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California gives immigrants driver's licenses

There are 47 comments on the KMIZ story from Oct 3, 2013, titled California gives immigrants driver's licenses. In it, KMIZ reports that:

Diaz was in the crowd cheering after California Gov. Jerry Brown signed a law Thursday that will allow undocumented immigrants to get driver's licenses in his state.

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#21 Oct 5, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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http://www.democracynow.org/2013/10/4/as_cong...
Now which laws are not enforced?
brain dead.
Sean1030

New York, NY

#22 Oct 7, 2013
I don't know why the US even HAS immigration laws.. They are an effin joke
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#23 Oct 7, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/10/4/as_cong...
Now which laws are not enforced?
How the Obama Administration Inflates Deportation Statistics
Part 1

Removal numbers have traditionally consisted of legal immigrants who have committed crimes, those who overstay visas, or illegal aliens caught inside the country.
The immigration statistics yearbook states that removals are the compulsory and confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States based on an order of removal.
An alien who is removed has administrative or criminal consequences placed on subsequent reentry owing to the fact of the removal.
In the past, removal numbers did not include “returns,” who are Mexican nationals caught illegally crossing the border by the Border Patrol and returned.
According to the yearbook, returns are the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal.
Most of the voluntary returns are of Mexican nationals who have been apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol and are returned to Mexico.
The Obama administration has started counting certain “returns” as “removals” in order to artificially inflate the numbers and create a “record level” of deportations. Specifically, those caught by the Border Patrol who are shuttled to a different town along the border before they are returned are being dishonestly counted as deportations. This has falsely increased the number of total removals by more than 100,000 for the past two years.
In fact, if we count removals and returns together historically, then the Obama administration numbers are not close to “record-setting.” In the 1990s, the totals of returns and removals were well over one million. For example, according to the yearbook of immigration statistics, in 1996, removals and returns numbered more than 1.6 million, up from more than 1.3 million in 1995.
In an October 2011 roundtable with Hispanic reporters, President Obama himself said the deportation numbers were artificially high because they include those caught at the border:

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/febru...
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#24 Oct 7, 2013
In December 2010, the Washington Post revealed that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) had included more than 19,000 illegal immigrants who had exited the country in the previous fiscal year in its deportation statistics for the current (2010) fiscal year.

On February 22, 2010, ICE Detention and Removal Operations issued a memo stating that, despite record deportations of criminals, the overall number of removals was down.
According to the memo, while ICE was on pace to achieve “the Agency goal of 150,000 criminal alien removals” for the year ending September 30th, total deportations were set to barely top 310,000,“well under the Agency’s goal of 400,000” and nearly 20 percent below the 2009 total of 387,000.
The memo also explained how ICE would inflate the number: increasing detention space to hold more illegal immigrants while they await deportation proceedings; sweeping prisons and jails to find more candidates for deportation and offering early release for those willing to go quickly; and a surge in efforts to catch illegal immigrants who lied on immigration or visa applications or reentered the U.S. after being deported.

The memo also encouraged field directors to “maximize” participation in the Mexican Interior Repatriation Program (MIRP), a bilaterally voluntary program that attempts to quickly return Mexican nationals found unlawfully in the Sonora Arizona desert region of the U.S. to their places of origin in the Mexican interior. The program is run by ICE, the Mexican Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Mexican Ministry of the Interior.

Under this program, aliens caught by U.S. Border Patrol agents are turned over to ICE to carry out the returns.
Since MIRP’s inception in 2004, the program had never started earlier than July 7th each year.
In 2010, the first group returned to Mexico on June 1st. By starting in June, ICE tallied 6,527 returns that in the past would have been handled and counted by the U.S. Border Patrol.
In total, 23,384 Mexicans between June and September of that year accepted flights back to Mexico City and then a bus ticket to their home town at a cost of almost $15 million. An ICE spokesman claimed the agency started the program early because of available funds and a timely agreement between the U.S. and Mexico.

