Farmers ratchet up pressure for immig...

Farmers ratchet up pressure for immigration reform

There are 16 comments on the North County Public Radio story from Aug 30, 2013, titled Farmers ratchet up pressure for immigration reform. In it, North County Public Radio reports that:

Prospects for comprehensive immigration reform are growing slim as Congress is running out of working days in 2013.

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Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#1 Aug 30, 2013
"The banks have told at least 6 of my peer farmers that they will not finance them unless they have a secure labor force," Torrey said Wednesday on a phone call with reporters.''We’re up against a wall. We don’t sleep at night wondering what are we going to do for a labor force."

They could try doing what every other industry does. Pay a wage that attracts good workers. If you pay less than McDonalds but expect your workers to work harder and be more reliable than a McDonalds worker you are going to have trouble finding workers. It is called supply and demand.

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Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#3 Aug 30, 2013
The Plantation owners have spoken!

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

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#4 Aug 30, 2013
mexican pride lll wrote:


They will not pay more for some lazy sob to doink around!! Food cost would sky rocket. Cost of living for some, is hard as it is. There's a reason farmers want this law to pass.
LOL!!!

The Myth of Illegal Immigration and Food Prices

By Fulano deTal | Posted August 18, 2011, 10:40 p.m.

One of the big talking points that pro-immigration groups make is that our
food prices would be much higher if the US did not tolerate the flow of
illegal immigrants into the country to work in agriculture. They argue that
no American would do the work the illegal immigrants do for the wages they
make. It is a myth.

First of all, agriculture is not a labor intensive business. The US supplies
all the food it needs, plus exports billion of dollars to other countries,
using very few people. In 1870, between 70% and 80% of the US population
worked in agriculture. Today, less than 1% of the population works in
agriculture. At last count there were only 821,000 people in the US employed
in agriculture. This is out of a total civilian workforce of 153,904,000.
There are 312,000,000 people in the US and these 821,000 workers produce
enough to feed everybody, plus export food to the rest of the world. By
2018, agricultural employment in the US is expected to decrease to 804,400,
even though the US population will be increasing.

Here is why. In 1945 it took 14 man-hours to produce 100 bushels of corn on
2 acres of land. By 1987, it took less than 3 man-hours to produce the same
100 bushels of corn on a little more than 1-acre of land. In 2002, the same
100-bushels of corn were produced on less than 1-acre of land. Productivity
has reduced the demand for agricultural labor, and made labor more
efficient.

An average household currently spends about $370 per year on fruits and
vegetables. If curtailing illegal alien agricultural labor caused tighter
labor conditions and a 40 percent increase in wages, the increased cost to
the American family would be $9 a year, or about 2.5 cents per day. Yet for
the farm laborer, the change would mean an increase in earnings from $17,600
to $24,640 per 2000-hour work year. That increase would move the worker from
beneath the federal poverty line to above it. In fact, the salary would be
higher than the median salary paid by Walmart.

The cost of labor is a very small component of food. Consumers who pay $1
for a pound of apples, or $1 for a head of lettuce, are giving 16 to 19
cents to the farmer and 5 to 6 cents to the farm worker.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/fulano_...
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#5 Aug 30, 2013
mexican pride lll wrote:
They will not pay more for some lazy sob to doink around!! Food cost would sky rocket. Cost of living for some, is hard as it is. There's a reason farmers want this law to pass.
They already are paying a lazy slob to doink around. That is why it takes 3 illegals to do the work of two Americans. They just pay them half as much and pocket the difference. Since the average cow produces 6 lbs. of milk a day and on a modern dairy farm one worker can milk several hundred cows per day doubling the wage of the worker would result in a very minimal increase in the labor costs.

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Since: Jan 08

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#6 Aug 30, 2013
Cricket 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!!
The Myth of Illegal Immigration and Food Prices
By Fulano deTal | Posted August 18, 2011, 10:40 p.m.
One of the big talking points that pro-immigration groups make is that our
food prices would be much higher if the US did not tolerate the flow of
illegal immigrants into the country to work in agriculture. They argue that
no American would do the work the illegal immigrants do for the wages they
make. It is a myth.
First of all, agriculture is not a labor intensive business. The US supplies
all the food it needs, plus exports billion of dollars to other countries,
using very few people. In 1870, between 70% and 80% of the US population
worked in agriculture. Today, less than 1% of the population works in
agriculture. At last count there were only 821,000 people in the US employed
in agriculture. This is out of a total civilian workforce of 153,904,000.
There are 312,000,000 people in the US and these 821,000 workers produce
enough to feed everybody, plus export food to the rest of the world. By
2018, agricultural employment in the US is expected to decrease to 804,400,
even though the US population will be increasing.
Here is why. In 1945 it took 14 man-hours to produce 100 bushels of corn on
2 acres of land. By 1987, it took less than 3 man-hours to produce the same
100 bushels of corn on a little more than 1-acre of land. In 2002, the same
100-bushels of corn were produced on less than 1-acre of land. Productivity
has reduced the demand for agricultural labor, and made labor more
efficient.
An average household currently spends about $370 per year on fruits and
vegetables. If curtailing illegal alien agricultural labor caused tighter
labor conditions and a 40 percent increase in wages, the increased cost to
the American family would be $9 a year, or about 2.5 cents per day. Yet for
the farm laborer, the change would mean an increase in earnings from $17,600
to $24,640 per 2000-hour work year. That increase would move the worker from
beneath the federal poverty line to above it. In fact, the salary would be
higher than the median salary paid by Walmart.
The cost of labor is a very small component of food. Consumers who pay $1
for a pound of apples, or $1 for a head of lettuce, are giving 16 to 19
cents to the farmer and 5 to 6 cents to the farm worker.
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/fulano_...
Bingo! it is indeed a myth and it is being perpetuated by the left in order to garner votes.
Fed Up Vet

