Pros and cons of immigration

Pros and cons of immigration

There are 3457 comments on the Scripps-Howard story from Mar 31, 2007, titled Pros and cons of immigration. In it, Scripps-Howard reports that:

“Anxieties about immigration are not easily dismissed as irrational or racist”

By SCOTT MaCKAY The Providence. via Scripps-Howard

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“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#1601 May 30, 2007
Fed Up wrote:
House Republicans are going to "Blue Slip" the immigration Bill. There is some rule about how the Bill came about that is against protocal. They want to draft their own Bill. I believe the chance of this Bill passing the House is slim to none.
Woo Hoo! Can't admit they're giving in [to real Americans], so they came up with some bullshit excuse? Hey, that works for me!
Cherry

United States

#1602 May 30, 2007
Ralphinphnx wrote:
Cherry snd even Rebel so we here in the
Great State of Arizona take our own 2d
Amendment Rights seriously and we have
both open and concealed weapons laws so
when the Minutemen Organization stands
watch on our Mexican border they come
armed and lock and loaded and unlike
The Commnader Guy George W Bush's Army
National Guard Troops sent here Unarmed
to make coffee or wash cars for the
border patrol these Minutemen aren't going
to turn tail and run like yellow cowards
if attacked by any kind of Mexican and
no matter if they are Mexican Drug Cartel
Members or Drug Mules,Or Coyotes Smauggling in More Mexican Wetrback Illegal Aliens,Mexican Gang Bangers,or just plain old pathethic Mexican Wetback
Illegal Aliens the Minutemen will not run
away from them so feel free to sign up
and come on down and help us and the US
Border Patrol Try To Secure Our Borders!
Here in Arizona,Or California,or New Mexico or Texas ya'll be welcome now!
I am seriously thinking about about joining the minute men. I posted rick about twenty minutes ago about this. They are invaders,not imagrants!
rick

United States

#1603 May 30, 2007
Oddities wrote:
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Stop and think of the bigger picture...hmmmmmm.
Ok. Let's think for a minute.
When I grew up, my neighborhood was quiet, friendly, safe. I was four years old and running around freely on my block with no problems, it was that safe. I had a few hispanic friends in school. They lived in my neighborhood and they considered themselves Americans.
When I got out of college I noticed my neighborhood had changed quite a bit. There weren't as many American flags around and there were a few bodegas taking over the old sandwich shops.
Now, there are El Salvador barbers, Mexico and El Salvador flags hanging off houses and cars, small businesses with store signs painted in what seems like water color paint to really show how third world the mentality is. People walking around speaking spanish everywhere. Auto accidents are frequent because these newcomers aren't savvy to the rules. Up the road from my home, in the past year, it's becoming a waiting area for day laborers. First, there were none, then there were about two to three regulars. Now there are about eight people that hang out up there. I may go stand there with a sign and my cellphone soon, to shoo them away. At least once a month, I get a letter from the school district informing me of a new sex offender in the area. It's nice(NOT), because you get to see what level they are and sometimes even the address...really cool. Guess what most of the last names are. Rivera, Rodriguez, Herrera, Figueroa.
Kids can't run around freely in my neighborhood anymore. ADULTS can't run around freely anymore. Innocent people are being slashed in the face by random gang bangers for initiation. Cars are being hit with various objects in the middle of the night, like Corona bottles. There is always someone screaming, always someone zipping past your house doing 60 on a 30 mph residential block, always a siren going off, always a car alarm blaring within a three block radius.
Is this ALL because of illegal immigrants? No, not all.
Are they contributing to the problem.
You bet your sweet candy ass they are. When a group of people force their way in without wanting to assimilate, you get the scenario I painted for you. That scenario is real, I live it. Call me a bigot if you want, it matters not. I know what I am seeing, I know what is happening to my heighborhood. It's not bigotry to want to preserve a measure of safety, cleanliness, respect.
So, when I think of the bigger picture, it's most like Munsch's "The Scream"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scream
Good Morning!
Cherry

