Navarrette: Don't copy Mexico's immigration policies

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Magadala

Gig Harbor, WA

#1 Jul 12, 2013
"We're talking about a country where people routinely prey on one another, and where many of them seem to think that they can't have anything unless they take it from someone else."

Yeah, tell me more, Rube.

They are doing the same thing here!!! I agree, why would we want Mexico practicing Mexicans in America?!!! The illegal aliens are reflective of this "...seem to think...can't have anything unless they take it from someone else." Thus, the REAL reason America does not need ANYONE who came here illegally, they are all reflective of the "mexican mentality"!!!!
Ask A Mojado

Palm Desert, CA

#2 Jul 12, 2013
Mojados hav no desire to pay a fine, back taxes, to habla English, to assimulate into American culture, obey the rules of the land, mojados drive with or without license or insurance, they recieve public education, which very few take advantage of, they recieve tax payer funded health privlages, through hospital E.R's or clinics, recieve W.I.C's, E.B.T. cards through fraudulante I.D's...they have housing, they vote just by flashing a gas bill, they don't want to " Come out From Under The Rock " they don't want to wait 13 years to be a gringo..! they will never be gringos, they will always be Mojados.!
Brenda besson

United States

#3 Jul 12, 2013
Ask A Mojado wrote:
Mojados hav no desire to pay a fine, back taxes, to habla English, to assimulate into American culture, obey the rules of the land, mojados drive with or without license or insurance, they recieve public education, which very few take advantage of, they recieve tax payer funded health privlages, through hospital E.R's or clinics, recieve W.I.C's, E.B.T. cards through fraudulante I.D's...they have housing, they vote just by flashing a gas bill, they don't want to " Come out From Under The Rock " they don't want to wait 13 years to be a gringo..! they will never be gringos, they will always be Mojados.!
well that will stop soon,birthing rights will stop.ebt,wic,er visits,obamacare dead.amnesty dead,reform dead,it will get lonely under the rock when you cant get a job.mr e verify,now what?oh back to mexico bye we will not miss you!
Brenda besson

United States

#5 Jul 12, 2013
Ask A Mojado wrote:
Mojados hav no desire to pay a fine, back taxes, to habla English, to assimulate into American culture, obey the rules of the land, mojados drive with or without license or insurance, they recieve public education, which very few take advantage of, they recieve tax payer funded health privlages, through hospital E.R's or clinics, recieve W.I.C's, E.B.T. cards through fraudulante I.D's...they have housing, they vote just by flashing a gas bill, they don't want to " Come out From Under The Rock " they don't want to wait 13 years to be a gringo..! they will never be gringos, they will always be Mojados.!
oh and janet look the other way is gone.not sounding good,i would start thinking about moving along.
ronnie

Provo, UT

#6 Jul 12, 2013
Magadala wrote:
"We're talking about a country where people routinely prey on one another, and where many of them seem to think that they can't have anything unless they take it from someone else."
Yeah, tell me more, Rube.
They are doing the same thing here!!! I agree, why would we want Mexico practicing Mexicans in America?!!! The illegal aliens are reflective of this "...seem to think...can't have anything unless they take it from someone else." Thus, the REAL reason America does not need ANYONE who came here illegally, they are all reflective of the "mexican mentality"!!!!
Exactly..That's mainly why I have trouble even showing any sympathy for the dreamer's. The entitlement mentality is hurting their causes. Why do they think we should care???? No one disrespect's them more than they themselves. No shame whatsoever. Just leech and scam, leech and scam....pathetic.
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#7 Jul 12, 2013
I try not to comment on issues of the immigration reform in the USA, but I comment of issues that deal with Mexico as such, and I have to comment this of Navarrete...
We're talking about a country that takes in about $25 billion a year in remittances from expatriates living in the United States, and has no real national economic policy beyond that and tourism. We're talking about a country, parts of which remain mired in the Third World and an economy that -- while it has shown new vibrancy in recent years -- remains second-rate, and where immigration is kept to a minimum and where foreign investment in key industries such as petroleum is restricted. And last, we're talking about a country that remains plagued by nativism and racism toward immigrants who are considered inferior to the native-born.
Seeing that a "Mexican"-American write this idiocies,... who could wonder that the USA wants no Mexicans?

For starters, remitances from the USA are less than 2% the GDP of Mexico. Tourism is a source of hard currency (23 million visitors a year)... but most of our income as a country, come from industrial exports.

