Speak Out: 'Undocumented' or 'Illegal'?

Speak Out: 'Undocumented' or 'Illegal'?

There are 143 comments on the Patch.com story from Aug 29, 2012, titled Speak Out: 'Undocumented' or 'Illegal'?. In it, Patch.com reports that:

Amid the raging invective focused on the nation's efforts to deal with unlawful immigration, a war of words wages in the undercurrent-a subtle struggle over the language used to define the discussion.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Patch.com.

El Cid

Austin, TX

#22 Sep 3, 2012
Calling an illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is like calling a crack dealer an unlicensed pharmacist.
ima

El Paso, TX

#23 Sep 3, 2012
Juan wrote:
I'd rather use the term undocumented.
Biggots use the term illegals.
Sorry, softening it up doesn't mean you're less illegaly here.
ima

El Paso, TX

#24 Sep 3, 2012
meant illegally here
Juan

Pearland, TX

#26 Sep 4, 2012
El Cid wrote:
Calling an illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is like calling a crack dealer an unlicensed pharmacist.
That's old, come up with something new will ya.
mikemike

Portland, OR

#28 Sep 5, 2012
who are really here illegally at least the mexican's come from the same continent,the european's came from another continent that's illegal
Free is free

Albuquerque, NM

#29 Sep 5, 2012
mikemike wrote:
who are really here illegally at least the mexican's come from the same continent,the european's came from another continent that's illegal
Mexicans are descendants of Spaniards and Maya. They are not indigenous.
mikemike

Portland, OR

#30 Sep 5, 2012
Free is free wrote:
<quoted text>
Mexicans are descendants of Spaniards and Maya. They are not indigenous.
they were born in the continent of north asmerica,not 20.000 miles away like the european scum.
Free is free

Albuquerque, NM

#31 Sep 6, 2012
mikemike wrote:
<quoted text>they were born in the continent of north asmerica,not 20.000 miles away like the european scum.
Bigot.
mikemike

Portland, OR

#32 Sep 6, 2012
Free is free wrote:
<quoted text>
Bigot.
i knoe the truth hurts
Free is free

Albuquerque, NM

#33 Sep 6, 2012
mikemike wrote:
<quoted text>i knoe the truth hurts
You knoe[sic] what, that you're a white-hating bigot?

Yeah, I think you made that clear in post #30.
mikemike

Portland, OR

#34 Sep 6, 2012
Free is free wrote:
<quoted text>
You knoe[sic] what, that you're a white-hating bigot?
Yeah, I think you made that clear in post #30.
the european trash was not invited to the north american continent aka 70 million native american murder'ed',the mexican's were born on the north american continent,there's no getting around it
ronnie

Brigham City, UT

#35 Sep 6, 2012
mikemike wrote:
<quoted text>the european trash was not invited to the north american continent aka 70 million native american murder'ed',the mexican's were born on the north american continent,there's no getting around it
Are you insane? Mexiholes never came North until we civilized it , made it wealthy, and clean. Europeans deserve this land mainly because we knew how to take it from certain uniteligent continents, and we knew how to Care for it proficiently unlike those born South of the Border, and ruined their own Country. And now they want ours.....You aren't going get it Dude.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#36 Sep 6, 2012
mikemike wrote:
<quoted text>the european trash was not invited to the north american continent aka 70 million native american murder'ed',the mexican's were born on the north american continent,there's no getting around it
Wrong! Failed history, did you?

Do people south of our border have a RIGHT to immigrate to the United States? No! While it may look like heaven to them, it's making our country hell for the rest of us.

It's a fact that 120 years ago a crying need for labor encouraged immigration from Europe, Asia and points south. Does this mean that we have inherited this as natural law and the US is a no-charge discount store for the weak and oppressed?

Is it the duty of the US to feed, clothe, educate and provide medical care for the world's great unwashed? Or does charity begin at home...

Miami is a picture post-card of a third-world conversion from America to South America.

Are we supposed to respect thieves for how much they have stolen just because they drive expensive cars and move into pricey homes? I think not.

Earn something and you will be respected. Steal it and you won't, no matter how much you whine and cry. No one owes these people a damn thing...least of all *this* country.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#37 Sep 6, 2012
mikemike wrote:
<quoted text>the european trash was not invited to the north american continent aka 70 million native american murder'ed',the mexican's were born on the north american continent,there's no getting around it
When explorers came to this land, there were no immigration laws in place. That is how things were done. People explored lands and conquered them. The Native American Indians even did that to each other -- conquered other tribes, took land, women, etc.

You do realize that if there is no law against it, then it cannot be illegal to do it, right?

Later, after the land was settled, immigration laws, rules, regulations, etc. were put into place. People came through legal ports of entry such as Ellis Island. When people follow the rules and laws in place at that time, that means they came LEGALLY. If one follows the laws and comes legally, they cannot be and are not an illegal alien.

Ellis Island (and other legal ports of entry) were not one big party, and they were not a guarantee of getting in here and being allowed to stay.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#38 Sep 6, 2012
mikemike wrote:
<quoted text>the european trash was not invited to the north american continent aka 70 million native american murder'ed',the mexican's were born on the north american continent,there's no getting around it
The Europeans packed up and left because the colonies were open for settlement. Those people could LEGALLY settle on land claimed by England. Spain already claimed most of North and South America. England WANTED settlers in the colonies.

