Back tax on illegal migrants hard to do

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Requiring illegal immigrants to pay back taxes as a condition of citizenship is a popular idea, but experts on both sides of the immigration debate say it would be extremely difficult to implement. Full Story
Anonymous

Chicago, IL

#24 Feb 3, 2013
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>Sure it is. The whole thing is a complete crock and sure they will all be applying for disability for their kids, all phony stuff. What they do not understand is the country is going to collapse from all of this stuff. They can't live ind Mexico but they all say "viva la Mexico." They love Mexico and ONLY their own race of people, they hate us and yet they have to live here and live off of our government programs. They think all white people are rich and that the U.S. must be rich and that the handouts will never end. It's all ending soon, very soon. If we are borrowing $1 trillion each year now to hand out money to everyone, wait in two more years when half of the 80 million baby boomers have retired and gone onto social security and Medicare. Then we will have to borrow more like $3 trillion each year, either that or end the welfare programs. What the Mexicans do not get is that the 80 million baby boomers have carried this nation for the last 40 years and they are retiring and you can't have most of the population uneducated and on welfare programs or retired and think it can all go on. The baby boomers carried the welfare programs and they paid for the World War II folks to all get their government pensions and for them to all get social security and Medicare. The ONLY way this stuff works is when you have a very large educated working population to carry the old age programs and the welfare programs. The idea that most of the country can be on welfare and a few rich folks will pay for all of it is nuts. The rich are global, they can leave at any time. It's all about to collapse. Most of the Mexicans drop out of high school. There is only a tiny population left in the U.S. of young people who are highly educated and paying taxes. All of this stuff is about to collapse and then the Mexicans can either all go to work and pay taxes and go off of welfare or they can go back to Mexico and have a revolution and move on. They should have had a revolution decades ago.
You are so right !
It's just a matter of time before it all collapses, it's unsustainable.
I have met a few people who have given up working in their fields(careers) due to all the taxes and those coming in 2014. they are selling, downsizing and waiting to see what happens.
It's just not worth it anymore.
Illegals are costing taxpayers too much.
The more you earn, the more you are taxed.
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Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#25 Feb 3, 2013
xrayman wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree that the people coming from Mexico are hard workers and are trying to make a living any way they can. I mention Mexico only because I don't know enough information about the people from the other countries to comment on them. One problem with having so many people come up from Mexico is that the Mexican government does not have to find work for them. If the U.S./Mexico border were sealed(I know it won't be), all of the people in Mexico needing jobs would create a huge problem for the Mexican government. Building the Mexican econmy up in a way to create all of the jobs necessary to meet the needs of the people would would now have to be a main focus. Right now the U.S. acts as a safty valve for the Mexican government. If you can't find work in Mexico and you don't want your family to starve, you end up trying to find work in the U.S. A huge part of the Mexican economy is baded on the money sent back to families in Mexico. The families spend the money in Mexico, which makes the money part of Mexico's economy even though the Mexican government didn't do anything for it. Until The Mexican government is forced to find a way to create jobs for it's people, it won't. I understand that closing the U.S./Meican border would create a hardship for the people of Mexico, but what else would force the Mexican gorenment to take action? I don't have all of the answers. What do you think?
You're so right, the US has the dual role of safety net for the Mexican government, AND also the designated bad guy that is pointed at as the reason why Mexico is such a stye. In the 1900's, it was France, before that, it was Spain. They do a great job of deflecting blame for their neglect of the citizens in Mexico, all the while lining their pockets with the ill-gotten gains of the remittances from their working stoopes here in the US.
El Cid

Austin, TX

#26 Feb 3, 2013
It is like Social Security. Illegals and others drawing welfare, based on taxes from different sources but in the end from peoplw working and paying taxes and from property taxes.
If not enough people are paying into Social Security then it does not have enough money to pay out.
When states and the Federal government keep raising taxes to pay for all the welfare and so on the taxpayers are going to be bled white and be unable topay anything more, or like when the crown was over the colonies they will revolt.
Austin is a prime example, Sanctuary City so tons of illegals here with their hands out for all sorts of taxpayer funded freebies, not to mention almost half the school disctrict full of those here illegally, not born here but here illegally.
Publis hospitals ERs bursting atthe seams, hundreds of millions of tax dollars a year just for illegal alien healthcare, same for public school, and so on. These people pay nothing into the tax base for those services, almost 100% property tax funded services. They pay sales taxes when they buy this and that, usually with their welfare money or non taxed working off the books money.
If the roughly 35% of the illegal aliens in the school system were out then in theory the school should cut my property taxes for the school by roughly a third. I could find alot of things to do with an extra 3K a year.
You can only raise taxes so much until peolle simply cannot pay.
concerned ma