Bowie, MD

#7 Aug 30, 2013
Funny the crops were picked after the slaves were freed. The crops were harvested after Eisenhower sent the Mexican packers home and the crops got picked after Reagan passed his amnesty program. The crops will be picked. Yes the farmers will complain about the changes just like they did when slavery was outlawed. Over time they will adjust and this country will no longer have to rely on illegal alien farm help.
sammy

Wyoming, NY

#8 Aug 30, 2013
I think its funny. You pay like sh*t and bitch about people not wanting to work.
spud

United States

#9 Aug 30, 2013
If they wanted to have a stable workforce, the answer isn't to hire unlawful workers. The answer would be to develop a lawful, American workforce. We have plenty of kids graduating every year that only qualify for jobs like agriculture. They should have those jobs. Of course that would mean that the wages would have to rise which would aggravate Republicans and handing out support to young able bodied slackers would also have to end, which would aggravate Democrats.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#10 Aug 30, 2013
spud wrote:
If they wanted to have a stable workforce, the answer isn't to hire unlawful workers. The answer would be to develop a lawful, American workforce. We have plenty of kids graduating every year that only qualify for jobs like agriculture. They should have those jobs. Of course that would mean that the wages would have to rise which would aggravate Republicans and handing out support to young able bodied slackers would also have to end, which would aggravate Democrats.
Increasing wages seems to bother both Republicans and Democrats. Decreasing wages and increasing the number of foreign workers seems to be the only thing they can agree on. The difference is the Democrats want to put all of the displaced American workers on welfare so they are dependent on the government and increase taxes on those still working while the Republicans want Americans to work for less or starve.

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#11 Aug 30, 2013
sammy wrote:
I think its funny. You pay like sh*t and bitch about people not wanting to work.
I have never seen a farmer that didn't cry poormouth.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#12 Aug 30, 2013
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>I have never seen a farmer that didn't cry poormouth.
Amish farmers do not claim to be poor. They just live like they are:)

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#13 Aug 30, 2013
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>I have never seen a farmer that didn't cry poormouth.
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>
Amish farmers do not claim to be poor. They just live like they are:)
I have never seen an Amish farmer long enough to have spoken to or listened to one, but the others that I have talked to?, uh huh.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#14 Aug 31, 2013
positronium wrote:
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>I have never seen a farmer that didn't cry poormouth.<quoted text>I have never seen an Amish farmer long enough to have spoken to or listened to one, but the others that I have talked to?, uh huh.
If you get a chance to talk to the Amish do it. I buy a lot of produce and meat from them. The area I live in is know for organic farming and the Amish have been doing that for hundreds of years. It is nice to know that the people who grow your food don't urinate or defecate on it and are not racist, hateful criminals who would steal from you the moment your back is turned.
spud

United States

#18 Sep 1, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>
Increasing wages seems to bother both Republicans and Democrats. Decreasing wages and increasing the number of foreign workers seems to be the only thing they can agree on. The difference is the Democrats want to put all of the displaced American workers on welfare so they are dependent on the government and increase taxes on those still working while the Republicans want Americans to work for less or starve.
You're right and that is exactly why both parties suck. They base their decisions on what they think will help them get reelected instead of what is good for the country. In the end they always disregard our workers in favor of the big money lobbyists and government dependent slackers. They both suck.

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Since: Jan 08

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#19 Sep 2, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>
If you get a chance to talk to the Amish do it. I buy a lot of produce and meat from them. The area I live in is know for organic farming and the Amish have been doing that for hundreds of years. It is nice to know that the people who grow your food don't urinate or defecate on it and are not racist, hateful criminals who would steal from you the moment your back is turned.
I could agree.
Hobert Janoski

Ashburn, VA

#20 Sep 2, 2013
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