United States

#1604 May 30, 2007
Fed Up wrote:
<quoted text>
Didn't you love it when he said "Do what's right for America." He has never had a clue of what is right for America.
I wathed the video where the illigal said he wants Bush to fix his food and wait on him. Seems to me he is almost getting his way.L.O.L.
Sandy Guzman

Milwaukee, WI

#1605 May 30, 2007
Ever heard of the Pilgrims coming to U.S and taking over the Native Americans Land.Hello!!! if you had paid attention in class instead of being a typical white blonde, you would realize that nobody should be fighting for this Country, but the real owners,NATIVE AMERICANS. The "Americans" are just third generations of German, Polish, Irish, or even Asian Imigrantsyet no one seems to remember that!!!!!

“Reduce immigration levels”

Level 5

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#1606 May 30, 2007
There's a ton of info on this site

http://www.steinreport.com/

“Reduce immigration levels”

Level 5

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#1607 May 30, 2007
Sandy Guzman wrote:
Ever heard of the Pilgrims coming to U.S and taking over the Native Americans Land.Hello!!! if you had paid attention in class instead of being a typical white blonde, you would realize that nobody should be fighting for this Country, but the real owners,NATIVE AMERICANS. The "Americans" are just third generations of German, Polish, Irish, or even Asian Imigrantsyet no one seems to remember that!!!!!
Oh please. Quit ignoring the real issues/educate yourself.
Sandy Guzman

Milwaukee, WI

#1608 May 30, 2007
Arriba Mexico,USA,Italia,Germany, Y todo el Mundo.No one is better that anyone else.In Gods eyes we are all the same,we are his children,just some with fake tans and other with real ones.
Sandy Guzman

Milwaukee, WI

#1609 May 30, 2007
Ddh34 wrote:
deport the Criminals and build the wall !!!!!!!!
We need a day of kick the spic !!!
You need to quit hating.Dubm ass who do you think is going to pay for that wall.YOU!!!! When you pay your danm taxes.So apperantely you want to pay for a wall that will cost billions of dollars and o\put the U.S in a even bigger debt than what we already have, Which is about $8.8 billions. So go ahead and waste more money, which apperantely U.S dont got.

“Reduce immigration levels”

Level 5

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#1610 May 30, 2007
Too bad the most sweeping immigration measure since 1986 shortchanges assimilation. Whether America ultimately absorbs 12,000 or all 12 million illegal aliens estimated to live here, it will be better for them and this nation if they speak, study and vote in English, understand America's Constitution and political culture, respect our history and civic traditions, and honor our flag and national heroes. Otherwise, bedlam awaits.
McCain-Kennedy does little to forestall such cultural disarray, and it probably exacerbates it.
Unfortunately, as Hudson Institute senior fellow John Fonte told the House Immigration subcommittee May 16, "There are no serious assimilation components to the legislation." Dual citizenship, naturalized Americans voting here and overseas, non-English classrooms and multilingual ballots all thrive, despite McCain-Kennedy's "comprehensive" scope.
"Under this bill, every immigrant and every American citizen is his own little bubble of linguistic entitlement," says Jim Boulet Jr., executive director of English First. This is so, thanks to President Bill Clinton's Executive Order 13166. As Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., told the Senate Tuesday, this is "an entitlement for a translator in any language you want other than English...if you are a recipient of federal funds."
Illegals also could gain amnesty without English proficiency. Up to four years after receiving brand-new, permanently renewable Z (amnesty) visas, they merely must "demonstrate an attempt to gain an understanding of the English language." This is like saying that thinking about maybe asking someone out means you are dating. Z-visa holders can "demonstrate an attempt" through "placement on a waiting list for English classes." For McCain-Kennedy, waiting equals speaking.
Also under this legislation, the Homeland Security secretary would disseminate amnesty information to illegals "in no fewer than the top five principal languages ... spoken by aliens who would qualify for classification under this section, including to television, radio and print media ..."
McCain-Kennedy's English and assimilation shortcomings should aggravate cultural conservatives and annoy almost everyone else.
Fiscal conservatives should faint at Heritage Foundation scholar Robert Rector's estimate that this bill creates "a net cost to taxpayers of $2.3 trillion in retirement-related benefits" for amnestied illegal aliens. One fresh entitlement: Free immigration attorneys for illegal-alien farm workers.
Cops and counter terrorists should worry that McCain-Kennedy requires that eligible illegal aliens receive probationary Z visas by the "end of the next business day." Within that deadline, law-enforcement and national-security officials simply cannot isolate innocent aliens from those who aspire to rob, rape or plant bombs. Alas, there is no single, searchable, international-scoundrels database.
"A one-business-day time limit is madness, particularly if 48,000 aliens applied in a single day," warns Kris Kobach, counsel under former Attorney General John Ashcroft. "Would 48,000 daily applications be unusual? Try dividing 12 million illegal aliens by 250 business days, if they all applied the first year."
Americans who want secure borders wonder why the 700-mile southern-frontier-fence Congress authorized last year stretches only 370 miles under McCain-Kennedy.
And liberals fret that this bill's guest-worker program would depress the wages of low-skilled American citizens. This is a serious, albeit debatable, accusation.
Meanwhile, by embracing this legislation, Bush is smashing his loyal Republican base to smithereens.
McCain-Kennedy is as wildly popular as algebra homework on prom night.
TELL THEM TO SUPPORT SEN INHOFE'S BILL

