Congress sees immigration overhaul th...

Congress sees immigration overhaul this year; Obama will make pitch in Las Vegas speech

There are 487 comments on the Reno Gazette-Journal story from Jan 27, 2013, titled Congress sees immigration overhaul this year; Obama will make pitch in Las Vegas speech. In it, Reno Gazette-Journal reports that:

Republican and Democratic lawmakers were cautiously optimistic Sunday that a long-sought overhaul of the nation's immigration system that includes a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million illegal immigrants currently in the country will clear Congress this year, the result of changes in the political landscape shown in November's election.

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#427 Feb 12, 2013
Justtoinformyou wrote:
Cracker and anyone else on his side is ignorant. You have no idea why people come here illegally. It costs about $200 American dollars per person just to get a passport and a visa not counting the cost of traveling to get them. That is equivalent to over 2000 pesos. In order for some one in Mexico to get that much money just to come visit for a short time, at 100 pesos a day, if they are lucky, and they have to pay 600 pesos for rent, plus they have say 2 kids, not to mention utilities, food, and every day necessities. It would take for ever to save that kind of money. Now lets say they are fortunate to save enough. They go to their interview, after paying for their visa up front and passport, because that is what they make you do, they get denied their visa. Do you think they get their money back? Let me tell you, they don't. The U.S. keeps their money. They have to go through the U.S. Consulate to come to the U.S. Later they find out that if they don't own land, a house, and have a good chunk of money in the bank they can't come. Does that seem right to you? if it does then you are an heartless animal and you would feel different if you were in that situation. Do you really think people would risk their lives to walk for 3 days in the hot sun with little water just because. other than a down payment, they don't have to pay the coyotes until they get to their destination. The coyotes will keep trying until they get across. Technically they already paid to be here, your Government is stealing from hard working people. Granted not all illegals deserve to be here, there are some who should be locked up and the key be thrown away, but have some compassion for those who are just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. Coming here legally isn't anything like it used to be so don't give me that crap that so and so came here legally. Because even if you know of someone who came legally, I bet you that at least one of their immediate relatives came illegally in order for them to become legal, probably by force. Africans, Asians, even Mexicans. Do your research.
"Illegal immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border can expect to pay anywhere from $1,500 to $3,500, sometimes less or more depending on the smuggler." How do you explain their ability to come up with these fees? Something is amiss with your theory.
http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/alien-smu...

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#430 Feb 12, 2013
Frito Bandito wrote:
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The smuggler usually makes arrangements to get them a job, where they pay in installments as time goes on. In other cases, the family here usually pitches in to pay the smuggler when no job is arranged.
Thans, I didn't know that bit of information. So the family member is also guilty of aiding and abetting. Does the smuggler tack on fees for the installments...I can't imagine they would be too willing to stretch out the payments unelss it beneifts them in the long run.

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#431 Feb 12, 2013
s/b: Thanks
DWG

Everett, MA

#432 Feb 12, 2013
Suadela wrote:
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Excuse me ...? In what world do you live in???
Asian Guy wrote:
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since this string is about illegals.... it is safe to assume the world of illegals.
Suadela wrote:
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Hahahah...
I wonder if these illegals and their advocates will be glued to the TV hoping to hear Obama speak on the reform nonsense when Obama gives his, "State of Confusion" or rather 'State of the depressed"LOL...(for some who see their pay ck's getting smaller) considering the economy,,,
OH NO YOU Did not wrote:
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That is almost a given for the illegal aliens, but the Latino activists will disagree with you to get more for their people as if there are no other Americans and legal foreign nationals.
Hahahahahahahahahaha

Dwg
Eleanor

Mundelein, IL

#433 Feb 12, 2013
Justtoinformyou wrote:
You guys talk about illegals being criminals, it is criminal to take money from people who are trying to do things the right way and tell them, "Well sorry you don't have enough money to come to the U.S., but thanks for the little bit you do have."
You might want to educate yourself about MEXICO's immigration policy.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/lillpop02...

Being in Mexico illegally is a felony!(punishable by a year in PRISON)

Mexico DEPORTS more people than the USA.

Mexico has the toughest immigration laws.

We should match our immigration laws to that of Mexico.

If you don't have an adequate income to insure you will NOT BE A BURDEN to Mexico, you are NOT PERMITTED to immigrate TO Mexico!

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Level 5

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#435 Feb 12, 2013
Cracker wrote:
They are criminals, there is no pathway to citizenship !
Terrorist Obama hard at work : murdering Americans, while rewarding illegal aliens !
Treason : it's coming !!!!!!
Watch out. Obama is dialing in your GPS coordinates based on your ISP number and gonna send a drone to you..

