Gay Married Man Gets Green Card

Gay Married Man Gets Green Card

There are 734 comments on the EDGE story from Jul 3, 2013, titled Gay Married Man Gets Green Card. In it, EDGE reports that:

Late Friday, just two days after the US Supreme Court released their decision gutting the Defense of Marriage Act, a permanent visa, aka green card, was issued to Traian Popov, a Bulgarian man married to Florida-based club DJ Julian Marsh.

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#193 Jul 11, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>My cleaning lady is a legal immigrant from Mexico. By her labors, she is sending her sons to college, literally, one graduated a year ago. If you were to kick her out, or disallow others like her to make a chance here, would you come and scrub my toilets, since she stole that high caliber job from you?
BAZINGA.

Imagine how many other legals are taking away this highly prized job from him across the nation!

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#331 Jul 19, 2013
DNF wrote:
good point. Thanks. Not the PooPooPoodle deserves a theme song other than the one from the other video.. Much likes BrianG's silly 'segregated marriage' nonsense. Both are swamp gas:
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You don't like the fact same sex marriage is a new standard of gender segregation in marriage never seen before the beginning of the 21st Century in written law? Don't blame me, I believe in integration and diversity; that's why same sex marriage is wrong.

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#335 Jul 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You don't like the fact same sex marriage is a new standard of gender segregation in marriage never seen before the beginning of the 21st Century in written law? Don't blame me, I believe in integration and diversity; that's why same sex marriage is wrong.
Brian, you keep seeing the right to marry for Gays and Lesbians as some segregation and it simply isn't.......that's like another poster making the claim that only conjugal marriages are "real" marriages.........sorry, but it doesn't matter when Same-Sex Couples started getting married, the fact is that it is not a new concept and it isn't going to stop just because you want to use language to justify your animosity towards a group of individuals you want to keep as 2nd class citizens!!!

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#339 Jul 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You don't like the fact same sex marriage is a new standard of gender segregation in marriage never seen before the beginning of the 21st Century in written law? Don't blame me, I believe in integration and diversity; that's why same sex marriage is wrong.
That's stupid reasoning for hatred. Same sex marriage destroys part of your gender barriers, that's what really has you in a tizzy.

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#340 Jul 20, 2013
Same sex marriage is gender segregation marriage. My posts don't appeal to hate, I invite everyone, even gays, to defend marriage as one man and one woman.

Our "gender barriers" mean "women and children first" when filling the life boats. Our gender barriers promote civilization.

We don't want a unisex society; men and women are different. Both masculine and feminine aspects have value; let's not pretend they don't exist. Ersatz equality competes with freedom.

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#341 Jul 20, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage is gender segregation marriage. My posts don't appeal to hate, I invite everyone, even gays, to defend marriage as one man and one woman.
Our "gender barriers" mean "women and children first" when filling the life boats. Our gender barriers promote civilization.
We don't want a unisex society; men and women are different. Both masculine and feminine aspects have value; let's not pretend they don't exist. Ersatz equality competes with freedom.
And that, good people, is what we call a straw man argument.

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#342 Jul 20, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage is gender segregation marriage. My posts don't appeal to hate, I invite everyone, even gays, to defend marriage as one man and one woman.
Our "gender barriers" mean "women and children first" when filling the life boats. Our gender barriers promote civilization.
We don't want a unisex society; men and women are different. Both masculine and feminine aspects have value; let's not pretend they don't exist. Ersatz equality competes with freedom.
This is a really naive and uneducated response. The genders are not that different, as you claim. Not only are you fallacious in this assertion, the physiological differences between the genders is even fading in our species, so much for your "men are men and women are women" nonsense. Then there are the alternative, though useless, formations of genitalia, in which men have "innies" and women have "outies," some have some cross between the two, others they're just slightly different.

Freedom is equality, equality is freedom, inequality is slavery. This is the easy portion of your argument to smack down, I don't even have to bother with the details on that.

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#343 Jul 20, 2013
Gay And Proud wrote:
<quoted text>
And that, good people, is what we call a straw man argument.
Actually, not really. A strawman has the requirement of actually being a valid argument in itself, that was not a valid argument as it was filled with nothing but stereotypes.

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#358 Jul 20, 2013
Gay And Proud wrote:
<quoted text>
And that, good people, is what we call a straw man argument.
Nail on the head in one strike!

<applause>

(Is there a way to pickle a red herring?)

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#359 Jul 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Actually, not really. A strawman has the requirement of actually being a valid argument in itself, that was not a valid argument as it was filled with nothing but stereotypes.
It isn't his argument that is invalid, it's the postulates and the data inserted into the variable slots that are hokey.