“Reduce immigration levels”

Level 5

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#1611 May 30, 2007
Sandy Guzman wrote:
Arriba Mexico,USA,Italia,Germany, Y todo el Mundo.No one is better that anyone else.In Gods eyes we are all the same,we are his children,just some with fake tans and other with real ones.
ARE YOU WORRIED YOUR WELFARE WILL BE CUT OUT?
Sandy Guzman

Milwaukee, WI

#1612 May 30, 2007
Fed Up wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh please. Quit ignoring the real issues/educate yourself.
Im not ignoring anything, I know there a lot of illigal Imigrants.Im just saying that everyone is an immigrant and in that case evryone should pay.

Title VI of a draft copy of the bill breaks down amnesty visas into three categories:

Z-1 — Illegal aliens present and working in the United States up to Jan. 1, 2007.

Z-2 — Parents and spouses of illegal aliens qualifying under the Z-1 category.

Z-3 — Children of illegal aliens qualifying under the Z-1 category.

PLus the $4,000 they need to pay

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#1613 May 30, 2007
Sandy Guzman wrote:
Arriba Mexico,USA,Italia,Germany, Y todo el Mundo.No one is better that anyone else.In Gods eyes we are all the same,we are his children,just some with fake tans and other with real ones.
Then I suggest you get to Mexico -- try going illegally -- see how far you get, and then let us know how that worked out for you.(If you ever get out of jail, much less get out in one piece and alive.)

God isn't running this country right now. Did you see the video of those animals marching in the street DEMANDING? They aren't grateful, and they don't love this country: < http://youtube.com/watch... ;

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#1614 May 30, 2007
Sandy Guzman wrote:
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You need to quit hating.Dubm ass who do you think is going to pay for that wall.YOU!!!! When you pay your danm taxes.So apperantely you want to pay for a wall that will cost billions of dollars and o\put the U.S in a even bigger debt than what we already have, Which is about $8.8 billions. So go ahead and waste more money, which apperantely U.S dont got.
Build a wall = a fixed cost. Once wall is built, maintenance is negligable. Or, support illegal aliens, who whether they become legal or not, will continue to be a drain on society due to their uneducated, illiterate selves being unable to support themselves. That is an ongoing thing until they die. Oh, and let's not forget every family member they bring over.