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Level 5

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#436 Feb 12, 2013
Eleanor wrote:
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You might want to educate yourself about MEXICO's immigration policy.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/lillpop02...
Being in Mexico illegally is a felony!(punishable by a year in PRISON)
Mexico DEPORTS more people than the USA.
Mexico has the toughest immigration laws.
We should match our immigration laws to that of Mexico.
If you don't have an adequate income to insure you will NOT BE A BURDEN to Mexico, you are NOT PERMITTED to immigrate TO Mexico!
While I commend you on presenting Mexico's useless immigration laws, let the below video shed light on the fact that not even Mexico can properly address their own illegal alien problem.

1 Million illegal 'AMERICANS' living in Mexico
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Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#437 Feb 12, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>Thans, I didn't know that bit of information. So the family member is also guilty of aiding and abetting. Does the smuggler tack on fees for the installments...I can't imagine they would be too willing to stretch out the payments unelss it beneifts them in the long run.
You see.. no law or enforcement thereof can stop the flow of illegal immigration. Not even the hate that's often disseminated can stop it.

This will continue until the disparity in wages between Latin-America and North-America close.

Just think about it.$1 is equal to 12.75 Mexican Peso's. A nurse working in Mexico makes around 66 pesos for a nine-hour work day (which is around 30 percent more than Mexico's minimum wage and the equivalent of $6.00 USD).

Working in a sweat shop in the USA will earn you 8 bucks an hr or around $80 bucks a day.

Can you see why so many Mexican come to the USA?

Sure you can give me the famous... Mexico should fix itself... but it's not so we're stuck with this problem.
Mayela

Fairburn, GA

#438 Feb 12, 2013
Nym8387 wrote:
<quoted text>my country isn't heartless,were just taking a page out of the Mexican immigration law book. It's funny how you complain about this country,but forget to mention the fact that Mexican law says you have to be well off to gain citizenship,in other words if you're not rich you can't become a Mexican citizen,you don't see Americans mad about that,lmao
What does Mexico have to do with this? What's your point?
Mayela

Fairburn, GA

#439 Feb 12, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
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since this string is about illegals.... it is safe to assume the world of illegals.
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Same here

Lakewood, NJ

#440 Feb 12, 2013
NOT a criminal wrote:
I agree that many people who are here illegally/undocumented are criminals, but it's wrong to put us all in the same basket. I am here undocumented, but I had absolutely no choice in the matter - I came here legally, applied to stay, my attorney screwed up big time, my application was rejected, I found out over a year later despite contacting the state bar and the then INS, by that time I was here undocument, now my country won't take me back despite that I have absolutely no criminal record. I have no family to turn to, I have NEVER asked for any kind of assiance here in the US, I had a job which I got legally until recently when the business closed down, and i'm still labelled as a criminal by all of you!!!!!
Same here.
It's not fair to label all undocumented as criminal many more ppl than you can ever immagen going through hall just to find out to late that they are already illegal.
Mayela

Fairburn, GA

#442 Feb 12, 2013
Here Is One wrote:
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At one time it was perfectly legal to keep or kill slaves..........
Todays the laws have changed........
At one time everyone was welcome........
Today the laws have changed.......
How very convenient indeed. Where in history does it say the people of the Americas wanted/chose to be colonized?

“Facts”

Level 5

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#443 Feb 12, 2013
Mayela wrote:
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How very convenient indeed. Where in history does it say the people of the Americas wanted/chose to be colonized?
Never said we did.........But white folks came just the same......
Mayela

Fairburn, GA

#444 Feb 12, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>Thans, I didn't know that bit of information. So the family member is also guilty of aiding and abetting. Does the smuggler tack on fees for the installments...I can't imagine they would be too willing to stretch out the payments unelss it beneifts them in the long run.
the London Virginia Company, a group of merchants with financial interest in the American colonies, was more than happy to help the Pilgrims make their journey and set up a colony across the Atlantic—for a price.

That price was seven years of sweat and labor. Basically, the Pilgrims became indentured servants for the first seven years in America in order to complete their voyage. http://www.bigsiteofamazingfacts.com/how-did-...

Keep it comin' kettles, just keep it comin'
DWG

Everett, MA

#445 Feb 12, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
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You see.. no law or enforcement thereof can stop the flow of illegal immigration. Not even the hate that's often disseminated can stop it.
This will continue until the disparity in wages between Latin-America and North-America close.
Just think about it.$1 is equal to 12.75 Mexican Peso's. A nurse working in Mexico makes around 66 pesos for a nine-hour work day (which is around 30 percent more than Mexico's minimum wage and the equivalent of $6.00 USD).
Working in a sweat shop in the USA will earn you 8 bucks an hr or around $80 bucks a day.
Can you see why so many Mexican come to the USA?
Sure you can give me the famous... Mexico should fix itself... but it's not so we're stuck with this problem.
her wage is $6 a day , and she plan buy some day. New house a new house. Same house that was bought today for many americans investors who make in USA around $30 hour.

The question is, what is the economic system in mexico who tolerate this unfair competition?