The colonists didn't suddenly decide to leave. Their ventures were planned for years. Charters and grants were required from the crown. Ships were built. Settlers were recruited. Assets were liquidated. Passages were purchased. Seeds and food were preserved and barreled. Food was arranged for the months long passage. Livestock was procured. The land they were going to was secured, explored and surveyed.

Illegals just get some snacks and a few bottles of water and run across the border. Mexico or any other country has no moral, ethical or legal claim on US land. Illegals from any country have no claim to US land or citizenship, nor do they have a right to be on US soil for any reason whatsoever. They are breaking our sovereign laws, and that cannot be denied with any argument. They are deliberately taking that which they are not entitled to morally, ethically, or legally. They are corrupting history to justify taking what doesn't belong to them and what they do not deserve to take or own. We all know this full well.

Colonists were given permission. Land in New England was traded or purchased from Native Americans, so don't give back that sorry garbage about how Europeans stole the land. Native Americans could kill efficiently when they wanted to, and did, in Jamestown and elsewhere. If the first European settlers weren't wanted, they would have been killed by violence or starvation. Period.

I personally don't see why our citizens aren't shooting at the illegal invaders. We have a right to protect ourselves, our country, and our property, and only because we abhor violence, do we give the parasites what they want. They are extortionists and criminals, each and every one of them.
ronnie

Brigham City, UT

#39 Sep 6, 2012
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong! Failed history, did you?
Do people south of our border have a RIGHT to immigrate to the United States? No! While it may look like heaven to them, it's making our country hell for the rest of us.
It's a fact that 120 years ago a crying need for labor encouraged immigration from Europe, Asia and points south. Does this mean that we have inherited this as natural law and the US is a no-charge discount store for the weak and oppressed?
Is it the duty of the US to feed, clothe, educate and provide medical care for the world's great unwashed? Or does charity begin at home...
Miami is a picture post-card of a third-world conversion from America to South America.
Are we supposed to respect thieves for how much they have stolen just because they drive expensive cars and move into pricey homes? I think not.
Earn something and you will be respected. Steal it and you won't, no matter how much you whine and cry. No one owes these people a damn thing...least of all *this* country.
Dam right.... you told it like it is.... now for some of us that don't want a Compton, or Florida... go home please.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#40 Sep 6, 2012
mikemike wrote:
<quoted text>the european trash was not invited to the north american continent aka 70 million native american murder'ed',the mexican's were born on the north american continent,there's no getting around it
Who cares where they were born? Look at their country -- part of the North Amerian Continent and sharing land with the USA. Yet, their country is nothing compared to ours. Why? Laziness? Who knows and who cares. What we know is they have no right to take what we created. Let them go make something of their own country. If they can't, that's their problem.
ima

El Paso, TX

#41 Sep 6, 2012
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong! Failed history, did you?
Do people south of our border have a RIGHT to immigrate to the United States? No! While it may look like heaven to them, it's making our country hell for the rest of us.
It's a fact that 120 years ago a crying need for labor encouraged immigration from Europe, Asia and points south. Does this mean that we have inherited this as natural law and the US is a no-charge discount store for the weak and oppressed?
Is it the duty of the US to feed, clothe, educate and provide medical care for the world's great unwashed? Or does charity begin at home...
Miami is a picture post-card of a third-world conversion from America to South America.
Are we supposed to respect thieves for how much they have stolen just because they drive expensive cars and move into pricey homes? I think not.
Earn something and you will be respected. Steal it and you won't, no matter how much you whine and cry. No one owes these people a damn thing...least of all *this* country.
Oh rebel, I'm thrilled you're back and posting again! I've missed your comments, they're full of good information and helpful links. Way to go!!!
ima

El Paso, TX

#42 Sep 6, 2012
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
When explorers came to this land, there were no immigration laws in place. That is how things were done. People explored lands and conquered them. The Native American Indians even did that to each other -- conquered other tribes, took land, women, etc.
You do realize that if there is no law against it, then it cannot be illegal to do it, right?
Later, after the land was settled, immigration laws, rules, regulations, etc. were put into place. People came through legal ports of entry such as Ellis Island. When people follow the rules and laws in place at that time, that means they came LEGALLY. If one follows the laws and comes legally, they cannot be and are not an illegal alien.
Ellis Island (and other legal ports of entry) were not one big party, and they were not a guarantee of getting in here and being allowed to stay.
I love this!
mikemike

Portland, OR

#43 Sep 6, 2012
ronnie wrote:
<quoted text>Are you insane? Mexiholes never came North until we civilized it , made it wealthy, and clean. Europeans deserve this land mainly because we knew how to take it from certain uniteligent continents, and we knew how to Care for it proficiently unlike those born South of the Border, and ruined their own Country. And now they want ours.....You aren't going get it Dude.
taking care of what the food, air.water poison'ed 1%own's 90% of the wealth,thoese peole were doing what they do for thousand's of years. you bring people in chains to do the work for your lazy convict settler asses.the only thing you have cared for is to keep and maintain the good you have stolen from the worlds peoples.and you must pay its the laws of nature,so whenever somthing badd happens to you people you had it comming,you shall reak what you sow.

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