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At a downtown church, illegal immigrants speak of fears of deportation

There are 494 comments on the Mountain Xpress story from Mar 10, 2014, titled At a downtown church, illegal immigrants speak of fears of deportation. In it, Mountain Xpress reports that:

After crossing a river back into the United States from Mexico with a small group of immigrants, Skarlett Salazar was told to go her separate way, as the rest had done, to avoid detection by immigration authorities.

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Aphelion

Palm Bay, FL

#291 May 16, 2014
Baron44 wrote:
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Now you are saying if I loan my car to a friend he can now sell you my car and it will not be considered as stolen goods?
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For I effectively gave my friend the car to drive.
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The Mexican elected the Government (General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna) to govern the country not to sell the land that was not his to sell in the first place.
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Are you saying that Obama now has the rights to sell off Puerto Rico or maybe Hawaii?
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For he was elected as your president.
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The same as you saying it is okay for Kim Jong-un to be cruel to his people, for they elected him.
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What a stupid analogy you make same as I did.
Maybe you should do a little research on the type of government that was in place in Mexico at the time of Santa Anna. Far different than the current governance of the US in the rules and restrictions applied to our leaders.

You appear to confuse what a leader is capable of doing during their rule with what would be right. Two completely different things. But nice try.
American Citizen

Phoenix, AZ

#292 May 16, 2014
Asian Guy wrote:
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you are so messed up, it's unbelievable.
let me just say this, moron. if you think you have the right to some land, go ahead, try to take it.
like Riddick said in the movie, "it's yours if you can keep it."
in the meantime, what are you going to do to the people who currently live in the usa if you think we are living on YOUR land? are you going to kill us all? force us to pay you homage of some sorts?
Right on sir. But Mexicans cannot field an effective army. Mexicans are too incompetent and not brave enough.

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#293 May 16, 2014
Aphelion wrote:
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Maybe you should do a little research on the type of government that was in place in Mexico at the time of Santa Anna. Far different than the current governance of the US in the rules and restrictions applied to our leaders.
You appear to confuse what a leader is capable of doing during their rule with what would be right. Two completely different things. But nice try.
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You do not want to sit back and read what I posted and digest it.
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I did my research on four countries the USA was one of the Countries.
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All I am saying you can not sell what is not yours.
Antonio López de Santa Anna was not allowed to sell land that did not belong to him.

And the third party may not buy something when they are aware that the seller did not own the Item in the first place.
The US was not allowed to buy land from Antonio López de Santa Anna, for the US was aware that the land they were buying, Antonio López de Santa Anna had no deeds of ownership.
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Because a leader of a country does the wrong thing >>>> does that make it right?
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In actual fact you are saying what Kim Jong-un is doing is okay for he is the leader.
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You are saying what Hitler did to the Jews from 1939 till 1945 is all okay for at that time Hitler was the leader.
As a matter of fact Hitler was elected democratically by the people.
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When Abraham Lincoln had native Indians killed on his orders that was okay for he was the elected leader of the US.
Lincoln ordered the execution of thirty-eight Dakota Indians for ... in the largest mass execution in US history–on orders of President Abraham Lincoln.

December 26, 1862: thirty-eight Dakota Indians were hanged in Mankato, Minnesota, in the largest mass execution in US history–on orders of President Abraham Lincoln. Their crime: killing 490 white settlers, including women and children, in the Santee Sioux uprising the previous August.

The execution took place on a giant square scaffold in the center of town, in front of an audience of hundreds of white people. The thirty-eight Dakota men “wailed and danced atop the gallows,” according to Robert K. Elder of The New York Times,“waiting for the trapdoors to drop beneath them.” A witness reported that,“as the last moment rapidly approached, they each called out their name and shouted in their native language:‘I’m here! I’m here!’&#8201;

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Of course it is all right to go and kill all those native Indians the leader of the US said it was alright
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School children are still being taught that large areas of North America are uninhabited as if this land belongs to no one and never did. The role of our ancestors as caretakers is constantly and habitually overlooked by colonial society.
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Before the arrival of Europeans, cities and towns here were flourishing. Mexico City had a larger population than any city in Europe. The people were healthy and well-fed. The first Europeans were amazed. The agricultural products developed by the Indigenous people transformed human nutrition internationally.
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The North American Indian holocaust was studied by South Africa for their apartheid program and by Hitler for his genocide of the Jews during World War II. Hitler commented that he admired the great job Americans had done in taking care of the Indian problem. The policies used to kill us off was so successful that people today generally assume that our population was low. Hitler told a past US President when he remarked about their maltreatment of the Jewish people, he mind your own business. You’re the worst.
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I hope that the above explained it all to you.

