Gay Married Man Gets Green Card

Gay Married Man Gets Green Card

There are 734 comments on the EDGE story from Jul 3, 2013, titled Gay Married Man Gets Green Card. In it, EDGE reports that:

Late Friday, just two days after the US Supreme Court released their decision gutting the Defense of Marriage Act, a permanent visa, aka green card, was issued to Traian Popov, a Bulgarian man married to Florida-based club DJ Julian Marsh.

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#558 Jul 29, 2013
Gay And Proud wrote:
Just like how the courts regularly hear cases where different religious groups sue each other over their differences of opinion. Wait... That doesn't happen either.
Washington Florist Sued For Refusing to Provide Flowers For Same-Sex Wedding
By ALYSSA NEWCOMB (@alyssanewcomb)
April 10, 2013
A florist who reportedly refused to provide flowers for a gay wedding because of her religious beliefs is being sued by the Washington State Attorney General.

The lawsuit, which was filed Tuesday in Benton County, came almost two weeks after Attorney General Bob Ferguson said he sent a letter to Barronelle Stutzman, the owner of Arlene's Flowers and Gifts in Richland, Wash., asking her to reconsider her decision.

Stutzman is accused of violating the state's Consumer Protection Act, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in a public place.

When ABCNews.com reached Stuztman at her flower shop today, she declined to comment on the lawsuit.

On March 1, Robert Ingersoll, a longtime customer, visited the shop and told Stutzman he wanted to order flowers for his upcoming wedding, according to the complaint.

Stutzman told Ingersoll she was unable to provide flowers for his wedding "because of [her] relationship with Jesus Christ," according to the complaint.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Business/washington-flo...

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#559 Jul 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Washington Florist Sued For Refusing to Provide Flowers For Same-Sex Wedding
By ALYSSA NEWCOMB (@alyssanewcomb)
April 10, 2013
A florist who reportedly refused to provide flowers for a gay wedding because of her religious beliefs is being sued by the Washington State Attorney General.
The lawsuit, which was filed Tuesday in Benton County, came almost two weeks after Attorney General Bob Ferguson said he sent a letter to Barronelle Stutzman, the owner of Arlene's Flowers and Gifts in Richland, Wash., asking her to reconsider her decision.
Stutzman is accused of violating the state's Consumer Protection Act, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in a public place.
When ABCNews.com reached Stuztman at her flower shop today, she declined to comment on the lawsuit.
On March 1, Robert Ingersoll, a longtime customer, visited the shop and told Stutzman he wanted to order flowers for his upcoming wedding, according to the complaint.
Stutzman told Ingersoll she was unable to provide flowers for his wedding "because of [her] relationship with Jesus Christ," according to the complaint.
...
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/washington-flo...
Brian, why do you defend law breakers?

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#560 Jul 29, 2013
Stutzman isn't being charged with a crime, she's being sued by the ACLU and the State's AG. I'm on her side.

Keep marriage one man and one woman, else you could be sued next.

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#561 Jul 29, 2013
AmericanGal wrote:
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I second that Darlin".... we need to fix our economy before we let in illegals who are poor/uneducated and (some) deranged thinkers*( they are third worlders/molest children). I have seen,dealt with teens who ahve been through trauma( molestation/rape,etc) it is not pretty. These individual have so many issue ... an average person can never decipher.
The man in question didn't come into this country illegally, he was granted a student VISA, and is studying for his PhD. I doubt you, yourself are as educated as he is.

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#562 Jul 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Stutzman isn't being charged with a crime, she's being sued by the ACLU and the State's AG. I'm on her side.
Keep marriage one man and one woman, else you could be sued next.
She's being sued by the AG for violating a law that all she had to do was comply with it and NONE of this would have happened!!!

I'm sorry that you nor her understand that one's religious beliefs can NOT be used to discriminate against others.......either she STOPS doing flower arrangements FOR all weddings or she will pay the price for being discriminatory!!!
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#563 Jul 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Stutzman isn't being charged with a crime, she's being sued by the ACLU and the State's AG. I'm on her side.
Keep marriage one man and one woman, else you could be sued next.
It had nothing to do with gay marriage. She broke the law, because she discriminated against them because they're gay, and gays are a protected class in her state. If they were single, gay people, and wanted to buy a rainbow cake for gay pride or some sh*t, and she denied them, the exact same fines would come against her.

DNF

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#565 Jul 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>If same sex marriage becomes law and you demonstrate, speak out or act in ways consistent with your values; you could be sued next.
Same sex marriage is bad because it means neighbor suing neighbor.
You keep making that claim. Now show us where that has happened here in the USA.

I didn't see anyone arrested in MA for what you describe. Or any other State where SSM is now legally recognised.

So where's the beef?

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#566 Jul 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Your stand against bullying adds credibility to your arguments. Keep up the good work!
LOL. He attacks NorCal and she responds and so she's the bully?

Good lord your whacked!

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#567 Jul 29, 2013
GodSmacked wrote:
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Why are you trying to be a bully? The LGBT does not and has not ever stood for such nonsense and your continued fighting hate with hate will only lead to more hate.
Pointing out that I think you're a fool is being a bully?

You're nuts.

DNF

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#568 Jul 29, 2013
GodSmacked wrote:
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NorCal I want to live to see the courts to be clear and leave no gray area. I am somewhat disappointed in several recent rulings because it left several things unanswered and room for continued discrimination.
Later in this thread gay and proud wrote, "Just like how the courts regularly hear cases where different religious groups sue each other over their differences of opinion."

