What to expect if President Obama wins second term

There are 20 comments on the Sep 9, 2012, Philadelphia's WB 17 story titled What to expect if President Obama wins second term. In it, Philadelphia's WB 17 reports that:

Trying to increase tax rates on the very wealthy would be a top priority. Iran, healthcare, immigration and campaign reform are other vital issues.

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#67 Sep 10, 2012
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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Obama's last jobs bills, shovel ready, cash for clunkers, green energy projects (17) bankrupt.
And you think the next one will work. Brudder, the gullible left.
The gullible are those who don't understand what the roadblock is about. It's twofold: 1) never let Obama receive credit for creating jobs. According to Mitch McConnell, that's job number one - not helping the economy or putting Americans back to work. Nope. Preventing Obama from being elected. THAT is not why we sent the a-hole to Congress; and 2) The bill ends tax incentives for outsourcing jobs and affords tax deductions for the costs of repatriating your business and hiring Americans.

This has nothing to do with cash for clunkers or green energy. It's about manufacturing and promoting America and Americans as a good place to produce product.

Last, we MUST invest in green energy technology unless we want to get further behind the loop and unable to compete with China and India. China is about to break through on clean coal technology. We don't want to be left at the gate. There is only enough oil charted in U.S. territory to run this nation for 300 years, and that is a relatively short period of time in history. Oh, I know you and I won't be around for the catastrophic outcome if we don't find alternative sources of energy, but I have grandchildren, and I expect they'll have children, and so forth. I'd like them to prosper just as we have prospered in America. It's not all about instant gratification and to hell with future generations.
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#68 Sep 10, 2012
obarry wrote:
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His jobs bill? Why wait? People are hurting now.
Uh, no. Not after the last four years of fiasco's. Thanks!!

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#69 Sep 10, 2012
obarry wrote:
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His jobs bill? Why wait? People are hurting now.
WEll, please tell the Republicans you want it passed. They blocked it.

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#70 Sep 10, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>WEll, please tell the Republicans you want it passed. They blocked it.
Really...?

And who blocked his budget?

Here's a hint. Harry Reid.

You know Harry.... that Democrat leader of the Senate.
Obama's own party shot down his budget. That really ought to give you just a little bit of a clue.

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#71 Sep 10, 2012
SOP when there aren't the required votes to pass a bill. Both sides use the tactic.
Bama Yankee wrote:
<quoted text>Really...?
And who blocked his budget?
Here's a hint. Harry Reid.
You know Harry.... that Democrat leader of the Senate.
Obama's own party shot down his budget. That really ought to give you just a little bit of a clue.
obarry

Oak Hill, WV

#72 Sep 10, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>WEll, please tell the Republicans you want it passed. They blocked it.
He had his first 2 years with dems backing him. Why not then? Where was his budget then?
gossamer

Warren, MI

#73 Sep 10, 2012
Bama Yankee wrote:
<quoted text>Really...?
And who blocked his budget?
Here's a hint. Harry Reid.
You know Harry.... that Democrat leader of the Senate.
Obama's own party shot down his budget. That really ought to give you just a little bit of a clue.
Discerning Americans know just what Obama was up to with his so-called “jobs bill.” Here’s your Cliff Notes version:

Your mantra is tax increases. As you have said on many occasions, you want tax increases not so much to raise revenue as to take money away from people you think don’t deserve it and give it to people who do.

You engage in rhetoric over the course of a few years telling your followers that the rich “need to pay” their fair share of taxes.

You change that rhetoric in recent months to the rich “are not paying” their fair share of taxes.

You then read the polls which show that the majority of Americans have bought your rhetoric and believe taxes should be raised on the rich. Your class warfare campaign is working.

You realize that the majority of Americans supporting tax increases on the hated rich gives you a grand political opportunity, so you create a tax increase bill to play to the envies of your voting base. You know the bill won’t pass … but that’s not the point. You’re looking for campaign points.

You realize that if you couch the bill as a “tax increase” on the edge of a double-dip recession people will resurrect your statement that you “don’t raise taxes in a recession” and beat you about the head and shoulders with it.

So you decide to take your tax bill and plug in some infrastructure work projects and give some money to local governments to pay teachers. Now you can call it a “jobs bill.”

You travel the country spouting your “pass this bill now” catch phrase sprinkled with touches of your “the rich aren’t paying their fair share” class warfare rhetoric.

Senate Republicans call for an immediate vote on the bill. This isn’t part of your plan, so you instruct your Senate majority leader to make sure the bill isn’t voted on … just yet.

The bill finally dies in the senate when Republicans, along with a few Democrats, refuse to allow debate on the bill to proceed. The GOP is playing right into your hands.

