Poll: Most back path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants

[FritoBandito]

spytheweb wrote:

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But most illegals are Hispanic, 86% of illegals.

Link please and don't provide a John Tanton affiliated website.

[FritoBandito]

nym8387 wrote:

<quoted text>exactly pancho,the parasites are not lawfully admitted residents and that's what you will never understand.

Better than you, I understand the law forwards and backwards. What I don't understand is your seething hatred for a virtually insignificant group that you're related to.

[spytheweb]

FritoBandito wrote:

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Who's giving away "citizenship?" Last I checked, an alien had to be a lawfully admitted resident for five years or more to take the test to naturalize.
.... and not all illegals are hispanic.

"Last I checked, an alien had to be a lawfully admitted resident for five years or more to take the test to naturalize."

"To qualify for the 1986 legalization program, applicants must meet several requirements, including: 1) Continuous residence in the United States in an unlawful status from before January 1, 1982 until May 4, 1988; 2) No absence from the US for more than 45 days on any one trip and 180 days total since January 1, 1982 unless the return could not be accomplished due to emergent reasons; 3) No more than two misdemeanors and no felony criminal conviction; and 4) The unlawful status must have been known to the government."

AMNESTY FRUAD

"We had 36 field offices, plus the processing facility, and fraud was totally out of control in the Ag program, particularly in California. We had 700,000 applications for that program and it was so bad counterfeiters were getting rich, some of whom were selling documents, I.e. rent receipts, pay stubs, affidavits, etc. all over L.A., and some others were operating almost within sight of many of the field offices. In this region IRCA investigations were given rather short shrift."

http://nafbpo.org/supporting_legalization_fra...

[FritoBandito]

nym8387 wrote:

<quoted text>enforcing the law is not ignorance and it must persist.

Not in your way it isn't.

[FritoBandito]

nym8387 wrote:

<quoted text>ofcourse they are,mostly Mexicans

It's right next door and the terrain easily accessible. They don't have to spend weeks at sea, floating on a raft, the way you did.

[spytheweb]

FritoBandito wrote:

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Link please and don't provide a John Tanton affiliated website.

"Mexico continued to be the leading source country of unauthorized
immigration to the United States (see Table 3). There were 6.6 million
unauthorized immigrants from Mexico in 2010, representing 62 percent
of the unauthorized population."

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics...

And these are low ball numbers.

[FritoBandito]

spytheweb wrote:

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"Last I checked, an alien had to be a lawfully admitted resident for five years or more to take the test to naturalize."
"To qualify for the 1986 legalization program, applicants must meet several requirements, including: 1) Continuous residence in the United States in an unlawful status from before January 1, 1982 until May 4, 1988; 2) No absence from the US for more than 45 days on any one trip and 180 days total since January 1, 1982 unless the return could not be accomplished due to emergent reasons; 3) No more than two misdemeanors and no felony criminal conviction; and 4) The unlawful status must have been known to the government."
AMNESTY FRUAD
"We had 36 field offices, plus the processing facility, and fraud was totally out of control in the Ag program, particularly in California. We had 700,000 applications for that program and it was so bad counterfeiters were getting rich, some of whom were selling documents, I.e. rent receipts, pay stubs, affidavits, etc. all over L.A., and some others were operating almost within sight of many of the field offices. In this region IRCA investigations were given rather short shrift."
http://nafbpo.org/supporting_legalization_fra...

You can thank Reagan and the inept old guard of the Border Patrol for that one. I lived that time so I know.

Political pressure, from discrimination complaints being fostered from within its ranks and ensuing internal affairs investigations, had the predominately Anglo agents of the old Border Patrol of that time on high alert and thus working. As a result, the apprehension rate skyrocketed and big agri-business felt the pinch in lost profits. These businesses were major financial contributors and supporters, especially to Reagan's second term.

Pressure mounted and Reagan sought to sign into law the 1986 amnesty, that actually laid the foundations for further illegal crossings and activities, since subsequent illegal waves saw the country buckle and thought another amnesty would eventually come again as time went on. One circumstance in the signing was that enforcement would be bolstered and the border sealed up. This never came to pass. I idea dwindled as did the idea of trickle down economics. Bush Sr., the next president, made no real efforts in the matter and the whole idea, like other Washington proposals, was put to rest in the back burner.