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#294 May 16, 2014
American Citizen wrote:
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Right on sir. But Mexicans cannot field an effective army. Mexicans are too incompetent and not brave enough.
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The Vietnamese are saying the exact same words
INFIDEL

Socorro, NM

#295 May 16, 2014
American Citizen wrote:
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Right on sir. But Mexicans cannot field an effective army. Mexicans are too incompetent and not brave enough.
Mexico does not have to field an effective army and invade. Brainwashed Anglos will just give the United States away out of "race guilt". It is already happening.
Aphelion

Palm Bay, FL

#296 May 16, 2014
Baron44 wrote:
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You do not want to sit back and read what I posted and digest it.
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I did my research on four countries the USA was one of the Countries.
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All I am saying you can not sell what is not yours.
Antonio López de Santa Anna was not allowed to sell land that did not belong to him.
And the third party may not buy something when they are aware that the seller did not own the Item in the first place.
The US was not allowed to buy land from Antonio López de Santa Anna, for the US was aware that the land they were buying, Antonio López de Santa Anna had no deeds of ownership.
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Because a leader of a country does the wrong thing >>>> does that make it right?
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In actual fact you are saying what Kim Jong-un is doing is okay for he is the leader.
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You are saying what Hitler did to the Jews from 1939 till 1945 is all okay for at that time Hitler was the leader.
As a matter of fact Hitler was elected democratically by the people.
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When Abraham Lincoln had native Indians killed on his orders that was okay for he was the elected leader of the US.
Lincoln ordered the execution of thirty-eight Dakota Indians for ... in the largest mass execution in US history–on orders of President Abraham Lincoln.
December 26, 1862: thirty-eight Dakota Indians were hanged in Mankato, Minnesota, in the largest mass execution in US history–on orders of President Abraham Lincoln. Their crime: killing 490 white settlers, including women and children, in the Santee Sioux uprising the previous August.
The execution took place on a giant square scaffold in the center of town, in front of an audience of hundreds of white people. The thirty-eight Dakota men “wailed and danced atop the gallows,” according to Robert K. Elder of The New York Times,“waiting for the trapdoors to drop beneath them.” A witness reported that,“as the last moment rapidly approached, they each called out their name and shouted in their native language:‘I’m here! I’m here!’&#8201;
http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/issues/lin...
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http://espressostalinist.com/genocide/native-...
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http://espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/...
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http://espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/...
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Of course it is all right to go and kill all those native Indians the leader of the US said it was alright
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School children are still being taught that large areas of North America are uninhabited as if this land belongs to no one and never did. The role of our ancestors as caretakers is constantly and habitually overlooked by colonial society.
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Before the arrival of Europeans, cities and towns here were flourishing. Mexico City had a larger population than any city in Europe. The people were healthy and well-fed. The first Europeans were amazed. The agricultural products developed by the Indigenous people transformed human nutrition internationally.
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The North American Indian holocaust was studied by South Africa for their apartheid program and by Hitler for his genocide of the Jews during World War II. Hitler commented that he admired the great job Americans had done in taking care of the Indian problem. The policies used to kill us off was so successful that people today generally assume that our population was low. Hitler told a past US President when he remarked about their maltreatment of the Jewish people, he mind your own business. You’re the worst.
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I hope that the above explained it all to you.
Again you appear to be confused about what an elected leader is able to do as opposed to what should be morally right. Your examples of other poor and morally incorrect choices past leaders have made only further demonstrates my point.