List of trading partners of the USA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_larg...

Mexican Oil remains "Mexicans" and a vast mayority of Mexicans want it that way. And yes we are Nationalists (in my personal case: Ultranationalist). But the "Mexican Nationalism" have Little to do with "Nativism" in the American sense or "Nationalism" in the European sense: It doesn't imply hate or despise of other, or seeing them as "inferior".
Is that a model worth emulating? Should we be like Mexico?

No, thank you. Not on your life. Not for this Mexican-American. About 100 years ago, my grandfather, and his parents, chose the United States over Mexico because it was a superior country. During the Mexican Revolution, this was thought to be a safer country with more freedom and opportunity. That is still the case. Now some of my fellow Americans want me to, in essence, choose Mexico over the United States, as if our neighbor could teach us how to behave toward immigrants.
I think that Navarrete "smells" that the so called immigration reform alredy took place, and it will be mostly increase of vigilance in the border, with very Little gains for those that look for legalizations of illegals in the USA.

I think that he "exploits" his purported "Mexican-Americaness ", because if he were not a Mexican-American, he would have very Little to sell, and would be a sub-standard jounalist, one more of the heap... at the very bottom.

As a ultranationalist Mexican (in Mexico) I cannot blame him from being proud of his homeland and his flag, of his country. But I resent that he refers like that to my country (f*ck you, Navarrete), and as I have said, I believe he is wrong.

Don't sell yourself as anything "Mexican", Navarrete: Say you are Italian, and go to work as war journalist, if you have the guts. Don't sell cr*p, please.

**
Magadala

Gig Harbor, WA

#8 Jul 13, 2013
Sirius wrote:
I try not to comment on issues of the immigration reform in the USA, but I comment of issues that deal with Mexico as such, and I have to comment this of Navarrete...
<quoted text>
Seeing that a "Mexican"-American write this idiocies,... who could wonder that the USA wants no Mexicans?
For starters, remitances from the USA are less than 2% the GDP of Mexico. Tourism is a source of hard currency (23 million visitors a year)... but most of our income as a country, come from industrial exports.
List of trading partners of the USA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_larg...
Mexican Oil remains "Mexicans" and a vast mayority of Mexicans want it that way. And yes we are Nationalists (in my personal case: Ultranationalist). But the "Mexican Nationalism" have Little to do with "Nativism" in the American sense or "Nationalism" in the European sense: It doesn't imply hate or despise of other, or seeing them as "inferior".
<quoted text>
I think that Navarrete "smells" that the so called immigration reform alredy took place, and it will be mostly increase of vigilance in the border, with very Little gains for those that look for legalizations of illegals in the USA.
I think that he "exploits" his purported "Mexican-Americaness ", because if he were not a Mexican-American, he would have very Little to sell, and would be a sub-standard jounalist, one more of the heap... at the very bottom.
As a ultranationalist Mexican (in Mexico) I cannot blame him from being proud of his homeland and his flag, of his country. But I resent that he refers like that to my country (f*ck you, Navarrete), and as I have said, I believe he is wrong.
Don't sell yourself as anything "Mexican", Navarrete: Say you are Italian, and go to work as war journalist, if you have the guts. Don't sell cr*p, please.
**
I think you post reinforced what Navarrete was speaking of. You have a dumpy culture. You have the richest man in the world, Carlos "Slim" who doesn't believe in philanthropy, certainly not helping the over 50% poor in your country. That, coupled with the white Spanish, your conqurers, who have stayed in office for over 100 yrs with graft and corruption, and you do nothing about it. All Mexico seems to do well is to import their poor to America rather than taking care of them! The good news is that you seem like you are at least one who will stay and not come here! You mentioned that remittances were only 2%?!!! Check again, we're talking #2 in Mexico's GNP...thus, the reason they pimp their poor to become illegal aliens!!! See, just like Navarrete said...
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#9 Jul 13, 2013
If only the US did copy mexiholes immigration laws and treat illegals as mexihole does then we wouldn't have any illegals here.
Eduardo

Torreón, Mexico

#10 Jul 13, 2013
I just checked:

"The Workers' remittances and compensation of employees; received (% of GDP) in Mexico was last reported at 2.13 in 2010, according to a World Bank report published in 2012. "

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/mexico/worker...

"While remittances represent less than 4 percent of GDP, their decline is being felt in towns across Mexico, where lines at Western Union counters have all but disappeared. New businesses financed by migrant money are no longer opening and construction has stopped on homes that have been built in stages as cash arrived from those working abroad."