Brilliant

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#569 Jul 29, 2013
GodSmacked wrote:
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This is exactly why it will make it to the SCOTUS because all these issues need to be addressed.
Let me clarify you are barking up the wrong tree with Christianity or any faith for that matter because god has no meaning whatsoever to me and see the bible as tall tale
Just like how the courts regularly hear cases where different religious groups sue each other over their differences of opinion.

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#571 Jul 29, 2013
GodSmacked wrote:
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I agree the court has however not in a case such as the florist's.
No kidding. Maybe that's because the florist case will never get to SCOTUS. But if it does, it will go down in flames just as Prop 8 did.

You claim you have no horse in this race when religion is involved but you are siding on one person's religious views over those of others.

If I'm a bully for pointing out your errors and hypocrisy then fine, I'm being a bully.

If I buy you and Brian G the Pharisee a cookie will that make it all better?

DNF

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#572 Jul 29, 2013
GodSmacked wrote:
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State of WA charges will only give prudence to weather or not the charges are true in nature.
WYF? Have you been drinking?

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#573 Jul 29, 2013
GodSmacked wrote:
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....
Unlike you, I see the importance of this case because I live real world and understand the implications of the decisions.
Oh excuse me I didn't know that you had a better understanding of what it's like being a gay man with HIV in this country than I do.

In the REAL WORLD it has already been determined by the WA Human rights commision and the State's attorney she broke the law and committed religious discrimination.

She herself admits she served these people before. So the only reason she has for NOT serving them now is religious bigotry.

If she did this to a jewish black couple would you still support her? How about a muslim couple? A group of atheists?

Your claim about how much you love and support us rings hollow when you then post stuff with smarmy remarks directed at me.

DNF

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#574 Jul 29, 2013
GodSmacked wrote:
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DNF please ask those on the GLBT thread if I am a bigot wrapped in the bible. Better yet ask Laci, I am certain she will not hold back when it comes to how misguided you are about me as a poster on topix.
Dear. Just last night I opened several e-mails warning me about what a loon you are.

Your wish was already granted. But thanks anyway.

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#575 Jul 29, 2013
GodSmacked wrote:
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NorCal, please show me where this has happen in the Supreme Court.
The Windsor decision!

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#576 Jul 29, 2013
Broseph wrote:
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And gays aren't a protected class? Didn't the Supreme Court Majority say they were in their ruling for DOMA? Even if gays weren't a protected class, why shouldn't they be?
In Prop * ruling SCOTUS didn't actually rule on much of this. They kicked it back to the State level and let those previous rulings by Federal Courts Stand. Just as it did in Baker vs. Nelson.

In the Windsor decision yes they actually did apply the 14th amendment to the question of SSM. But only on the Federal Level.

SCOTUS wants to juggle States Rights Vs Federal Guarantees.

I doubt it will go near any of these cases, but will instead wait for one that leaves them plenty of wiggle room like Prop H8 did.

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#577 Jul 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Washington Florist Sued For Refusing to Provide Flowers For Same-Sex Wedding
By ALYSSA NEWCOMB (@alyssanewcomb)
April 10, 2013
A florist who reportedly refused to provide flowers for a gay wedding because of her religious beliefs is being sued by the Washington State Attorney General.
The lawsuit, which was filed Tuesday in Benton County, came almost two weeks after Attorney General Bob Ferguson said he sent a letter to Barronelle Stutzman, the owner of Arlene's Flowers and Gifts in Richland, Wash., asking her to reconsider her decision.
Stutzman is accused of violating the state's Consumer Protection Act, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in a public place.
When ABCNews.com reached Stuztman at her flower shop today, she declined to comment on the lawsuit.
On March 1, Robert Ingersoll, a longtime customer, visited the shop and told Stutzman he wanted to order flowers for his upcoming wedding, according to the complaint.
Stutzman told Ingersoll she was unable to provide flowers for his wedding "because of [her] relationship with Jesus Christ," according to the complaint.
...
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/washington-flo...
The reporter is misusing the word sued. She is being charged with a criminal act.

When a police officer busts a drug dealer do you claim the guy is being sued or charged with a crime?

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#578 Jul 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Stutzman isn't being charged with a crime, she's being sued by the ACLU and the State's AG. I'm on her side.
Keep marriage one man and one woman, else you could be sued next.
Religious discrimination is defined as a crime under the states consumer protection act.

I love how you whine about twisting the meaning of the word gay, but have no trouble trying to re-define "sued", "crime" " and criminal act".

You whine about the word gay but have no problem bastardising the meanings of thew words, faggot and queer.

Christian Love as demonstrated by Brian G the Pharisee!

DNF

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#579 Jul 29, 2013
Broseph wrote:
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It had nothing to do with gay marriage. She broke the law, because she discriminated against them because they're gay, and gays are a protected class in her state. If they were single, gay people, and wanted to buy a rainbow cake for gay pride or some sh*t, and she denied them, the exact same fines would come against her.
The thing is her religious beliefs weren't an issue for her with this couple on previous occasions.

She refused to serve them because of her religious bigotry and political beliefs over marriage.

If I refused to serve someone because of their political views I doubt Brian G and the rest would be in my corner. And they'd be calling it a crime not a lawsuit.

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