Now you have your class warfare campaign theme set to go. You proposed a plan to create jobs – though it was really just a tax hike bill – the GOP killed it. Now you can say that the Republicans killed a jobs bill to protect the rich from having to pay their fair share.

You sit back and wait for the ObamaMedia to carry the message to the people.

So .. is the plan working out? Let’s take a look at what is now happening in the ObamaMedia:

We will start with MSNBC. Here’s the article on the MSNBC website. Despite defeat, Obama's jobs bill is popular. OK, so a great many of the uninformed dumb masses like Obama’s jobs bill and want it to be passed, right? Wrong. Once you actually read the article, it turns out that 30% of respondents said Congress should pass the legislation, 22% said “no it shouldn’t” and … 44% have no opinion. The plurality of people have either given up caring or are too busy watching Entertainment Tonight to have a clue what this jobs legislation is even about. Everyone keeps reminding us that jobs are top of mind, jobs jobs jobs! But when it comes to the president’s jobs plan, most Americans have no opinion on the matter?

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#74 Sep 10, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>The gullible are those who don't understand what the roadblock is about. It's twofold: 1) never let Obama receive credit for creating jobs. According to Mitch McConnell, that's job number one - not helping the economy or putting Americans back to work. Nope. Preventing Obama from being elected. THAT is not why we sent the a-hole to Congress; and 2) The bill ends tax incentives for outsourcing jobs and affords tax deductions for the costs of repatriating your business and hiring Americans.
This has nothing to do with cash for clunkers or green energy. It's about manufacturing and promoting America and Americans as a good place to produce product.
Last, we MUST invest in green energy technology unless we want to get further behind the loop and unable to compete with China and India. China is about to break through on clean coal technology. We don't want to be left at the gate. There is only enough oil charted in U.S. territory to run this nation for 300 years, and that is a relatively short period of time in history. Oh, I know you and I won't be around for the catastrophic outcome if we don't find alternative sources of energy, but I have grandchildren, and I expect they'll have children, and so forth. I'd like them to prosper just as we have prospered in America. It's not all about instant gratification and to hell with future generations.
There isn't any difference between the left wing propaganda that you post and the right wing crap. It's all BS. They're all after power. The problem I have is with a dying breed of 60's hippies that think they won something with Obama. He has his own agenda and we are all subject to be thrown under the bus....One thing I like about this forum is news gets out there and it makes people think, but dont think anything here is ever going to mean anything. We have way to many people who are self made slaves, whether to their jobs, lifestyles, or the government. This country is doomed because nobody cares and allows pos' to be elected to power that have nothing in their minds other than greed and glory....Are you part of their "click", I'm not. If they got shot off their podiem tomorrow, I wouldn't give a shyt. They deserve it.....BTW, the sale was pretty good. Thanks for asking. lol.

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#75 Sep 10, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
SOP when there aren't the required votes to pass a bill. Both sides use the tactic.
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Geezes, you really are uninformed aren't you?

The vote was 99-0 against it.

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#76 Sep 10, 2012
Bama Yankee wrote:
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Geezes, you really are uninformed aren't you?
The vote was 99-0 against it.
Didn't that happen twice?

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#77 Sep 10, 2012
obarry wrote:
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He had his first 2 years with dems backing him. Why not then? Where was his budget then?
He actually had a full four months of majority control of Congress - not two years. Obama never had more than 58 Senators, and you need 60 to break a filibuster. From 2008 to 2010, there were a record setting number of filibusters in the Senate.

Why not then is a good question, and it's one of the reasons I believe Obama didn't do all that he could have done. I don't commend him as being a truly effective leader. He has been a disappointment, but his track record isn't all that bad. I seriously doubt that even Jesus Christ could have worked out a budget compromise with the Tea Party Republicans and their Grover Norquist "no new taxes" pledge that obviously included simply ending the TAX CUTS from Bush days and weren't really "new" taxes.

Nevertheless, all you have to do is pay attention to the vagueries of Mitt Romney's Tax Proposal, his stated intention to increase Defense spending and his promise to overturn Dodd-Frank and the ACA in order to know, this is NOT the way to go. By default, Obama remains unmistakedly the better option of the two.

Suit yourself. I'm not going back willingly for another round of the trickle down that NEVER trickles down. We have proof conclusive that it doesn't work. I don't see any reason to revisit the issue and further enrich the wealthiest at the expense of the poorest who will repay us in spades when they become desperate. It's morally reprehensible.