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-6148649.h...

"According to figures published in The Economist (13-19 November 2010), remittances in Mexico are equivalent to 2.5% of the nation’s GDP. Mexico’s degree of reliance on remittances is greatly exceeded by the comparable figures of 22.4% of GDP for Lebanon, 11.8% for Bangladesh, 11.7% in the Philippines, 7.0% in Vietnam, 6.0% in Pakistan and 3.9% for India.(In China, remittances account for only 1.0% of GDP)."

http://geo-mexico.com/...
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#12 Jul 14, 2013
Thank you @Eduardo... as always, you are good at finding objective data...
ronnie

Brigham City, UT

#14 Jul 14, 2013
Magadala wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you post reinforced what Navarrete was speaking of. You have a dumpy culture. You have the richest man in the world, Carlos "Slim" who doesn't believe in philanthropy, certainly not helping the over 50% poor in your country. That, coupled with the white Spanish, your conqurers, who have stayed in office for over 100 yrs with graft and corruption, and you do nothing about it. All Mexico seems to do well is to import their poor to America rather than taking care of them! The good news is that you seem like you are at least one who will stay and not come here! You mentioned that remittances were only 2%?!!! Check again, we're talking #2 in Mexico's GNP...thus, the reason they pimp their poor to become illegal aliens!!! See, just like Navarrete said...
Trey Gowdy just talked about a plan for Mexican laborers only and there are many that have no desire to become Americanized or receive legal Status. Million of illegals including Asians want to work here, have zero need to be American. That's the path we need to take with illegals, not whether we have Indeginous crossing to become American. The Natives want work and remit to Mexico, then have movement to freely cross back and forth Period. I have aquaintances from Mexico that would never want to be American.
Eduardo

Torreón, Mexico

#15 Jul 14, 2013
ronnie wrote:
<quoted text>Trey Gowdy just talked about a plan for Mexican laborers only and there are many that have no desire to become Americanized or receive legal Status. Million of illegals including Asians want to work here, have zero need to be American. That's the path we need to take with illegals, not whether we have Indeginous crossing to become American. The Natives want work and remit to Mexico, then have movement to freely cross back and forth Period. I have aquaintances from Mexico that would never want to be American.
That's is true, but from my own personal experience they usually act even more offended when you tell them that.
Magadala

Gig Harbor, WA

#17 Jul 15, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
I just checked:
"The Workers' remittances and compensation of employees; received (% of GDP) in Mexico was last reported at 2.13 in 2010, according to a World Bank report published in 2012. "
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/mexico/worker...
"While remittances represent less than 4 percent of GDP, their decline is being felt in towns across Mexico, where lines at Western Union counters have all but disappeared. New businesses financed by migrant money are no longer opening and construction has stopped on homes that have been built in stages as cash arrived from those working abroad."
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-6148649.h...
"According to figures published in The Economist (13-19 November 2010), remittances in Mexico are equivalent to 2.5% of the nation’s GDP. Mexico’s degree of reliance on remittances is greatly exceeded by the comparable figures of 22.4% of GDP for Lebanon, 11.8% for Bangladesh, 11.7% in the Philippines, 7.0% in Vietnam, 6.0% in Pakistan and 3.9% for India.(In China, remittances account for only 1.0% of GDP)."
http://geo-mexico.com/...
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28878748/ns/world_n...
Try this one on for size!!! US remittances to Mexico are #2 in foreign income behind oil!!! I should have qualified it with "foreign"! And pleeze, stop being like others of your culture who are always comparing themselves with others in order to justify their actions...know what I mean? Things like illegal immigration is like the Jewish Holocaust or the Black Civil Rights Movement...this post is about Mexico, not China, India, Pakistan, etc!!!

Oh, and you didn't refute one of my points. Mexico received literally BILLIONS from its poor who come to America and send $$$ home. Your country still treats them like crap and takes their $$$! And you come to America demanding your rights! Ever wonder why we don't respect you? Richest man, Carlos Slim sits there with his fat belly and his monopoly on communications and doesn't do crap for the poor! Viva Mexico! Oh, and he raised the cost of calling home, and mexican students were protesting all over the place...never a word about the over 50% poor! Like I said, Viva Mehico!
The good news!!! remittances are decreasing...time to go home!