His "Circular Reasoning" perpetual motion machine is powered by data he's been "cherry picking" to reach the conclusion he wants.

It's a "Straw Man" because he's dodging from an argument he can't refute, onto created conditions where he thinks that he can win.

Mostly he's intentionally playing with ambiguous concepts, refusing to use the same dictionary as the other discussant.

His box-step between the "Moralistic Fallacy", the Reification Fallacy, Argumentum ad Antiquam, and the Slippery Slope is such a boring routine that I'm surprised that anyone here still wants to dance with him.

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#360 Jul 21, 2013
By definition, same sex marriage is gender segregation marriage. That's not a strawman, red herring or fallacy; that's fact. I'm not the one advocating a novel form of segregation; I like the perfect diversity and integration of one man and one woman marriage.

I disagree with K.K., genders are that different. Else, all homosexuals would be bisexuals.

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#361 Jul 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
Actually, not really. A strawman has the requirement of actually being a valid argument in itself, that was not a valid argument as it was filled with nothing but stereotypes.
If you don't like stereotypes and discrimination; keep marriage one man and one woman so diversity and integration will trump segregation even when voluntary. We wouldn't encourage whites to voluntarily segregate, why encourage gays?

Same sex marriage is the death of freedom and civil discourse.

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#362 Jul 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
By definition, same sex marriage is gender segregation marriage. That's not a strawman, red herring or fallacy; that's fact. I'm not the one advocating a novel form of segregation; I like the perfect diversity and integration of one man and one woman marriage.
I disagree with K.K., genders are that different. Else, all homosexuals would be bisexuals.
You can disagree with reality all you want, but that just makes you wrong.

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#363 Jul 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>If you don't like stereotypes and discrimination; keep marriage one man and one woman so diversity and integration will trump segregation even when voluntary. We wouldn't encourage whites to voluntarily segregate, why encourage gays?
Same sex marriage is the death of freedom and civil discourse.
That's just stupid. Banning anything supports stereotypes, end of story. Again, you can deny reality all you want, but that just makes you wrong, and your excuses to hate are just stupid.

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#381 Jul 21, 2013
Persevere all you gay people... Don't let these fundamentalist AKA hypocrites ruin your day!!

You'll get your equality to the utmost!!

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#401 Jul 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You don't like the fact same sex marriage is a new standard of gender segregation in marriage never seen before the beginning of the 21st Century in written law? Don't blame me, I believe in integration and diversity; that's why same sex marriage is wrong.
To paraphrase the words of Hulk Hogan "whatcha gonna do when Judgementmania runs wild on you?
Matthew 25:31-46
The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right,‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him,‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply,‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left,‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer,‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply,‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

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#402 Jul 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I disagree with K.K., genders are that different. Else, all homosexuals would be bisexuals.
And Brain G makes another totally absurd claim.

Care to explain? And can you do it without sounding as stupid as Rush Limbaugh when he claimed Trayvon Martin thought he was about to be gay bashed?

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#403 Jul 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>.....
Same sex marriage is the death of freedom and civil discourse.
No Brian. That would be your moral compass.

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#404 Jul 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>If you don't like stereotypes and discrimination; keep marriage one man and one woman so diversity and integration will trump segregation even when voluntary. We wouldn't encourage whites to voluntarily segregate, why encourage gays?
Same sex marriage is the death of freedom and civil discourse.
Children with gay parents 'happier'
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/love-sex/89...

Children with gay parents are happier and healthier than kids from the average family, new research shows.

The preliminary findings from the Australian study contradict stereotypes that a family without an obvious dad or mum would harm the children, said lead researcher Dr Simon Crouch.

He said there were a lot of strongly-held beliefs about what a family was, and if people saw something missing then they thought there must be a problem.

‘‘Our research does not support this. There are a lot of same sex families where there isn’t a mother figure or there isn’t a father figure and we find that the children are doing really well,’’ he said.

Crouch, who is himself a gay man with four-year-old twin boys, ran the world’s largest study on homosexual families at the University of Melbourne.

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#405 Jul 21, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Children with gay parents 'happier'
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/love-sex/89...
Children with gay parents are happier and healthier than kids from the average family, new research shows.
The preliminary findings from the Australian study contradict stereotypes that a family without an obvious dad or mum would harm the children, said lead researcher Dr Simon Crouch.
He said there were a lot of strongly-held beliefs about what a family was, and if people saw something missing then they thought there must be a problem.
‘‘Our research does not support this. There are a lot of same sex families where there isn’t a mother figure or there isn’t a father figure and we find that the children are doing really well,’’ he said.
Crouch, who is himself a gay man with four-year-old twin boys, ran the world’s largest study on homosexual families at the University of Melbourne.
Do you think that may make Crouch less objective?

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