I could attempt to explain it to you but it appears that you are locked into your belief that the land was stolen. This would be your belief and opinion but hardly the reality or the truth of the matter.
Aphelion

Palm Bay, FL

#297 May 16, 2014
Baron44 wrote:
<quoted text>
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You do not want to sit back and read what I posted and digest it.
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I did my research on four countries the USA was one of the Countries.
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All I am saying you can not sell what is not yours.
Antonio López de Santa Anna was not allowed to sell land that did not belong to him.
And the third party may not buy something when they are aware that the seller did not own the Item in the first place.
The US was not allowed to buy land from Antonio López de Santa Anna, for the US was aware that the land they were buying, Antonio López de Santa Anna had no deeds of ownership.
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Because a leader of a country does the wrong thing >>>> does that make it right?
-
In actual fact you are saying what Kim Jong-un is doing is okay for he is the leader.
-
You are saying what Hitler did to the Jews from 1939 till 1945 is all okay for at that time Hitler was the leader.
As a matter of fact Hitler was elected democratically by the people.
-
When Abraham Lincoln had native Indians killed on his orders that was okay for he was the elected leader of the US.
Lincoln ordered the execution of thirty-eight Dakota Indians for ... in the largest mass execution in US history–on orders of President Abraham Lincoln.
December 26, 1862: thirty-eight Dakota Indians were hanged in Mankato, Minnesota, in the largest mass execution in US history–on orders of President Abraham Lincoln. Their crime: killing 490 white settlers, including women and children, in the Santee Sioux uprising the previous August.
The execution took place on a giant square scaffold in the center of town, in front of an audience of hundreds of white people. The thirty-eight Dakota men “wailed and danced atop the gallows,” according to Robert K. Elder of The New York Times,“waiting for the trapdoors to drop beneath them.” A witness reported that,“as the last moment rapidly approached, they each called out their name and shouted in their native language:‘I’m here! I’m here!’&#8201;

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Of course it is all right to go and kill all those native Indians the leader of the US said it was alright
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School children are still being taught that large areas of North America are uninhabited as if this land belongs to no one and never did. The role of our ancestors as caretakers is constantly and habitually overlooked by colonial society.
-
Before the arrival of Europeans, cities and towns here were flourishing. Mexico City had a larger population than any city in Europe. The people were healthy and well-fed. The first Europeans were amazed. The agricultural products developed by the Indigenous people transformed human nutrition internationally.
-
The North American Indian holocaust was studied by South Africa for their apartheid program and by Hitler for his genocide of the Jews during World War II. Hitler commented that he admired the great job Americans had done in taking care of the Indian problem. The policies used to kill us off was so successful that people today generally assume that our population was low. Hitler told a past US President when he remarked about their maltreatment of the Jewish people, he mind your own business. You’re the worst.
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I hope that the above explained it all to you.
It appears that you are confused about what a countries leader can do and what they should do. A leaders actions do not necessarily have to tow the moral line, although most decent and moral individuals would hope that they would.. But then instead of a moral individual Mexico elected (6 times officially and 5 more times not) a despot and a dictator. They bear the fruits of their decision. To cry 100 years later and say we want a do over is both childish and disingenuous.

I hope that this explains it for you

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Since: Nov 08

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#298 May 16, 2014
INFIDEL wrote:
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Mexico does not have to field an effective army and invade. Brainwashed Anglos will just give the United States away out of "race guilt". It is already happening.
They are already giving America away to the Muslims.
At the growth rate of Islam very soon there be a flag with a crescent moon flying over the white house.
Already they vote a Muslim Black President in as their leader

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Since: Nov 08

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#299 May 16, 2014
Aphelion wrote:
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Again you appear to be confused about what an elected leader is able to do as opposed to what should be morally right. Your examples of other poor and morally incorrect choices past leaders have made only further demonstrates my point.
I could attempt to explain it to you but it appears that you are locked into your belief that the land was stolen. This would be your belief and opinion but hardly the reality or the truth of the matter.
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Now you are saying that all the elected leaders of the US were morally right.
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Is that the reason Bush could not find WMD in Iraq although he he insisted they were there.
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That is the reason you had Nixon kicked out.
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That is you a president telling lies
I have not had sex with that woman.
And the list goes on an d on

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Almost all leaders of democratic elected nation are or were immoral.