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#78 Sep 10, 2012
Jack from Bedias wrote:
<quoted text>There isn't any difference between the left wing propaganda that you post and the right wing crap. It's all BS. They're all after power. The problem I have is with a dying breed of 60's hippies that think they won something with Obama. He has his own agenda and we are all subject to be thrown under the bus....One thing I like about this forum is news gets out there and it makes people think, but dont think anything here is ever going to mean anything. We have way to many people who are self made slaves, whether to their jobs, lifestyles, or the government. This country is doomed because nobody cares and allows pos' to be elected to power that have nothing in their minds other than greed and glory....Are you part of their "click", I'm not. If they got shot off their podiem tomorrow, I wouldn't give a shyt. They deserve it.....BTW, the sale was pretty good. Thanks for asking. lol.
I don't think I won anything with Obama's election. I do think we stymied an ongoing Bush program though, and I certainly had a lot of company in the solid majority vote by Americans that we were not going to continue with Republicans, especially one who had voted with Bush on every major agenda save one (and, frankly, I've forgettn what that was now). So, Obama by default. Once again, the options are not great, but from what I know of Romney's plan, it will be Obama by default again for me. Neither is inspirational, and the American people are frustrated and worried. Rightfully so. When the Capitalist economic model ceases providing the greatest good for the greatest number of people, the recipe for failure of the model looms large.
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#79 Sep 10, 2012
Something shocking is happening to the Democratic Party. Its committed adherents are whipping themselves into a frenzy of grievance that justifies seeing their fellow Americans as both evil and a free-cash machine.
Obama did not singlehandedly create this mad orgy, but he lit the match and shows the way. On this, he is a true leader, a transformative one. His invocation of FDR is not unwarranted, even as his channeling of Lincoln’s pain smacked of cheesy self-reverence.
Instead of a guarantee of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, our culture would be reshaped by a growing collectivist power, vested in the state, that would command ever more resources and control. The claim of “leveling the playing field” is, in reality, a plan to control the outcome.
As famously promised, the financial crisis has not been wasted. The recession lingers for many families. Unemployment remains stuck at a destructive level. The deficit soars — we borrow nearly $3 billion a day,$20 billion a week,$1 trillion a year.
These are serious problems to most mortals, but for him, they are rich opportunities to expand the reach of Washington. The soaring debt is not soaring enough, so more treasure must be thrown into the bonfire of his vanities. It is a fire consuming the future under the guise of fairness.
This is not mere class warfare. That’s just a tactic. The goal, as it always has been for his kind throughout history, is to accumulate power that the elite can wield without accountability or checks and balances.
Give the man his due. We have not seen his like in our times. His charisma and political skills are unmatched. If only they were admirably used.
Obama promised to unite the country and, his lie exposed, is now determined to win re-election by any means necessary. He may succeed.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/oba...

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#80 Sep 10, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think I won anything with Obama's election. I do think we stymied an ongoing Bush program though, and I certainly had a lot of company in the solid majority vote by Americans that we were not going to continue with Republicans, especially one who had voted with Bush on every major agenda save one (and, frankly, I've forgettn what that was now). So, Obama by default. Once again, the options are not great, but from what I know of Romney's plan, it will be Obama by default again for me. Neither is inspirational, and the American people are frustrated and worried. Rightfully so. When the Capitalist economic model ceases providing the greatest good for the greatest number of people, the recipe for failure of the model looms large.
So-be-it. I will continue in my slippage into the unknown and unnamed oblivion. A free, taxfree haven. You deal with the azzzholes.
nym8387

Brooklyn, NY

#81 Sep 10, 2012
guest wrote:
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Lol, that's a good one! None of those businesses or yours do anything to improve our economy. Then you bitch about our economy not improving!
There is nothing that would make you bring your company back to US soil, including Romney!
Your a joke as a US citizen, just cha2nge your status to Mexican and be done with it!
now I know what a loser Barry really is.
jackson

Lexington, KY

#84 Sep 11, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
Something shocking is happening to the Democratic Party. Its committed adherents are whipping themselves into a frenzy of grievance that justifies seeing their fellow Americans as both evil and a free-cash machine.
Obama did not singlehandedly create this mad orgy, but he lit the match and shows the way. On this, he is a true leader, a transformative one. His invocation of FDR is not unwarranted, even as his channeling of Lincoln’s pain smacked of cheesy self-reverence.
Instead of a guarantee of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, our culture would be reshaped by a growing collectivist power, vested in the state, that would command ever more resources and control. The claim of “leveling the playing field” is, in reality, a plan to control the outcome.
As famously promised, the financial crisis has not been wasted. The recession lingers for many families. Unemployment remains stuck at a destructive level. The deficit soars — we borrow nearly $3 billion a day,$20 billion a week,$1 trillion a year.
These are serious problems to most mortals, but for him, they are rich opportunities to expand the reach of Washington. The soaring debt is not soaring enough, so more treasure must be thrown into the bonfire of his vanities. It is a fire consuming the future under the guise of fairness.
This is not mere class warfare. That’s just a tactic. The goal, as it always has been for his kind throughout history, is to accumulate power that the elite can wield without accountability or checks and balances.
Give the man his due. We have not seen his like in our times. His charisma and political skills are unmatched. If only they were admirably used.
Obama promised to unite the country and, his lie exposed, is now determined to win re-election by any means necessary. He may succeed.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/oba...
Thanks! Good information and very well said.
jackson