Fraud, like in welfare and other grants, was present, yet they did nothing to fully address it. Eventually they came around and before anyone can be naturalized, a thorough background check is now made for possible fraud in amnesty cases that arose out of the 1986 bill. In addition, the applicant must pass a test to be naturalized. During or after the process and if for some reason fraud is detected, naturalization is then revoked.

[FritoBandito]

spytheweb wrote:

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"Mexico continued to be the leading source country of unauthorized
immigration to the United States (see Table 3). There were 6.6 million
unauthorized immigrants from Mexico in 2010, representing 62 percent
of the unauthorized population."
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics...
And these are low ball numbers.

Saying they're "low ball numbers" is subjective. Lets deal with it for what it is and what Homeland Security has tabulated.

The terrain is easily accessible for one, so of course you're gonna have more Mexicans than none. The population of the country is now well over 80 million, compared to Canada which is less than 20 million, for example. So yes, you're gonna have more Mexicans when the real numbers are considered.

Most are taking low skill low paying jobs from a business magnet that was there long before this became or was made an issue. Other than mexican illegals, especially those that "pass", are in a much better position to do higher skilled American workers damage. They usually take higher echelon positions that should be going to well deserving American citizens.

So the problem, in its totality, is not just a hispanic one. If you zero in solely on those people alone without addressing the complete problem, then you're leaving yourself open to criticism and suit that can be legally very expensive. The ACLU and other related factions make no qualms about this and will come after you if they see fit.

[Andysdad]

SoYouBelieve wrote:

<quoted text> The facts are all around you, who is asking for so-called entitlement reductions? What most of your kind fail to realize is businesses are allowed to hire a certain percentage of illegals through state regulations, this is happenstance, they lobbied for it. You act as if income just disappears, once it hits businessmen's hands; it all gets accounted for. No different from them being able to collect federal tax, fica tax, state taxes and local taxes from those illegals but you're acting as if they aren't deserving of health care?
They paid for the crap. It's not like they're eligible to claim earned income credit for having a crummy job but you probably don't even understand how that works, do you? The forefathers created the manner in which the system would work, allowing immigrants to migrate was one of those provisions. Without it, you wouldn't be here nor have any rights here.
Lastly, once the forefathers' declared their independence from Nature's God and decided themselves to be better equipped to establish an unnatural order, everything was and has been pretty much downhill, ever since. In all honesty, the tricked a lot of unsuspecting people into heavily populating these lands with foreigners, in order to build their personal bank accounts. To you, it's competition; to them, bodies are a means of calculating credit; whereas, credit is the economy and substantiates the raising of the debt ceiling. Your argument only makes sense in your dream version of what you thought America was. It's just as distant from reality as Nature's Creator is from any religions people happen to worship or believe in America or anywhere else around the world; just crap made up to benefit them and their kind.

Entitlement reductions or a deficit be wont be able to pay even the interest on by 2025? See you have a common problem, these are not immigrants, they are illegal immigrants,don’t try and blur the lines between the two groups, they are totally different. If you don’t know or cant admit to the difference between the two groups, your too blind to see your own feet!

[Here Is One]

FritoBandito wrote:

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Not in your way it isn't.

Why did you cancel your ticket to come punch me in the face girly boy???

Why are you so scared of me???

I told you I would never hurt a girly boy like you???

[Here Is One]

FritoBandito wrote:

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It's right next door and the terrain easily accessible. They don't have to spend weeks at sea, floating on a raft, the way you did.

I even offer to pay for your flight and pay for a week for you at the Four Seasons or St Regis and give you 1k??

[Here Is One]

FritoBandito wrote:

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Saying they're "low ball numbers" is subjective. Lets deal with it for what it is and what Homeland Security has tabulated.
The terrain is easily accessible for one, so of course you're gonna have more Mexicans than none. The population of the country is now well over 80 million, compared to Canada which is less than 20 million, for example. So yes, you're gonna have more Mexicans when the real numbers are considered.
Most are taking low skill low paying jobs from a business magnet that was there long before this became or was made an issue. Other than mexican illegals, especially those that "pass", are in a much better position to do higher skilled American workers damage. They usually take higher echelon positions that should be going to well deserving American citizens.
So the problem, in its totality, is not just a hispanic one. If you zero in solely on those people alone without addressing the complete problem, then you're leaving yourself open to criticism and suit that can be legally very expensive. The ACLU and other related factions make no qualms about this and will come after you if they see fit.

