Prison or Deportation: What Choices A...

Prison or Deportation: What Choices Are Immigrants Given?

There are 47 comments on the Yes! Magazine story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Prison or Deportation: What Choices Are Immigrants Given?. In it, Yes! Magazine reports that:

Elizabeth Ruiz was given the choice of incarceration in an immigrant detention center or being sent back to Mexico.

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#22 Apr 24, 2012
Independent patriot wrote:
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Agreed. Criminals don't get to choose their punishment and shouldn't ever be given a choice. The law is clear and should be enforced.
But, it's not enforced - consciously. Otherwise, SB1070 wouldn't be appealed all the way to The Supreme Court, and the Administration wouldn't still be battling Arizona, would they? They don't want any help from the states. That much should be perfectly clear. They don't intend to deport all of these people here illegally either for numerous reasons, not the least of which is our relationship with Mexico and the fact that money transferred from here to there is Mexico's second largest source of revenue.

So, as much as we protest the policy, nothing ever changes aside from the fact that Administrative Amnesty is in place, criminals are deported before returning again across porous borders, and those who have exhausted all appeals and who were already ordered deported are MIA - DHS doesn't know what happened to them because they were never physically removed - more than one million may be operating with new identities or in new states. Nobody knows.

What puzzles me is that the focus on most of these threads continues to be on how much people dislike or hate the illegals, themselves, when they aren't in control anymore than we are. They come because they are virtually invited to come and work and earn a lot more than they would if they stayed home. This is a far better standard of living than they ever had there. It's government operating on behalf of business interests and the influence business exerts over government. Capitalism run amok.

At any rate, rather than focus on ancient history and ethnicity, why aren't we focused on how to put the screws to business with some modicum of concession that makes them pause and consider, and leave the illegals themselves out of the discussion? How about we look at compromise proposals that are less harmful to American workers than the proposals currently under consideration? CIR will be back on the burner shortly after the election. Simply staying in place in a locked position and screaming "deport them all" is doing nothing more than guaranteeing some kind of amnesty most of us won't like at all. JMO

We should be working together here to build a better mousetrap and find a different kind of solution that assists American workers and protects American wages.

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#23 Apr 25, 2012
IMA-WELL CALIFORNIANS TOLD US THAT MEXICANS ARE A SUPERIOR RACE TO EVERYONE ELSE IN AMERICA!1 DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT? AND CHEAPER THEN THOSE BLACKS WERE!
GOOD THING THEY HAVE PLENTY OF I.O.U.S AND CAN JUST MOVE ON TO TRASH ANOTHER CITY/STATE WITH THEIR "FREEDOM FIGHTING" PROGRESSIVE,TRASHED OUT POLICE STATE -NO BIGGER RUSH THEN GETTING AWAY WITH ROBBERY?? TEE HEEE HEEE

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#24 Apr 25, 2012
NTRPR-AND WHAT IS MEXICOS MAIN SOURCE OF REVENUE? RICH AMERICANS? AMERICAN TOURISTS? OR GUATEMALA OR NICARAGUA? MEXICO IS ONLY THEIR DOORWAY TO THE REAL ROOTS OF THE PROBLEM-DON'T FORGET MANUAL NOREIGA AND THE IRAN CONTRA AFFAIR AND THE MOST RECENT ACCIDENTAL CACHE OF ARMS GIVEN TO SOUTH AMERICA? OOOPSY DAISY?

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#25 Apr 25, 2012
NTRPR-HOW ABOUT MEXICOS PAID EXPANSION BEING A MODEL FOR A SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST STATE-FREE HEALTH CARE,PAID TO HAVE BABIES,CAPATALISTIC CRIME ELEMENT AND GOVERMENT/INSTITUTIONAL DEPENDENCE(via prisons/welfare etc.?WITH ABSOLUTLEY NO OBLIGATION TO MEXICO TO CONTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY BUT TO TAKE???