Lexington, KY

#85 Sep 11, 2012
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>If Obama can get his Jobs Bill through early next year, I think you'll find your business is booming! Tax incentives to come home and an end to incentives to offshore is a recipe to generate a lot more interest in using American labor. I hope you score a homerun in 2012, and I support your efforts 100%!
Obama signed a jobs bill in April -- yet the jobs market continues in decline. The economy continues in a decline. The housing market, while improving slightly, is still in trouble. We still have no budget (another dismissal of the laws of his office).
No big deal -- he'll just borrow more money and spend, spend, spend some more! Putting borrowed money after borrowed money after bad ideas. Yet you continue to think he's a leader.
You're so against tax incentives for corporations, yet you want tax incentives.
More and more of his attempts that have failed miserably -- not only failed to help our country, but proves his dearth of leadership skills. He does not want our country to prosper, is anti-capitalist, and anti-American. He does not want each of us to succeed, he wants each of us to be mind-numb robots for the federal government.
jackson

Lexington, KY

#86 Sep 11, 2012
I heard on the radio this morning (CNN) that Iran is developing drones. Wonderful. Range up to 200 miles. A ship in international waters could send drones to hit us. Again, wonderful.
Where is Obama's foreign policy regarding Iran? Wait and see? Hmmmm......... tell that to the families of those who may be killed in that drone attack.
Obama has no foreign policy - well, except, maybe, to bow to all other countries and to apologize that America is the greatest country in the world -- I guess that's his foreign policy -- oh, and the "wait till after the election, I'll have more flexibility" foreign policy.

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#87 Sep 11, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
Something shocking is happening to the Democratic Party. Its committed adherents are whipping themselves into a frenzy of grievance that justifies seeing their fellow Americans as both evil and a free-cash machine.
Obama did not singlehandedly create this mad orgy, but he lit the match and shows the way. On this, he is a true leader, a transformative one. His invocation of FDR is not unwarranted, even as his channeling of Lincoln’s pain smacked of cheesy self-reverence.
Instead of a guarantee of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, our culture would be reshaped by a growing collectivist power, vested in the state, that would command ever more resources and control. The claim of “leveling the playing field” is, in reality, a plan to control the outcome.
As famously promised, the financial crisis has not been wasted. The recession lingers for many families. Unemployment remains stuck at a destructive level. The deficit soars — we borrow nearly $3 billion a day,$20 billion a week,$1 trillion a year.
These are serious problems to most mortals, but for him, they are rich opportunities to expand the reach of Washington. The soaring debt is not soaring enough, so more treasure must be thrown into the bonfire of his vanities. It is a fire consuming the future under the guise of fairness.
This is not mere class warfare. That’s just a tactic. The goal, as it always has been for his kind throughout history, is to accumulate power that the elite can wield without accountability or checks and balances.
Give the man his due. We have not seen his like in our times. His charisma and political skills are unmatched. If only they were admirably used.
Obama promised to unite the country and, his lie exposed, is now determined to win re-election by any means necessary. He may succeed.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/oba...
Brilliant, helpful, agree.
Nice post, well said.

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#89 Sep 11, 2012
jackson wrote:
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Obama signed a jobs bill in April -- yet the jobs market continues in decline. The economy continues in a decline. The housing market, while improving slightly, is still in trouble. We still have no budget (another dismissal of the laws of his office).
No big deal -- he'll just borrow more money and spend, spend, spend some more! Putting borrowed money after borrowed money after bad ideas. Yet you continue to think he's a leader.
You're so against tax incentives for corporations, yet you want tax incentives.
More and more of his attempts that have failed miserably -- not only failed to help our country, but proves his dearth of leadership skills. He does not want our country to prosper, is anti-capitalist, and anti-American. He does not want each of us to succeed, he wants each of us to be mind-numb robots for the federal government.
Agree, he wants to destroy the American dream as per the dreams of his father.

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