Tell us girly boy.........

You claimed your cop friends were outside my house to arrest me and you were going to fly down to punch me in the face but you never did???

Why did your cop friends not arrest me???

Were they girly boys like you???

[Here Is One]

Frito Bandito wrote:

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Why would anyone who's gonna get or wants his face punched in want to pay?

Everyone knows that you will never come down here..........
Everyone knows you are far to scared.......
Everyone knows that girly boys like you are all talk and no action.....

But you are fun to watch squirm.........

Did you see I am now offering 5k to you plus reimburse your airfare and 7 nights at the resort of your choice........

[Here Is One]

Frito Bandito wrote:

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If you're that hard-up, then come on over to SD. That knuckle sandwich is waiting, doofus!

Promises promises..........Just like you promised you had bought a ticket to come down but did not show up.........LOL

Just like you promised that your cop friends were waiting outside my house but then they got scared like you.........LOL

[man in black]

Dee Dee Dee wrote:

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Unlike people who come here illegally those who come here legally will be deported if they are arrested while protesting. It is only illegal aliens that do not have to worry about being arrested.

you both guys don't have a clue what in the hell is going on out there,,

[Cricket 23]

Lawrence Wolf wrote:

<quoted text>Wrong, Mister Guy. Children of undocumented parents, who were born here, should be allowed to stay, since they committed no illegal act.

Plus, udocumented people who have been here for many years, and who live productive lives, should be given a path to citizenship.

The time for finding and deporting them ended long ago.

What other laws do you tell your family it's OK to ignore??

[Cricket 23]

Lawrence Wolf wrote:

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Wrong, Mister Guy. Children of undocumented parents, who were born here, should be allowed to stay, since they committed no illegal act.

Plus,undocumented people who have been here for many years, and who live productive lives, should be given a path to citizenship. The time for finding and deporting them ended long ago.

"undocumented"?

"Immigration refers to the movement of people between countries. While the movement of people has existed throughout human history at various levels, modern immigration implies long-term, legal, permanent residence. Short-term visitors and tourists are considered non-immigrants (see expatriate). Immigration across national borders in a way that violates the immigration laws of the destination country is termed illegal immigration."

"Illegal immigration refers to immigration across national borders in a way that violates the immigration laws of the destination country. Under this definition, an illegal immigrant is a foreigner who either has illegally crossed an international political border, be it by land, water, or air, or a foreigner who has entered a country legally but then overstays his/her visa. "

See the difference??

[Cricket 23]

Tom Cat wrote:

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FAIR is founded & funded by self described white nationalist John Tanton so from the get go... who would buy into this hate website?

The sad part is that some gov't data uses FAIR articles.

FAIR Testifies Before Senate Committee Regarding Farm Labor

Full story: immigration reform.com

According to Georgia's Commissioner of Agriculture, lobbyists for
agribusiness, and a representative of the United Farm Workers (UFW) the reasons why Americans will not take farm jobs is because they are lazy, out of shape, inflexible in their work habits, addicted to drugs or alcohol, dependent on welfare, and physically unsuited for working outdoors in summer heat. Mr. Arturo Rodriquez, speaking on behalf of the UFW testified that Americans are not skilled enough to prune plants and even incapable of
picking crops without damaging them.

I was the only witness to argue the point that if agricultural employees paid a living wage to their workers, more Americans would be willing to take farm jobs. I also told the Senators that the effectiveness of H-2A program, or any other temporary guest worker program, cannot be accurately assessed as long as agricultural employers can continue to hire workers illegally. I
did agree that criticisms by farmers that the H-2A program is too
bureaucratic and time-consuming should be addressed by Congress. FAIR's intent is to see the H-2A program used properly and in the most effective manner by employers.

