they just choose to ignore it.

It's the American way- instant gratification regardless on the long term costs.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#262 Feb 8, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>There is always hope and it is quite realistic. We can do as you say but there is no need to do it. There is a need for a realisitc and fair solution to immigration and the laws are in place.
The laws have been in place for decades.

Good luck getting a different result attempting to enforce the very same laws this time around.

Meanwhile millions more are coming in every year because our borders are STILL wide open.
Chicopee

United States

#263 Feb 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Cutting programs which benefit the poor, since a disproportionate percent of blacks live in poverty.
Also attempting to prevent them from voting.
Clinton cut those programs and as I stated previously, the outcome was positve...I witnesses it in action, though I had my doubts at the onset. Millions got away from dependency and are far better off for having done so. Their children will do even better.
Welfare, public housing and Medicaid are traps, and damned difficult to break out of. Too many fatherless children. Too many dropouts, too much crime and too many drugs. WAAAAAYYY too many grieving mothers. Hopelessness everywhere and there's no way to measure the wasted potential. The standard of living that the government provides is horrible. I wish we could re-elect him and do it again.
I don't agree that voter ID laws are aimed at preventing one specific group from voting, so we can agree to disagree on that issue. Since I live in a state with blatant voter fraud, I'd like to see something done to address it, because all our votes should count.
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#264 Feb 9, 2013
nobama wrote:
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I agree with you guys. There must be a way.
there is a very simple solution to the problem.

bounties.

if the police won't or cannot resolve the problem with illegal aliens, you setup rewards for the capture of illegal aliens.

let the civilian bounty hunters make some money.

it'll be a scramble. double the rewards offered by saying that sharing in the assets found with illegals will also be entertained. and you will have a mass exodus.

get it done.

it worked in the wild, wild west. it'll work now. YEEHAAAA!

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

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Paris

#265 Feb 9, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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95%+ blacks voted for the Dems again. With the current GOP policies they'll be lucky to get 10% of the black vote; just like the past 50+ years.
You mean right after the republicans gave them the right to vote and be equal in 1964 and 65? Now that's gratitude. They were sold a bill of goods by the likes of Jackson, Sharpton, Wright and you'll notice they all have Reverand in front of their names. People like that build the liberal plantation on government tax dollars and the uneducated voters did know the difference when they were fed chit and told it was fudge.

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Tawas City, Michigan

#266 Feb 9, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
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there is a very simple solution to the problem.
bounties.
if the police won't or cannot resolve the problem with illegal aliens, you setup rewards for the capture of illegal aliens.
let the civilian bounty hunters make some money.
it'll be a scramble. double the rewards offered by saying that sharing in the assets found with illegals will also be entertained. and you will have a mass exodus.
get it done.
it worked in the wild, wild west. it'll work now. YEEHAAAA!
Hopefully they target all those slanty-eyed asians because they look illegal......

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