And it happens in many country in south america and around the world.

thanks
dwg
DWG

Everett, MA

#446 Feb 12, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
You see.. no law or enforcement thereof can stop the flow of illegal immigration. Not even the hate that's often disseminated can stop it.
This will continue until the disparity in wages between Latin-America and North-America close.
Just think about it.$1 is equal to 12.75 Mexican Peso's. A nurse working in Mexico makes around 66 pesos for a nine-hour work day (which is around 30 percent more than Mexico's minimum wage and the equivalent of $6.00 USD).
Working in a sweat shop in the USA will earn you 8 bucks an hr or around $80 bucks a day.
Can you see why so many Mexican come to the USA?
Sure you can give me the famous... Mexico should fix itself... but it's not so we're stuck with this problem.
her wage is $6 a day , and she plan buy some day a new house . Same house that was bought today in mexico for many americans investors who make in USA around $30 hour.

The question is, what is the economic system in mexico who tolerate this unfair competition?

And it happens in many country in south america and around the world.

thanks
dwg
Justtoinformyou

Grand Junction, CO

#447 Feb 12, 2013
Here Is One wrote:
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Entering the country illegally is illegal
So is theft, but the Gov. thinks it's ok as long as the money goes in their pocket. How would you feel if your Mom or closest family member paid to go visit France, Italy, England, or whatever country they have always wanted to visit, they pay $2000 for their visa and passport, go to their interview, get denied, and lose all of that money just because they aren't wealthy. You would be singing a different tune.

“Facts”

Level 5

Since: May 08

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico

#448 Feb 12, 2013
Justtoinformyou wrote:
<quoted text> So is theft, but the Gov. thinks it's ok as long as the money goes in their pocket. How would you feel if your Mom or closest family member paid to go visit France, Italy, England, or whatever country they have always wanted to visit, they pay $2000 for their visa and passport, go to their interview, get denied, and lose all of that money just because they aren't wealthy. You would be singing a different tune.
Tough luck........
DWG

Everett, MA

#449 Feb 12, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
s/b: Thanks
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree if we are talking about the 40% of illegals who come on visas and fail to return when the visa expires.
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:

Walter, you and I have never agreed. You advocate a blanket amnesty using God, Compassion, pity, etc. as the reasons and you leave out the fact that there are laws in place that are being broken by those you advocate for.
I totally understand "AMNESTY" since I have studied it for many years now. I am against a blanket amnesty but I believe there will be compromise and there will be stipulations.

NON COMPLACENT WROTE :...."..... I have studied it for many years now....."

DWG WROTE:

how I see you agreed with me for sure, please pay attention why:

1) Leonardo da Vinci's parachute,

Though credit for the invention of the first practical parachute usually goes to Sebastien Lenormand in 1783, Leonardo da Vinci actually conceived the parachute idea a few hundred years earlier (1485)

Da Vinci made a sketch of the invention with this accompanying description: "If a man have a tent made of linen of which the apertures (openings) have all been stopped up, and it be twelve braccia (about 23 feet) across and twelve in depth, he will be able to throw himself down from any great height without suffering any injury."

http://legacy.mos.org/sln/Leonardo/Leo-Parach...

NON COMPLACENT WROTE :: ".... and you leave out the fact that there are laws in place that are being broken by those you advocate for...."

Dwg Wrote: 1986 this law is just a sketch in the papers, majoritaries do not have enough tecnology to demand Amnesty followed by enforcement. why:

a) USA VISAS failed for many times, and just 2002 start a new program with a biometric Visas more security in the world.

b) 40 % percent of undocumented population are overstay visas.

c) many employers envited many people to come here to USA for low wages.

d) undocumenteds people in USA were very profitable for non-governamental institution like hospitals, jails, phone companies, etc.

How I said American Law exist and must be respected, but for now is just in a paper sketch ( Like Leonardo da Vince ages 1485 ) and you and I will be happy to see it works for real.

thanks
DWG
Justtoinformyou

Grand Junction, CO

#450 Feb 12, 2013
DWG wrote:
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her wage is $6 a day , and she plan buy some day a new house . Same house that was bought today in mexico for many americans investors who make in USA around $30 hour.
The question is, what is the economic system in mexico who tolerate this unfair competition?
And it happens in many country in south america and around the world.
thanks
dwg
The thing is, is that many Americans are ignorant of what goes on in other countries. They don't realize the struggles people have to go through to come legally. The problem isn't just Mexico's Gov. it is ours too. If they deny someone a visa, they need to refund the $120(1530 pesos) they pay. That is 20 worth or wages if the person is making 66 pesos a day and that is only if they use every cent on the visa. Most Americans won't work like that to take care of their families let alone to get a visa. Think about this. Where do Americans on welfare get their welfare money? The Government. Where does the Gov. get that money from? Sure taxes, but they also get it from the poor folks that work hard to pay for a visa and get denied, so if you think about it, All of you on Welfare are being supported by foreigners even those ILLEGALS you speak so negatively about!

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