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Tom Cat wrote:

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Yup... CIS & NumbersUSA are other John Tanton funded sites. One has to conclude that the propaganda they disseminate is for one purpose... to hate.
FAIR, CIS and NumbersUSA are all part of a network of restrictionist organizations conceived and created by John Tanton, the "puppeteer" of the nativist movement and a man with deep racist roots. As the first article in this report shows, Tanton has for decades been at the heart of the white nationalist scene. He has met with leading white supremacists, promoted anti-Semitic ideas, and associated closely with the leaders of a eugenicist foundation once described by a leading newspaper as a "neo-Nazi organization." He has made a series of racist statements about Latinos and worried that they were outbreeding whites. At one point, he wrote candidly that to maintain American culture, "a European-American majority" is required.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publica...

ABOUT FAIR

Headquartered on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., FAIR is the largest, oldest and most respected immigration reform group in America. With over 250,000 members, FAIR advocates for non-discriminatory immigration polices that protect American jobs, wages, the environment, and national security. As a bipartisan organization free from special interest influence, FAIR is
regularly sought by Congress and the media for its objective analysis and for its fair, practical and effective policy solutions.

[Cricket 23]

FritoBandito wrote:

The ACLU and other related factions make no qualms about this and will come after you if they see fit.

Sent them a copy of this post

Open Letter to John Gibson,Sean Hannity Jorge Ramos, John Boehner,Luis V. Gutierrez,Lindsey Graham &
Susan Collins

11/9/2012

The gentleman & Lady I've listed above are advocating amnesty for the 12-20 million (wag) illegal aliens in our country . I strongly disagree with their position for the following reasons.

In 1986 President Reagan signed off on a bill granting amnesty to 1 1/2- 2 Million illegal aliens, today I wonder how many thousands more of their family members are here now because of the current Chain Immigration policy in place?

In the past 26 years since President Reagan signed that bill, because of politicians from both parties like Congressman John Boehner , Luis V. Gutierrez ,Senator Lindsey Graham & Susan Collins who have none nothing to help control both of our borders, except to stick their finger in the dike to appease the voters at home and not offend special interest groups ,12-20 Million more illegal aliens (wag) have entered our country and now because the finger caper didn't work, their solution to the problem is amnesty.

The message that people like John Gibson, Sean Hannity , Jorge Ramos, John Boehner , Luis V. Gutierrez,Lindsey Graham & Susan Collins are sending to immigrants around the world is that if you can enter our country illegally without getting caught and hide out for another 26 years, then sooner or later another amnesty will be granted.

Case in point, a large number of American Hispanic voters including Chicago Congressman Luis V Gutierrez & Jorge Ramos have again rally their support for amnesty, and are using their vote to blackmail the Democrats into granting it. My question is what are those Hispanic Americans basing their support on?

My answer is it's based on the fact that a large number of the illegal aliens are also Hispanics which would appear to make their support based on race.( Google some of Chicago Congressman Luis V Gutierrez's & Jorge Ramos comments on the subject).

Now if I say I don't support amnesty because it's wrong then those same people yell I'm a "Racist".

We currently have no control of illegal immigration into our country, yet continue to allow in around 900,000 legal immigrations a year, and now John Gibson,Sean Hannity Jorge Ramos, John Boehner, Luis V. Gutierrez, Lindsey Graham & Susan Collins want to add 12-20 Million illegal aliens (wag) to our population (315 Million), which doesn't include the millions more of their family members that will come here legally under the chain migration policy...

My question to John Gibson, Sean Hannity, Jorge Ramos, John Boehner , Luis V. Gutierrez, Lindsey Graham & Susan Collins that support amnesty is how many more immigrants will our country hold, and how many more legal & illegal ones entering our country will make you happy?

Just because you can walk across our borders or swim / wade across a river doesn't give someone a place at the head of the line here. The line for those people starts inside the border of their own country.

To compound the problem, under the 14 Amendment we have around 300,00 new American Citizens a year who are born in our country to illegal Hispanic women, and yes John, Sean, Jorge, John B., Luis, Lindsey & Susan a lot of them walk or swim/ wade across our borders just to have those new American babies..

My closing comment is granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens is not fair to immigrants waiting in their own country to enter here the legal way and violating our immigration laws should not be rewarded with American Citizenship, it's worth more than that!

The inscription at the base of the Statute of Liberty concludes, "I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" It says nothing about welcoming people who bypass our entry doors by climbing walls, swimming rivers and sneaking under border fences.

Dave