According to the Washington Post, internal emails showed that when ICE officials realized in the final weeks of the fiscal year, which ended September 30th, that ICE’s numbers would fall short of the previous year’s mark, they quietly directed immigration officers to bypass immigration courts whenever possible and encourage eligible foreign nationals to agree to voluntarily return to their countries without a negative mark on their immigration record.
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#25 Oct 7, 2013
Padding the Numbers: The Alien Transfer Exit Program

Since 2011, the Obama administration has counted removals from the Alien Transfer Exit Program (ATEP) as ICE deportations, which artificially inflates ICE removal numbers. According to a source in a Border Patrol field office,“the only reason this group [in the ATEP] program is in detention at all is for the purpose of padding ICE’s year-end removal statistics.”
Created in 2008, ATEP is a program that moves Mexican nationals apprehended in one Border Patrol Sector to another Sector before removing them to Mexico. There are no penalties or bars attached when illegal immigrants are sent back via ATEP and they can simply attempt re-entry. As a result, illegal immigrants who are subject to ATEP can return to the U.S. numerous times only to be counted as removals each successive time they reenter illegally and are apprehended at the border.
From 2008 to 2011, apprehensions through ATEP were counted in the U.S. Border Patrol’s statistics, not ICE’s statistics. However, in 2011, the Obama administration started including ATEP apprehensions by CBP in ICE’s deportation statistics.
In the first seven months of 2012, ICE reported 221,656 arrests (ICE apprehensions in the interior of the country), yet reported 334,249 removals (deportations). The 112,000 additional removals were from the ATEP (72,030) and an unknown source (40,000). Thus, ICE removal statistics had over 112,000 deportations included that previously had never been counted in its deportation statistics. In 2008, official ICE removals totaled 369,221; in 2009, 389,834; in 2010, 392,862; in 2011, 396,906; and in 2012, 409,849.
However, when ATEP removals are subtracted from ICE’s removals total, the 2011 number drops from 396,906 to roughly 360,319, and the 2012 number drops from 409,849 to 324,299.
Therefore, if the ATEP removal numbers are subtracted from ICE’s 2011 removal numbers, total removals are 2.5% below 2008 levels, 7.5% below 2009 levels, and 8.3% below 2010 levels.
If the ATEP removal numbers are subtracted from ICE’s 2012 removal numbers, total removals are 12% below 2008 levels, 16.9% below 2009 levels, and 17.5% below 2010.

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#26 Oct 7, 2013
Sean1030 wrote:
I don't know why the US even HAS immigration laws.. They are an effin joke
they are a joke do only to lack of enforcement

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#27 Oct 7, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
It is aiding and abetting those here illegally. It is the act of brain-dead legislators.
Think positive... they need to drive back home legally... right?
spud

Weatherly, PA

#28 Oct 7, 2013
Sean1030 wrote:
I don't know why the US even HAS immigration laws.. They are an effin joke
I think we have them so politicians can get some extra practice at lying. Yeah the border is more secure than ever, illegal aliens won't get Obamacare, employers can't do without them, and on and on. I don't think politicians realize how stupid they look making lame excuses for illegal aliens.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

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#29 Oct 7, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
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Think positive... they need to drive back home legally... right?
Good one! ;) We can only wish it, because we know that isn't going to happen any time soon.
ronnie

Salt Lake City, UT

#30 Oct 7, 2013
An ID theft ring was busted this week in Utah... The thieves had thousands of DL's Cards, Green Cards, Even Birth Certificates Etc. Illegals don't have to apply for legals Driving priviledge because they never pay for wrecks or hospitalization, or freeway deaths. They purposely use false ID, and if the heat get's close, they go buy a different set of False Document's. They have figured out every way possible not to be accountable to Americans who pay there way.
bob

Phoenix, AZ

#31 Oct 7, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
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Think positive... they need to drive back home legally... right?
Nope !!!! They can walk back some as they goy here . Hope its uphill.
bob

Phoenix, AZ

#32 Oct 7, 2013
ronnie wrote:
An ID theft ring was busted this week in Utah... The thieves had thousands of DL's Cards, Green Cards, Even Birth Certificates Etc. Illegals don't have to apply for legals Driving priviledge because they never pay for wrecks or hospitalization, or freeway deaths. They purposely use false ID, and if the heat get's close, they go buy a different set of False Document's. They have figured out every way possible not to be accountable to Americans who pay there way.
Any reports on hoe many have applied??? I'm guessing none . If they have an address and their stats they can come find them later and deport them. Like they don't know that. No excuse for not having insurance anymore . 100's of dollars fines Cali in going to be rich!!!!!!!!!!
bob