Knowingly buying stolen land is immoral.
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By. the way the Mexican do not even want you to give them back the land all they want is to be able to work for slave wages, that way they can feed their family back home.
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Are you even denying the Mexican to work for you on slaves wages?
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However you are willing to give billions of dollars to those that are killing your boys?
Aphelion

Palm Bay, FL

#300 May 16, 2014
Baron44 wrote:
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Now you are saying that all the elected leaders of the US were morally right.
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Is that the reason Bush could not find WMD in Iraq although he he insisted they were there.
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That is the reason you had Nixon kicked out.
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That is you a president telling lies
I have not had sex with that woman.
And the list goes on an d on
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Almost all leaders of democratic elected nation are or were immoral.
Knowingly buying stolen land is immoral.
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By. the way the Mexican do not even want you to give them back the land all they want is to be able to work for slave wages, that way they can feed their family back home.
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Are you even denying the Mexican to work for you on slaves wages?
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However you are willing to give billions of dollars to those that are killing your boys?
Ok dimwit ... no reading comprehension skills?

I never stated that what anyone did was right! What I stated was that that is a huge difference between what a leader is capable of doing and what would be morally right for them to do.

Given that you appear to have gone off the rails of reality ....

Immorality is not only limited to the leaders of democratic nations ... but then why would you actually be honest. Hardly fits into your apparent agenda.

The Mexicans who work for slave wages (your term) do so because the are here "illegally"!!!!! Can believe you were stupid enough to even present this argument.
But to your point .... yes I would deny them to even work for slave wages .... they do not belong here and should get out.

You might as well get over the stolen land fantasy. The reality is that the Mexicans were weak and ignorant and lost the land. They were just lucky that the US decided to pay them for it instead of just taking is as we could have. Your lucky that we left you any land at all.

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Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#301 May 16, 2014
Aphelion wrote:
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It appears that you are confused about what a countries leader can do and what they should do. A leaders actions do not necessarily have to tow the moral line, although most decent and moral individuals would hope that they would.. But then instead of a moral individual Mexico elected (6 times officially and 5 more times not) a despot and a dictator. They bear the fruits of their decision. To cry 100 years later and say we want a do over is both childish and disingenuous.
I hope that this explains it for you
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Now you are saying stiff shite, you Mexican had a bad leader, and we Americans took advantage of your bad leaders, and bought the stolen land.
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Why did you not say the same about the Philippines, West Germany or Japan
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With the amount of money you sunk into those 3 countries, you could of well bought it 10 times over.
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The USA announced an aid of over 20 billion dollars. to Iraq and they shot up your boys
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Try to be more passionate and human and give the Latinos a job that no white or black Amirican would want to do.

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Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#302 May 16, 2014
Aphelion wrote:
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Ok dimwit ... no reading comprehension skills?
I never stated that what anyone did was right! What I stated was that that is a huge difference between what a leader is capable of doing and what would be morally right for them to do.
Given that you appear to have gone off the rails of reality ....
Immorality is not only limited to the leaders of democratic nations ... but then why would you actually be honest. Hardly fits into your apparent agenda.
The Mexicans who work for slave wages (your term) do so because the are here "illegally"!!!!! Can believe you were stupid enough to even present this argument.
But to your point .... yes I would deny them to even work for slave wages .... they do not belong here and should get out.
You might as well get over the stolen land fantasy. The reality is that the Mexicans were weak and ignorant and lost the land. They were just lucky that the US decided to pay them for it instead of just taking is as we could have. Your lucky that we left you any land at all.
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I never wrote your history
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Tell that to those that wrote your history.
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Read your own history, I am only the messenger.
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http://thetruthisfreedom.wordpress.com/2010/0...
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http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/gua...

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Since: Jan 12

Ashburn, VA

#303 May 16, 2014
Aphelion wrote:
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Santa Anna fought first against Mexican independence from Spain, then in support of it. Though not the first caudillo (military leader) of Mexico, he was among the earliest.
He was general and president multiple times over a turbulent 40-year career; he was president on eleven non-consecutive occasions over a period of 22 years. A wealthy landowner, he built a firm political base in the major port city of Veracruz. He was the hero of the Army; he sought glory for himself and his army, and repeatedly rebuilt it after major losses. A brave soldier and a cunning politician, he so dominated his era that historians often call it the "Age of Santa Anna."
Kinda hard to accuse the person who the people of Mexico elected as their president 11 times, as the thief of their countries land.
Listen you dumb ape...."Mexico" is nothing more than a colonial settler state. Don't pretend that the indigenous people have any say in the country's affairs...all political and economic power is held by white colonialists. Spanish is a EUROPEAN language. Why do idiots like you always exculpatory the racist Mexican government and the racist white Mexican oligarchy? The Mexican government encourages illegal migration because their 3rd world cesspool is propped by remittances from the USA. The white Mexicans can happily hoard all of the country's wealth while the USA looks after their unwanted brown citizens.