Your relatives are going to be pissed if you get a work permit and we take out taxes...even less to send home! Cheaper to go back!
Eduardo

Torreón, Mexico

#18 Jul 15, 2013
Magadala wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28878748/ns/world_n...
Try this one on for size!!! US remittances to Mexico are #2 in foreign income behind oil!!! I should have qualified it with "foreign"! And pleeze, stop being like others of your culture who are always comparing themselves with others in order to justify their actions...know what I mean? Things like illegal immigration is like the Jewish Holocaust or the Black Civil Rights Movement...this post is about Mexico, not China, India, Pakistan, etc!!!
Oh, and you didn't refute one of my points. Mexico received literally BILLIONS from its poor who come to America and send $$$ home. Your country still treats them like crap and takes their $$$! And you come to America demanding your rights! Ever wonder why we don't respect you? Richest man, Carlos Slim sits there with his fat belly and his monopoly on communications and doesn't do crap for the poor! Viva Mexico! Oh, and he raised the cost of calling home, and mexican students were protesting all over the place...never a word about the over 50% poor! Like I said, Viva Mehico!
The good news!!! remittances are decreasing...time to go home!
Your relatives are going to be pissed if you get a work permit and we take out taxes...even less to send home! Cheaper to go back!
What? you didn't like having your country of origin compared with Mexico for a change?

Mexico is #2 direct source of foreign income and between 2% and 3% or Mexico's GDP.
Eduardo

Torreón, Mexico

#19 Jul 15, 2013
I am sure you are having a hard time finding sources that state a different percentage than the ones I claimed otherwise you would have posted it already.

Also, did you know that Mexico measures it's level of poverty based on the multidimensional system used to calculate the cost of life that all developed countries use as opposed to the system of just calculating the number of people in country who lives with less than 2 dollars a day that most countries do? Or that USA actually have similar levels of income disparity than Mexico and the only real reason the poor there live better can be easily explained with the aphorism that goes: "A rising tide lifts all boats"?
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#20 Jul 15, 2013
@Eduardo, I myself reached long ago the conclusion that it is impossible and useless to try to show certain realities to certain people.

The issue of illegals and the so-called immigration reform is a highly politicized issue inside the USA… right now. Once the immigration reform fails or "succeeds" (whatever that means) and some other theme occupy the political debate in the USA, the level of anti-Mexican feeling will return to its normal levels (i.e. "high", but not "hysterical").

On the other hand, I think that it is true that something is wrong with Mexico if it has expelled in the last 12 years an additional 3-4 million illegals that joined the 2-3 millions previously present there.

Of course, in that heated political debate currently developing in the USA, anything goes: Like claiming that there are “30 million Mexican illegals”,“Mexicans are terrorists”,“Mexicans have inferior genes”,“Mexicans are destroying America”,“The USA will become like Mexico”, and much more…

I personally think that we Mexicans deserve much flak, for being so stupid to vote like idiots and anti-patriots, asses and closet Nazis, like Fox and Calderón. Of course in that moment almost the totality of the Mexican populationwere severely unconscious, naïve and di-politicized. At least much of that have changed in the last decade.
I honestly believe that in a period like this, that for many countries is as severe as the 1929 crisis, Mexico is maintaining and improving in many things.

By the way… What happened to Mexicans in the USA in the 30s?

http://www.mfsaiowa.org/Decade-of-Betrayal-Re...