Chicago, IL

#27 Feb 3, 2013
1- make them have a job
2 - pass the citizenship test in ENGLISH
3 - can't have a criminal record

If someone had to meet those 3 requirements, the number of immigrants would be decreased.
Anonymous

Chicago, IL

#30 Feb 3, 2013
OH NO YOU Did not wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, they want complete and absolute amnesty. They don't even want to pay the small amount of back taxes suggested by the liberals.
Most likely they worked low pay jobs which exempt them from paying anything.
If not I'm sure they will find a way to falsify paper work stating low wage earner.
Trust me illegals have learned to work the system.
Juan

Pearland, TX

#31 Feb 3, 2013
Complete and absolute amnesty is the only thing we will accept. Nothing less.

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#38 Feb 3, 2013
OH NO YOU Did not wrote:
<quoted text> I bet Mexico would fall apart if we ever enforced our immigration laws like Mexico does.
Perhaps you missed this:

Latin American Herald Tribune, October 18, 2011

MEXICO CITY – President Felipe Calderon on Monday accused U.S. authorities of deporting Mexican criminals to save on judicial costs, a policy that ostensibly “exacerbates” violence in this country.

Within the framework of the inauguration of National Immigration Week 2011 in this capital, Calderon said that, for example, U.S. authorities “are deporting up to 80,000 people in a year” into the border cities of Reynosa and Ciudad Juarez.

Some of these deported people “are migrants, certainly, probably all of them,” although some were “already involved in criminal acts” in the United States.

“In the face of the dilemma of pursuing the legal process in the American courts, which implies costs for the administration of justice in that country, they simply prefer to deport them to border cities, by which the cycle of violence is exacerbated even more,” he said.

The Mexican leader went on to say that it is “truly inhumane and scandalous” that U.S. authorities are apprehending and deporting alone and “without any protection” children as young as 6.

Those minors who cross Mexico from Central America run the risk along the way of becoming victims of “criminal bands,” are exposed to the dangers of crossing the border and, in addition, confront the security forces of the United States,” Calderon said.

“I hope authorities in other countries become aware of how aberrant it is to leave a child to his fate in our country, without guaranteeing that he can once again find his parents or relatives,” he said. EFE

This one was too long to paste in here.

http://www.npr.org/2011/11/09/141932810/mexic...

Since: Jan 13

United States

#39 Feb 3, 2013
Juan wrote:
Complete and absolute amnesty is the only thing we will accept. Nothing less.
Good Luck criminal.
ima

El Paso, TX

#42 Feb 3, 2013
The Sin City Cat wrote:
<quoted text>The Hispanic illegals have already stated they do not want to pay back taxes,fees or fines. They want complete amnesty to come and go and do whatever they want.
They will just threaten the Democrats with with-holding their votes and the Democrats will cave in and give them everything they want.
Not illegals nor legal residents can vote unless they do so fraudulently.
El Cid

Austin, TX

#44 Feb 4, 2013
Juan wrote:
Complete and absolute amnesty is the only thing we will accept. Nothing less.
Dream on.
Tick tock
Juan

Pearland, TX

#45 Feb 4, 2013
You'd better get use to our being here, we'll be here for some time to come.
LMAO

Kingsport, TN

#46 Feb 4, 2013
Juan wrote:
You'd better get use to our being here, we'll be here for some time to come.
Well, just how do you investigate illegal alien murders if they can't find a body or prove the illegal ever existed? HMMM , I think I will ask a friend who works in the court system to see if she can find an answer. The cops I asked just laughed . One said they never waste time helping illegals for any reason, the other just kept laughing.

“Legals against Illegals!”

Level 5

Since: Dec 11

Willing to stand and Fight!