Level 1

Since: Jan 12

Ashburn, VA

#304 May 16, 2014
Exculpate.......I hate autocorrect
Aphelion

Palm Bay, FL

#305 May 16, 2014
Baron44 wrote:
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Now you are saying stiff shite, you Mexican had a bad leader, and we Americans took advantage of your bad leaders, and bought the stolen land.
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Why did you not say the same about the Philippines, West Germany or Japan
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With the amount of money you sunk into those 3 countries, you could of well bought it 10 times over.
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The USA announced an aid of over 20 billion dollars. to Iraq and they shot up your boys
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Try to be more passionate and human and give the Latinos a job that no white or black Amirican would want to do.
Yeah ... ok
It appears you may have been educated in Mexico judging from your grammar and sentence syntax.

Your misfortune just as it was the misfortune and ignorance of the Mexican people to elect a despot as their leader. And you want to blame the US for this. LOL Problem was that the Mexican people were as weak as their leader and still are today. This is why they sneak into the US to steal jobs and benefits they do not deserve .... low intellect and lack of a moral compass. This is why they don't attempt to fix their own country and instead choose to abandon it.
Aphelion

Palm Bay, FL

#306 May 16, 2014
Baron44 wrote:
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I never wrote your history
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Tell that to those that wrote your history.
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Read your own history, I am only the messenger.
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http://thetruthisfreedom.wordpress.com/2010/0...
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http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/gua...
Still struggling with that reading comprehension? What does your attempting to put words in my mouth regarding what I cogently typed in my response to you, have to do with how history is written?

Level 1

Since: Jan 12

Ashburn, VA

#307 May 16, 2014
Baron44 wrote:
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I never wrote your history
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Tell that to those that wrote your history.
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Read your own history, I am only the messenger.
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http://thetruthisfreedom.wordpress.com/2010/0...

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/gua...
Don't be a moron....you can't steal land from another white colonial settler state....it is not immoral for a thief to steal from a thief. Mexico or USA is irrelevant...both treat indigenous poorly. Why do people like you pretend as if an Iberian is somehow an indigenous American.
Aphelion

Palm Bay, FL

#308 May 16, 2014
YoavProudDhimmi wrote:
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Listen you dumb ape...."Mexico" is nothing more than a colonial settler state. Don't pretend that the indigenous people have any say in the country's affairs...all political and economic power is held by white colonialists. Spanish is a EUROPEAN language. Why do idiots like you always exculpatory the racist Mexican government and the racist white Mexican oligarchy? The Mexican government encourages illegal migration because their 3rd world cesspool is propped by remittances from the USA. The white Mexicans can happily hoard all of the country's wealth while the USA looks after their unwanted brown citizens.
Discounted after the first sentence due to lack of intelligence.
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Since: Sep 07

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#309 May 16, 2014
Aphelion wrote:
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Discounted after the first sentence due to lack of intelligence.
lack of intelligence?

if anybody is lacking in intelligence, it's you reconquistas. do you really believe that americans and America will just let you idiots take over the usa?

the liberals are really stupid. but even they will rise up and clip your stupid ideas of conquering the usa when they finally realize what you Hispanic illegals are up to.

that time is coming soon. even as we speak, we are finding out just who is aligned with whom in this hidden war that you illegals have declared on the usa.

it will be a turkey shoot.
Storm Warning

Baraboo, WI

#310 May 16, 2014
Baron44 wrote:
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By the way if Canada had no immigration, Canada would not be where it is to-day, one the most affluent country in the world, Ranking as number 16 in the world.
yeah right and i am sure you will leave out their restrictive laws on speech so no none can disagree with you, and the restrictive laws on personal defense, and their importation into north America of the filth of the third world which your White citizens have to feed house and cloth,
nor will you mention the parasitic prices paid for goods provided by the royal family through dummy corporations, we should carve Canada up into a dozen states

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