Immigration Reform - Common Sense and...

Immigration Reform - Common Sense and Reality

There are 104 comments on the Examiner.com story from Jun 15, 2013, titled Immigration Reform - Common Sense and Reality. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

Recently and repeatedly, Americans have been forced to hear how their opposition to granting Amnesty and Citizenship to illegal aliens currently residing in this country demonstrates American insensitivity to the less fortunate.

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Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#42 Jun 17, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
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like I said... and repeat..
mental moron.
you attack me instead of addressing the issue being debated.
aka.. we don't need another amnesty.
we just need our current immigration laws ENFORCED. no more. no less.
what these invaders are trying to do is essentially a trojan horse. they talk of a number (11 million) that has been used for the last 20 years in an effort to get this amnesty passed.
we all know the number is more than 50+ MILLION. our border patrol folks are telling us that in their opinion, it is more like 50-70 million. and this is only referring to those illegals entering via the southern border.
honestly, if the number who apply for this amnesty ranges above 50 million, what then?
INVASION. and all these illegals have no intention to assimilating into our country. listen to their pathetic rhetoric once again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =ajkAP_M4ZAMXX
they tell us we are racist for not wanting them in the usa. they say we hate them. listen to the above video yet again. and ask yourself...who is spewing all the racism and hate?
mind you, these are elected politicians that I'm talking about here. joe baca, fabian nunez, bill richardson, etc. racist bastards out to take over the usa. every single one of them.
don't believe me? listen to the video one more time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
The issue being debated? You were ranting about people assimilating and I merely pointed out that you are self-identify as a foreigner.

Are you now saying the "issue to be debated" had nothing to do with your rant? Interesting.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#43 Jun 17, 2013
Ambro2000 wrote:
<quoted text>
All the studies have shown that this immigration bill would have a positive impact for the US economy. Actually you don't need a study to realize that. The reason why USA is doing so well is because of the immigrants that came here from different parts of the world.
the USA has problem do to illegal aliens. they help nothing and those who support them will say anything.

forget the slanted studies and look out side and see all the nice areas and wages illegal aliens have caused to go down,hospitals to close.

Level 4

Since: Jan 13

Monroe Township, NJ

#44 Jun 17, 2013
You are right! That's why I'm saying they need to be legalized and those who don't like the fact that they should contribute to the community and society will probably end up leaving. But those who came here to really do something with their lives will eventually be beneficial to USA.
Dequin

Stendal, Germany

#45 Jun 17, 2013
Laws are manmade and thus speaking, they can also
be used to distort reality as well as to prevent
higher justice. For example: I personally knew
someone who had sat in jail for beating up a
tourist in Taiwan. He used his jailtime in order to
obtain computer-skills as well as a decent job:
Eventually he also obtained the papars for immigration to the U.S. Once having obtained all
this, he cheated on his wife, had a nasty divorce,
and then proceeded to have two girlfriends at the
same time with whom he often had arguments.
In the eyes of" the law", all of this was cool.
Eventually I heared from someone that he actually
killed people-but just never got caught for it.
So: There you go : Other people known to myself,
never committed any crime but simply wereīt as lucky as this guy.I also personally knew people who
cheated the law by fraudulently applying for
political asylum. They did get in.
There are lots of so-called" law-abiding citizens "whonever needed to cut into the line in front of
other people- because they were boldfaced liars:
The law rewards lots of people like that.
So- Iīd be careful with statements saying that
the undocumentet broke the law.
Law is not always right, just as religion isnīt
god. Jesus often times broke the laws of the
phariseans , but was he a criminal?
Actually law itself can be a weapon by means of
which innocent people are being discriminated
against. The American government itself bends
privacy laws, and we are to simply "believe" that
"nobody listens to your phonecalls"-right!
Lawyers seem to have the status of high priests
judging by how many lawyers have been presidents
these past years.
But there is a dark side to this:
Creating new laws can be like printing too much
or false currency.Once it becomes obvious that
higher justice is not being served by the legal
system, the government could very well lose its
foothold: If and when law becomes the toy of those
who enjoy wealth and political power, whereas
immigrants need to watch out not to cross the
road when the light is red, as this might mean the
end of their perspectives: This is when you know
that a double standard is being enacted.
Laws are very practical for enforcing double-
standards such as who can go in and out of jail
while never once being in danger of being
deported- and who may not cross when the light is red. Or, for that matter:Who is entitled to healthcare-and who isnīt, because they werenīt
smart enough to be catapulted into the front
positions of "the line" by virtue of sheer
wealth- and so ended up "breaking the law" by
"Cutting the line in front of others".
Do you see just how arbitrary and relative so-called "law" can be? Ever since Clinton- who lied to Congress- it has become a kind of social fashion
to have a lawyer become president.
This may not even prove to be such a good idea
in the long run, when such people create laws
which are simply not fair.
Islamic law holds other things as representing
crimes- and I am not a Muslim, but this is just
an example of cultural relativity.
A lawyer from Harvard in Iran still is nothing
compared to the Imam: You get the idea.
If the United States were something you could
call your personal property, laws would be
absolute. But who are U.S.-citizens to be
claiming ownership, when it was them who took
it away from the Indians? The Canadian author
Margaret Atwood wrote a nice and cynical short
story about this, where she remarks that American
society has been divided into "Us" and "Them":
The owners-these used to be the Indians at first...
and the guests... which used to be the white people.She goes on saying that by now, the owners are the white people, and the guests are the
Hispanics: You get the idea, which her logic is
driving at: It actually is all relative, and even as a lawyer and as the president of the United
States, your version of reality may actually
already be losing its validity: Only that you
just havenīt noticed it yet!
NYM8387