#47 Feb 4, 2013
xrayman wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree that the people coming from Mexico are hard workers and are trying to make a living any way they can. I mention Mexico only because I don't know enough information about the people from the other countries to comment on them. One problem with having so many people come up from Mexico is that the Mexican government does not have to find work for them. If the U.S./Mexico border were sealed(I know it won't be), all of the people in Mexico needing jobs would create a huge problem for the Mexican government. Building the Mexican econmy up in a way to create all of the jobs necessary to meet the needs of the people would would now have to be a main focus. Right now the U.S. acts as a safty valve for the Mexican government. If you can't find work in Mexico and you don't want your family to starve, you end up trying to find work in the U.S. A huge part of the Mexican economy is baded on the money sent back to families in Mexico. The families spend the money in Mexico, which makes the money part of Mexico's economy even though the Mexican government didn't do anything for it. Until The Mexican government is forced to find a way to create jobs for it's people, it won't. I understand that closing the U.S./Meican border would create a hardship for the people of Mexico, but what else would force the Mexican gorenment to take action? I don't have all of the answers. What do you think?
Sounds like mexico is a huge part of the problem. It doesn't want to help it's people so they tell them to come to America and get free benifitsn and then send your money back to mexico so it is spent there.So mexico makes out great......doesn't have to spend money to help their poor and makes money when American cash is sent back to be spent there!
And GD mexico TELLS it's people to come to America!!!!!!!
Why should America/Americans support the scum that mexico sends up here????

Let's reverse it. If I thought I could make a better living in mexico and I sneak into the country.....If caught I would be imprisoned or deported istantly.
If I was able to 'live in the shadows' I would do everything I could to assimilate and LEARN THE LANGUAGE!
I damn sure would not be marching in downtown waving the American flag demanding that I should get this and that and that I have rights!

You GD illegals come here and expect everything to be given to you!
Well screw that! You people are IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!

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Truth Speaker

United States

#48 Feb 5, 2013
Juan wrote:
Complete and absolute amnesty is the only thing we will accept. Nothing less.
Going to Alabama and Mississippi, hiring big, tough rednecks, giving them automatic weapons, having them go into the homes of suspected illegal aliens in the middle of the night, roughing them up a bit, putting them on buses making certain families are split and put on different buses and sent to different parts of Mexico, not caring if some American born Hispanics are rounded up because they no doubt are illegal alien supporters and welfare cheats, confiscation of all their property and embedding them with microchips so they can be identified if they come back to the US is the only thing I will accept. BTW, Juan, eat mierde.
Juan

Pearland, TX

#51 Feb 5, 2013
Truth Speaker wrote:
<quoted text>
Going to Alabama and Mississippi, hiring big, tough rednecks, giving them automatic weapons, having them go into the homes of suspected illegal aliens in the middle of the night, roughing them up a bit, putting them on buses making certain families are split and put on different buses and sent to different parts of Mexico, not caring if some American born Hispanics are rounded up because they no doubt are illegal alien supporters and welfare cheats, confiscation of all their property and embedding them with microchips so they can be identified if they come back to the US is the only thing I will accept. BTW, Juan, eat mierde.
Wake up, I think your dreaming.
Level 5

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#52 Feb 5, 2013
OH NO YOU Did not wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, they don't want their criminals back, but force them on us.
Worked for Castro, didn't it? Mexican presidents have been doing the same for years, and calling it bigotry when we don't accept their criminals with open arms.

“Legals against Illegals!”

Level 5

Since: Dec 11

Willing to stand and Fight!

#53 Feb 5, 2013
Juan wrote:
Complete and absolute amnesty is the only thing we will accept. Nothing less.
I will except no less than standing you at a wall before a firing squad! POSAH!
FritoBandito

San Diego, CA

#54 Feb 5, 2013
Juan wrote:
<quoted text>
Wake up, I think your dreaming.
I think he actually cracked a nut to that. For him/her, it's better than sex.
Truth Speaker

United States

#55 Feb 6, 2013
FritoBandito wrote:
<quoted text>
I think he actually cracked a nut to that. For him/her, it's better than sex.
Wrong. Sometimes, when I get horny at inappropriate times and need to cool down, all I have to do is think about Mexican women. Short, stout, stretch marks from three anchor babies, thick black bushes that run from their navels to their culos, greasy skin, oily hair, chipped nail polish, Walmart fifty cent flip flops. Sound like your girlfriend, wife, mother??
Anonymous

Chicago, IL

#56 Feb 6, 2013
Truth Speaker wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. Sometimes, when I get horny at inappropriate times and need to cool down, all I have to do is think about Mexican women. Short, stout, stretch marks from three anchor babies, thick black bushes that run from their navels to their culos, greasy skin, oily hair, chipped nail polish, Walmart fifty cent flip flops. Sound like your girlfriend, wife, mother??
Hahahahaha... you have described a Mexican(most likely an Illegal) to a T.

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