I think the wall costs less. I vote wall.
Sandy Guzman

Milwaukee, WI

#1615 May 30, 2007
I understand when an American says we(hispanics) need to learn English and get accustomed to the american Culture.PLease explain what is your culture, Burger King,McDonalds,KFC,Taco Bell????
we as Hispanics are willing o learn your culture just as soon as you guys figure it out.

“Reduce immigration levels”

Level 5

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#1616 May 30, 2007
Let's say I break into your house

A lady wrote the best letter in the Editorials in ages!!! It explains things better than all the baloney you hear on TV.

Her point:

Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.

Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely.

Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.
Let's say I break into your house.
Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave.

But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors. I've
done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest
(except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters:

You are Required to let me stay in your house
You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan
You are Required to Educate my kids
You are Required to Provide other benefits to me & to my family

(my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hard-working and honest, person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house

And what a deal it is for me!!!

I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and
bigoted behavior.

Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can
communicate with me.

Why can't people see how ridiculous this is?! Only in America .
if you agree, pass it on (in English).
Share it if you see the value of it.

If not blow it off.........
along with your future Social Security funds, and a lot of other things.
S Barnes

Monterey Park, CA

#1617 May 30, 2007
Hello wrote:
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Actually many prostitutes are being lured to this country illegally by Americans living abroad or South-Americans traffickers. These acts of human trafficking is also another example of many inocent woman and children from Latin America that are brought to this country against their will or brought to this country under false promises. In either case, current law provides way of legalization to these type of victims. Thank God, and for the rest of your stament, all I can say is that even the President of the United States is calling for xenophobic people like yourself to stop and think of the bigger picture.
You are quoting Bush that is a belly laugh! You would be more in line if you quoted Kennedy.
Sandy Guzman

Milwaukee, WI

#1618 May 30, 2007
But seriously, I know we need to learn engish.I have made my mom learn english. She has paid for many english classes and at home i teach her,so "Americans" dont you dare say we dont try because we do! You have no idea what it is like to be in our shoes.(please peoples dontry to come up w/ a smart comment like, "i dont want to be in your shoes", that is just ignorant.)

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#1619 May 30, 2007
Sandy Guzman wrote:
Ever heard of the Pilgrims coming to U.S and taking over the Native Americans Land.Hello!!! if you had paid attention in class instead of being a typical white blonde, you would realize that nobody should be fighting for this Country, but the real owners,NATIVE AMERICANS. The "Americans" are just third generations of German, Polish, Irish, or even Asian Imigrantsyet no one seems to remember that!!!!!
Yeah, and are you aware this is 2007? If you want to act like people did then, well, murder was very common then -- and that would really help us do away with illegals! Unfortunately, it is not right now - we have laws against it - so we can't go out and murder them all.

There are many laws NOW that didn't exist back then, and if we go back to those times, and do away with our present laws, we would have a real problem on our hands.

Coming back into the year 2007, we have laws in place. They must be followed. All other countries have immigration laws and they are enforced. Why should we be any different? Look up Mexico's immigration laws -- much stricter than ours.

This country takes in more legal immigrants than all the others combined. We don't need illegal aliens, as well.

So, do we go back to Indian days and kill them all off -- legally, of course, since murder would no longer be a felony -- or do you prefer staying in 2007 and following our laws?
S Barnes

Monterey Park, CA

#1620 May 30, 2007
Sandy Guzman wrote:
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You need to quit hating.Dubm ass who do you think is going to pay for that wall.YOU!!!! When you pay your danm taxes.So apperantely you want to pay for a wall that will cost billions of dollars and o\put the U.S in a even bigger debt than what we already have, Which is about $8.8 billions. So go ahead and waste more money, which apperantely U.S dont got.
So, you mean a bigger debt than that 2.5 TRILLION (that is bigger than a billion by a lot) that is going to happen when this amnesty bill passes. They already appropriated the money for the fence that works in San Diego. That means the money is already there for the fence. Please also work on your English with phrases like "dont got".

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