Phoenix, AZ

#33 Oct 7, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>Good one! ;) We can only wish it, because we know that isn't going to happen any time soon.
No insurance, no registration. not legal.
bob

Phoenix, AZ

#34 Oct 7, 2013
Sean1030 wrote:
I don't know why the US even HAS immigration laws.. They are an effin joke
Well, they used to work. When our officials actually could do their job . But the higher ups figured out it was a good voting base . And the corporations liked the cheaper labor. Ceo's make so much more now. The middle class has been paying the taxes . Illegals work cheap and get welfare ,free ER. Handouts . and the rich, uppers and CEO"s pay little, if any. The rich will never have to worry if we don't know who they are . Illegals live in shadows.
bob

Phoenix, AZ

#35 Oct 7, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>I think we have them so politicians can get some extra practice at lying. Yeah the border is more secure than ever, illegal aliens won't get Obamacare, employers can't do without them, and on and on. I don't think politicians realize how stupid they look making lame excuses for illegal aliens.
Yhey don't think their excuses are lame . They figure most people are to stupid to figure them out . sad they are right. Illegals are a pawn but the illegals don't get it .
sheepleloveroyal ty

Pottstown, PA

#36 Oct 7, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
<quoted text>
How the Obama Administration Inflates Deportation Statistics
Part 1
Removal numbers have traditionally consisted of legal immigrants who have committed crimes, those who overstay visas, or illegal aliens caught inside the country.
The immigration statistics yearbook states that removals are the compulsory and confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States based on an order of removal.
An alien who is removed has administrative or criminal consequences placed on subsequent reentry owing to the fact of the removal.
In the past, removal numbers did not include “returns,” who are Mexican nationals caught illegally crossing the border by the Border Patrol and returned.
According to the yearbook, returns are the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal.
Most of the voluntary returns are of Mexican nationals who have been apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol and are returned to Mexico.
The Obama administration has started counting certain “returns” as “removals” in order to artificially inflate the numbers and create a “record level” of deportations. Specifically, those caught by the Border Patrol who are shuttled to a different town along the border before they are returned are being dishonestly counted as deportations. This has falsely increased the number of total removals by more than 100,000 for the past two years.
In fact, if we count removals and returns together historically, then the Obama administration numbers are not close to “record-setting.” In the 1990s, the totals of returns and removals were well over one million. For example, according to the yearbook of immigration statistics, in 1996, removals and returns numbered more than 1.6 million, up from more than 1.3 million in 1995.
In an October 2011 roundtable with Hispanic reporters, President Obama himself said the deportation numbers were artificially high because they include those caught at the border:
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/febru...
Sounds like the administration tried to reclassify routine work as a completed project. I see why you wouldn't count "a return" as a completed deportation. I think hearings and a process. But I see why this administration would want to misuse that category of removal. They turned daily work into an "achievement".

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#37 Oct 8, 2013
bob wrote:
<quoted text>No insurance, no registration. not legal.
I hear you.
spud

Weatherly, PA

#38 Oct 8, 2013
Obamacare will make healthcare cheaper. Amnesty will make our borders more secure. And now, giving licenses to illegal aliens will make our roads safer. Until the voters learn to see through the politicians BS as put forward by the BS media, we will continue to nominate and elect idiots.
Sean1030

New York, NY

#39 Oct 8, 2013
tomin cali wrote:
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they are a joke do only to lack of enforcement
Exactly my point.. for whatever the reason.. they are still a joke.
Sean1030

New York, NY

#40 Oct 8, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>I think we have them so politicians can get some extra practice at lying. Yeah the border is more secure than ever, illegal aliens won't get Obamacare, employers can't do without them, and on and on. I don't think politicians realize how stupid they look making lame excuses for illegal aliens.
Noo... the stupid ass Americans who vote these losers in are the ones who look stupid.

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