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#26 Apr 25, 2012
orkin33 wrote:
NTRPR-HOW ABOUT MEXICOS PAID EXPANSION BEING A MODEL FOR A SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST STATE-FREE HEALTH CARE,PAID TO HAVE BABIES,CAPATALISTIC CRIME ELEMENT AND GOVERMENT/INSTITUTIONAL DEPENDENCE(via prisons/welfare etc.?WITH ABSOLUTLEY NO OBLIGATION TO MEXICO TO CONTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY BUT TO TAKE???
Orkin, it's because Mexico is an oligarchy with the wealth concentrated into the hands of only 3% of the population and so many scrambling to improve their lots in life that we even have this problem. Do I think we should help Mexico "fix" Mexico? Yes, I do, because it's much less costly to assist Mexicans in Mexico than it is to subsidize them here. Still, that's not the issue. The issue is business interests wanting cheap unskilled labor and the power they have in Congress. And, it's certainly not just illegals from Mexico. They come from around the world, and they compete with Americans at every level of job - from college educated all the way to field labor. Agriculture says Americans won't do their jobs. Well, of course they won't work in the sun for slave wages, BUT only 3% of illegals are even doing THOSE jobs.

What are the rest of them doing? They're taking wages down, using tax dollars and out competing American workers. That's why I keep saying we need to get a new Plan going, Orkin, while there is a lull in illegal immigration and before the economy picks up and the race is on to take new jobs in manufacturing and the service sectors.

But, if you want to hate on somebody, hate on the lobbyists for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce who influence legislation on behalf of their clients who WANT illegal workers who'll work for less.
Marie Brown jones

Fort Dodge, IA

#27 Nov 29, 2012
orkin33 wrote:
IF THE FEDS SPENT AS MUCH MONEY KEEPING OUT CRIMINALS AS THEY DO KEEPING THEM IN WITH RAZOR WIRED BABRBED WIRE ELECTRICAL FENCES -TOWER GUARDS AS THEY DO FOR THE "MOUNTAIN CLIMBING " EXH IBIT AT THE BORDER THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE THE PROBLEMS THEY DO NOW?
you act as if they are the only ones doing the killing or drinking and driving i know for a fact there are alot of races doing the same ,or we wouldnt need jails in the usa...... i think they should get there papers and come here right, but I think most are hard workers and great family peop le and if you took the time maybe us ppl born here in the usa could learn a thing or two from them just because ppl do bad things dont make them bad ppl there is good and bad in all races......and god bless all

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#28 Nov 29, 2012
NTRPR-AND WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THERES ANYTING WRONG WITH OUR IMMIGRAITON SYSTEM THEN?
NO THANKS -PEOPLE COME HERE EVERY DAY AND THERES NEVER ANY WHINING ABOUT RACIAL PROFILIGN OR DEMANDING REFORM B.S THEY WANT TO ABOLISH AMERICAS IMMIGRAITON STYEAM TO THEY CAN BUM RUSH AMERICA JUST LIKE ALREADY IN TEH SOUTWHEST
-YOU MAKE SOME VALID POINTS ON OTHER ISSUE THO I DONT HAVE TIME NOW LATERS1
Serrano Red

United States

#30 Mar 31, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
When arrested for committing a crime, illegals should do the time and THEN be deported after serving their sentence. Their victims deserve that much, while illegals should never be given a choice in the matter...their vicitms were never given such a chance.
kill em
Serrano Red

United States

#31 Apr 5, 2013
LOL wrote:
I don't think they should be given a choice at all. A prison sentence for 6 months, then absolute deportation!
I agree maybe a firing squad
George the Great

Olympia, WA

#32 Apr 28, 2013
ima wrote:
prison time and then deportation!! since when are criminals asked to make a choice???? when a citizen finds himself in a mess and breaks the law in some way they pay dearly with fines, prison or both without being asked what they prefer for punishment??? of all the nerve!! our judicial system is WORKING AGAINST OUR CITIZENS. Whats wrong with this picture?
Agree but we do need to make a deal for children being brought here illegally and spending a decade here before finding out their status. It wasn't their fault. It was their parents' fault. Deport the parents, put them on no immigration status and leave the kids here. Make the kids choose between family and nationality when they become legal age.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#33 Apr 28, 2013
Juan wrote:
The US is made up of immigrants. We will be here for some time to come.
Do you clean pools? I'm looking for someone.
Dean

Vancouver, WA

#36 May 6, 2013
LOL wrote:
I don't think they should be given a choice at all. A prison sentence for 6 months, then absolute deportation!
I agree one hundred per-cent
Dean

Vancouver, WA

#37 May 6, 2013
DEPORTATION

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#38 May 6, 2013
The law clearly gives no choice...it should be deportation, period. The cost to deport would be far cheaper than allowing them to stay and live off their American-born kids' freebies, especially since many of the takers never contributed a dime into the very coffers they greedily deplete.