Lawrence, MA

#46 Jun 17, 2013
Ambro2000 wrote:
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If it is doa what would be the reason for you to get mad ? lol
For insulting my nation with this nonsense,lol
NYM8387

Lawrence, MA

#47 Jun 17, 2013
Ambro2000 wrote:
<quoted text>
All the studies have shown that this immigration bill would have a positive impact for the US economy. Actually you don't need a study to realize that. The reason why USA is doing so well is because of the immigrants that came here from different parts of the world.
other studies suggest disaster for this country if amnesty passes.How dare you compare legal immigrants with illegal aliens who drive wages down,overwhelm tax payer funded programs and cause hospitals to close down? keep repeating everything you hear la rata say on univision if you want to,no one will buy your nonsense

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#48 Jun 17, 2013
Ambro2000 wrote:
You are right! That's why I'm saying they need to be legalized and those who don't like the fact that they should contribute to the community and society will probably end up leaving. But those who came here to really do something with their lives will eventually be beneficial to USA.
there is no way for them to contribute,they has stolen American jobs,which when we run them out citizens will step up and fill.

another nail in the coffin of this bill came from rubio's aide,he said Americans can no longer cut it.that right there should be enough to turn the dems who do work the trades against this bill,even the unions may get pissed about that.

have to wait and see what happens to that aide,rubio is already a fail and this just pushes him further down.
Martin

United States

#49 Jun 17, 2013
tomin cali wrote:
common sense and reality?
the thing is gov caused all this mess by refusing to enforce all the laws we have. there is not time like now to start showing the world we are a country of laws, forget the p/c bleeding heart cry baby excuses just enforce the laws let all fall where they will not our problem. those who get upset do not matter anyway they are not citizens and deserve nothing.
Common sense is that this country is only a few generations away from being populated for mostly Mestizos. People have inmigrated from the begining of human. Nobody can stop this natural process.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#50 Jun 17, 2013
Martin wrote:
<quoted text> Common sense is that this country is only a few generations away from being populated for mostly Mestizos. People have inmigrated from the begining of human. Nobody can stop this natural process.
sure all invasions can be stopped, it will just take a real American gov to declare war on the invasion. as it stands we have those who are against the USA as a country and also are against our constitution in office.

that la raza crap can be beat with a little effort.
Level 5

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#51 Jun 17, 2013
Ambro2000 wrote:
You are right! That's why I'm saying they need to be legalized and those who don't like the fact that they should contribute to the community and society will probably end up leaving. But those who came here to really do something with their lives will eventually be beneficial to USA.
MORE rhetoric from an pro-illegal, or illegal alien.

the way you talk, we should provide amnesty to ANY and EVERY non-citizen out there.

where do you draw the line, IDIOT.

do you really think that granting amnesty to 50+ million illegal aliens will be good for the usa?

why stop at 50+ million? let's allow a BILLION in. hell, according to you, they will all be paying taxes. right?

moron.
Level 5

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#52 Jun 17, 2013
tomin cali wrote:
<quoted text>
sure all invasions can be stopped, it will just take a real American gov to declare war on the invasion. as it stands we have those who are against the USA as a country and also are against our constitution in office.
that la raza crap can be beat with a little effort.
the first thing we need to do is get rid of the liberal left who are so brain dead from all the drugs they take, they don't know what is right or wrong anymore.

god damn traitors. they care more for foreigners than they do for americans. GET THEM OFF CAPITOL HILL ALREADY.