For me there are no surprises. Things evolve as I more or less calculated several years ago… in both sides of the border.
Regards.
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#21 Jul 15, 2013
I think that there is people (Mexican-Americans) that really go deep into history, and say things that are very interesting about the fact of being Mexican or Mexican-American in the USA...
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"Book Review: Decade of Betrayal: Mexican Repatriation in the 1930s. Francisco E. Balderrama
and Raymond Rodríquez. Albuquerque (2006): University of New Mexico Press.
by Jim Perdue
Why is it that all of a sudden we don’t seem to like Mexicans very much? One answer is that
such a reaction is not new in U.S history. Decade of Betrayal: Mexican Repatriation in the 1930s
dares to systematically consider a topic that has been studiously “not included” in the ongoing
process of writing U.S. history. Citizens of the USA have always had a love/hate relationship
specifically with Mexicans.
The case in point, explored in exhaustive and undeniable depth by Balderrama and
Rodríguez, is the forced emigration of one to two million Mexicans from the U.S. back to Mexico
during the years of the Great Depression. The story is further complicated by the fact that, among the
countless “legal” and “illegal” Mexicans who were “rounded up and deported,” fully sixty percent
were Mexican-Americans – that is, they were children of Mexicans, who were citizens of the USA.
What this means is that the U.S. public whipped itself into such a frenzied hatred of
Mexicans (who by many were blamed even for the Great Depression itself), that it forcibly deported
between 600,000 and 1,200,000 of its own citizens without due process. Their only crime was that of
being of Mexican descent.
As a result of their exploration of a large number of documents both here in the U.S. and in
Mexico, Balderrama and Rodríquez have reconstructed, or better have resurrected, one of the saddest
and most indicting scenarios of injustice, incited by a majority of U.S. citizens and planned and
carried out by its government at all levels. Terror and tyranny were meted out by we who have dared
to call ourselves the “land of the free.”
Throughout the book they document the lack of due process afforded to Mexicans and
Mexican Americans, by an American nation had that succumbed to the worst kind of racial profiling
and scapegoating of Mexicans. In addition, they examine the failures of a Mexican government that
had just survived a war of independence and was without adequate resources to deal with the sheer
numbers of the forced migration. Finally, they interview and present the stories of those who left the
U.S. never to return (including many U.S. citizens), those who remained in the U.S. and stayed below
the radar, and those who left and later returned to this, their own nation. In the process Balderrama
and Rodríquez examine the way in which the same anti-Mexican prejudices then repeated themselves
in U.S. society as Mexican American citizens eventually returned here from their forced exile to
Mexico.
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#22 Jul 15, 2013
(continue...)

Perhaps what is the most damaging of all the images presented by Balderrama and Rodríguez
are the words and actions of countless white Americans who, even in their attempts to do the right
thing, could not see how unjust and prejudiced they were. To let such learning remain lost to the
“omissions of history” would be a travesty that would most surely stunt our ongoing spiritual
maturation as an American people.
For me, the reading was riveting. I could not put the book down, even though I knew where it
was going. It was like reading the story of the Donner party making all the wrong decisions that
prolonged and eventually doomed their journey as a people. I sat with the book in hand saying to
myself,“No, we can’t make that same mistake again!” But we did; and I fear that we now are making
the same mistakes yet again. In the 1980s and 1990s we started a new trend toward blaming
Mexicans for all our problems. So when 9-11 occurred, we even began to blame their presence here
for our shock and fears. And although much anti-immigration rhetoric today is carefully couched
against the “illegals,” when common sense gets lost in the frenzy, history tells us what Balderrama
and Rodríguez tell us over and over throughout their book,“In the end, a Mexican is a Mexican.”
Buried deep within the American psyche is something that makes it too easy for us to transfer
the guilt for all our problems as a nation onto “the Mexicans.” Without learning some basic spiritual
lessons about that great fear neatly tucked away among the combination of our racial, cultural,
nativistic and xenophobic make-up as a people; we will forever be destined to become phobic and
only feel better by defeating “the Mexicans” again and sending them back across the border. In the
words of one of the great twentieth century philosophers, Latino George Santayana,“Those who
cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” We have already done so in the Mexican War
in the nineteenth century, in the 1920s, in the 1930s, in Operation Wetback under Eisenhower, in
Operation Gatekeeper under Clinton, and now the proposed increase in immigration enforcement
under Bush.
Decade of Betrayal provides us a rare glance into the obscure depths of our American spirit,
as well as the further depths to which it is capable of descending. It has brought that spiritual
dynamic to the surface with an alarming clarity. This book should be required reading for all United
Methodists, because the process that may again lead to the blaming, hatred, rejection and eventual
removal of Mexicans en masse has already begun to redevelop in our culture – and it has entered the
ranks of the church. Few Americans today think to ask why everything has to always be the fault of
“the Mexicans,” but even fewer at the moment seem to envision the spiritual disaster of choosing not
to ask."
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#23 Jul 15, 2013
Well, since I am not an American or Mexican-American, nor do I have relatives that have been, or are affected by these things, really for me it is not a question

"Why do Americans forget those things?"

But rather:

"Why do we Mexicans too?"
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#24 Jul 15, 2013
Navarrete says he is a "Mexican-American", and that is his "product", "what he sells"...

Let this immigration reform lay in dust and defeat, and you will see how he suddenly will forget his "Mexican-Americaness "... for me is clear something like that.

I, fortunatelly, do not have such problems. Not even at an intellectual or emotional level.

You and I, Eduardo, are very lucky that our foundations are traditionally Mexican, and is all we are.

Regards.

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