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#39 May 6, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>But, it's not enforced - consciously. Otherwise, SB1070 wouldn't be appealed all the way to The Supreme Court, and the Administration wouldn't still be battling Arizona, would they? They don't want any help from the states. That much should be perfectly clear. They don't intend to deport all of these people here illegally either for numerous reasons, not the least of which is our relationship with Mexico and the fact that money transferred from here to there is Mexico's second largest source of revenue.
So, as much as we protest the policy, nothing ever changes aside from the fact that Administrative Amnesty is in place, criminals are deported before returning again across porous borders, and those who have exhausted all appeals and who were already ordered deported are MIA - DHS doesn't know what happened to them because they were never physically removed - more than one million may be operating with new identities or in new states. Nobody knows.
What puzzles me is that the focus on most of these threads continues to be on how much people dislike or hate the illegals, themselves, when they aren't in control anymore than we are. They come because they are virtually invited to come and work and earn a lot more than they would if they stayed home. This is a far better standard of living than they ever had there. It's government operating on behalf of business interests and the influence business exerts over government. Capitalism run amok.
At any rate, rather than focus on ancient history and ethnicity, why aren't we focused on how to put the screws to business with some modicum of concession that makes them pause and consider, and leave the illegals themselves out of the discussion? How about we look at compromise proposals that are less harmful to American workers than the proposals currently under consideration? CIR will be back on the burner shortly after the election. Simply staying in place in a locked position and screaming "deport them all" is doing nothing more than guaranteeing some kind of amnesty most of us won't like at all. JMO
We should be working together here to build a better mousetrap and find a different kind of solution that assists American workers and protects American wages.
Your final statement speaks volumes....the best interests of the American worker are not even being considered in the current discussions.

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#40 May 14, 2013
WELL HOW ELSE WOULD AMERICA BECOME A WONDERFUL SOCIALIST/COMMIE SUCCESS UNLESS WE FORCE MEXICOS REFRIED SOCIALIST CORRUPT MESS INTO AMERICA? AND AS SOON AS AMERICAN GET TIRED OF FINANCING THE CHOSEN MEXICAN RAZAS FREE RIDE THEY WILL HAVE TO JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON AS WELL WOO HOO!

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#41 May 14, 2013
NTRPR-YOUR RIGHT ON SOME THINGS BUT WHEN MEXICOS CORRUPT POLITICIANS CONTROL THE APPEASING LEFT WING YOUTH MEDIA WHOS CATERING TO THEM AND CALLING CHEAPER LABOR ="HARDER WORKERS" AND THAT TYRANNY IS FREEDOM? AND BACKWARDS IS FORWARDS? SOUNDS LIKE DOUBLESPEAK TO ME
SO IF YOU LEAVE YOUR HOUSE DOOR OPEN AND SOMEONE WALKS IN A ROBS YOU WHOS FAULT DO YOU THINK IT IS?

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#42 May 14, 2013
NO MEANS NO AND MEXICO OF ALL PLACES SHOULD NOT BE MADE AN EXCEPTION JUST FOR THE PURE FACT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO COPY AMERICAN DEMOCRACY FOR YEARS BUT CAN'T DO IT THEMSELVES SO NOW THEY SEE WHAT WHITES AND EVENTUALLY THE REST OF AMERICA DID AND THINK THEY CAN STEAL IT ? OBVIOUSLY AMERICANS ARE NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH AZTEC/MESHICAN HISTORY AND WHY THEY HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO ESTABLISH ANYTHING OF THEIR OWN BUT A FAILED FRANKENCULTURE !!
Serrano Red

United States

#43 May 19, 2013
maybe we should shoot them as they step out of the water
GIRL With Hairy Arms

Childress, TX

#44 May 21, 2013
Serrano Red wrote:
maybe we should shoot them as they step out of the water
i agree

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