Level 4

Since: Jan 13

Monroe Township, NJ

#53 Jun 17, 2013
NYM8387 wrote:
<quoted text> For insulting my nation with this nonsense,lol
I suppose some Americans were mad when your family came here back in the days. lol

Level 4

Since: Jan 13

Monroe Township, NJ

#54 Jun 17, 2013
NYM8387 wrote:
<quoted text> other studies suggest disaster for this country if amnesty passes.How dare you compare legal immigrants with illegal aliens who drive wages down,overwhelm tax payer funded programs and cause hospitals to close down? keep repeating everything you hear la rata say on univision if you want to,no one will buy your nonsense
I told you before not to assume things about me because there is a high chance you will be wrong but you did not get it. So next time you have to listen to me. LOL

I do not watch Univision. I only watch sports on TV.
DWG

Everett, MA

#55 Jun 17, 2013
tomin cali wrote:
common sense and reality?
the thing is gov caused all this mess by refusing to enforce all the laws we have. there is not time like now to start showing the world we are a country of laws, forget the p/c bleeding heart cry baby excuses just enforce the laws let all fall where they will not our problem. those who get upset do not matter anyway they are not citizens and deserve nothing.
Adolf Hitler did like you describe " just enforce the laws let all fall " .

Did you forget that, here is american not German, do not lost your time with the past Sam, we can do better than burn people, be compassionate, to show a better sample country to the world.

Thanks
DWG

Level 4

Since: Jan 13

Monroe Township, NJ

#56 Jun 17, 2013
tomin cali wrote:
<quoted text>
there is no way for them to contribute,they has stolen American jobs,which when we run them out citizens will step up and fill.
another nail in the coffin of this bill came from rubio's aide,he said Americans can no longer cut it.that right there should be enough to turn the dems who do work the trades against this bill,even the unions may get pissed about that.
have to wait and see what happens to that aide,rubio is already a fail and this just pushes him further down.
I guess we will find out in the next 2 weeks or so.

Level 4

Since: Jan 13

Monroe Township, NJ

#57 Jun 17, 2013
Asian Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
MORE rhetoric from an pro-illegal, or illegal alien.
the way you talk, we should provide amnesty to ANY and EVERY non-citizen out there.
where do you draw the line, IDIOT.
do you really think that granting amnesty to 50+ million illegal aliens will be good for the usa?
why stop at 50+ million? let's allow a BILLION in. hell, according to you, they will all be paying taxes. right?
moron.
Attacking me proves the fact that you don't have real strong arguments on your side when it comes to this topic and it is not worthy nor fair for me to discuss with someone who disrespects me without even knowing me. Try to engage other people in such dialogues.
Nutjobs here

Tel Aviv, Israel

#58 Jun 17, 2013
From my perspective this is a bit of a joke.
So as a European University Educated Culturally Westerner w/English as a mother tongue i am unable to live and work in the USA unless i join these illegals?

Is this not unfair? Why should they have all these rights while someone like me is unable to move to the USA. I can go throughout Europe, Canada, Japan etc today if i want but its highly unlikely the USA would take me in and allow me to work to support my basic needs.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#59 Jun 17, 2013
Nutjobs here wrote:
From my perspective this is a bit of a joke.
So as a European University Educated Culturally Westerner w/English as a mother tongue i am unable to live and work in the USA unless i join these illegals?
Is this not unfair? Why should they have all these rights while someone like me is unable to move to the USA. I can go throughout Europe, Canada, Japan etc today if i want but its highly unlikely the USA would take me in and allow me to work to support my basic needs.
those countries are using a little common sense,unlike ours, we have became the importer of failures that their homelands do not want.importing poverty and rewarding crime is what is being pushed by the gang of 8
What dumb pos u r

San Jose, CA

#60 Jun 18, 2013
It's so easy for the Nazis to accuse others of something without evidence-that's just telling the world how dumb and stupid they're didn't expect anything better from brain-dead lonely old thungs.
Level 5

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#61 Jun 18, 2013
What dumb pos u r wrote:
It's so easy for the Nazis to accuse others of something without evidence-that's just telling the world how dumb and stupid they're didn't expect anything better from brain-dead lonely old thungs.
if anybody is displaying anything close to nazism, it's you hispanics.

god o'mighty. you run around spewing this bullshit about quote, "for the race, everything. outside the race, nothing."

and you dare to call people who are anti-illegal, nazis????

unbelievable.

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