Kevin Rudd facing disaster in Australia elections

Aug 31, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

With Australia's national election one week away, a poll published in Aug 31 The Weekend Australian shows the Australian Labor Party headed for a whopping national defeat similar to the Queensland state election of Mar 2012, when the Liberal National Party won 78 out of 85 seats leaving Labor with a mere 7 seats.

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Its ironic....people overwhelmingly have deep environmental concerns. Those concerns are quickly shoved aside when confronted by the possibility of real economic hardship.....but the economic hardship touted by Libs/media for the last 3 years was an obvious fabrication for political reasons as the hard facts prove......the same way "climate change" has been used to distract people from focusing on destructive and ongoing environmental practices happening around the world...."the environment" as an issue , will become prominent again . Hopefully , this issue will be viewed with a great deal more commonsense and respect , rather than the media and the industrialist lobbies just showing endless pictorials of dreadlock-haired moronic tree-huggers carrying on like dipshits , to marginalise an issue that will only become more urgent , the longer it's swept under the carpet for the benefit of the unsustainable status quo and their beloved share prices....Abbott needs to confront this. He's already started fudging the issue , and CSG , the Galillee Basin , The Great Barrier Reef and the Murry Darling River System look like paying the price. There are far more important things in Australia's national interest , that basic economic rationalism and a budget surplus.
Foo ? Tell us all how Labor and their Green friends were going to save the Barrier Reef ?

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Yes? I voted for Labor in 2007 they had clearly defined policies!
And returning where this debate started - You knew far more about Abbotts costings when you voted in 2013 than you did when voting in 2007.

KRudd released all policies & costings just after 5pm on the Friday before the election via press release only - not internet. All you knew about the costings is what little information the News services covered before you voted. Next to nothing.

Finally got to the truth with you on this point didn't we.

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<quoted text>A ridiculous question considering they are no longer the government.......no doubt they will continue to support an emissions trading scheme though , along with Malcom Turnbull.....(lol)
SO if KRudd was returned he would have terminated the carbon tax but because he isn't he won't? Or was he lying (again) and telling the people what they wanted to hear?

It isn't the turmoil that is hurting the ALP it is the lies.

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SO if KRudd was returned he would have terminated the carbon tax but because he isn't he won't? Or was he lying (again) and telling the people what they wanted to hear?
It isn't the turmoil that is hurting the ALP it is the lies.
If ever the bureaucracy bothers to connect with it's rank and file it might see a big difference.
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If ever the bureaucracy bothers to connect with it's rank and file it might see a big difference.
Are you connected and to whom?

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Oh goody ,does that mean you will attack Labor for some of their candidates dishonest campaign of telling lies to get re elected ?
I mainly concentrate on the goverment....it seems counter productive to pick on the guy in opposition unless there is a looming election....or it it just me?

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And returning where this debate started - You knew far more about Abbotts costings when you voted in 2013 than you did when voting in 2007.
KRudd released all policies & costings just after 5pm on the Friday before the election via press release only - not internet. All you knew about the costings is what little information the News services covered before you voted. Next to nothing.
Finally got to the truth with you on this point didn't we.
No, No we didn't and we still don't know what RAbbott and his stooges stand for or how much any of it will cost in total....I don't think we will ever know now as no paper or tv chanel made him accountable to the public.
That was the first time that Labor was late, so you can put it down to many things, none of them spite or revenge against the Liberals....Liberals clearly stated they could do it because Labor once did it, and cited Labor's late costings many times as the excuse, and that is openly admitting it they can do it if Labor did it regardless of whether there was a legitimate reason for Labors late costing or not...it shows Abbott up to be a petty decietful prick and an arsehole in the first order to abuse the voters rights when he claimed his were actually costed but that he would hold them in his back pocket until the death knell.....what a scummy bastard.

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SO if KRudd was returned he would have terminated the carbon tax but because he isn't he won't? Or was he lying (again) and telling the people what they wanted to hear?
It isn't the turmoil that is hurting the ALP it is the lies.
Lies are what these parties use now....and don't dare talk about lies or liars unless Howard and Abbott are numbered one and two on that list....you are a naive little monkey, sorry one eyed....
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Lies are what these parties use now....and don't dare talk about lies or liars unless Howard and Abbott are numbered one and two on that list....you are a naive little monkey, sorry one eyed....
Gillard and Rudd are at positions 1 and 2 on the liars list my friend, they took political spin to a new level

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<quoted text>Gillard and Rudd are at positions 1 and 2 on the liars list my friend, they took political spin to a new level
Okay lets match Abbott and Howard against Rudd and Gillard and you will find the Labor mob at 5 and 6....Howard, Costello and Abbott at 1, 2 and 3....under the Liberal mob....there will be no GST under my government! let's all have a war that costs billions based on nothing but lies and a complete exercise in futility. look out Aussies! they are throwing all the little kiddies overboard!.....work choices won't fail the worker, big lie?....shall I continue?
Rudd....If the hospitals don't tow the line the government will take them over?.....Gillard no carbon tax under her government? Howard, Costello and the Rabbott win.

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No, No we didn't and we still don't know what RAbbott and his stooges stand for or how much any of it will cost in total....I don't think we will ever know now as no paper or tv chanel made him accountable to the public.
That was the first time that Labor was late, so you can put it down to many things, none of them spite or revenge against the Liberals....Liberals clearly stated they could do it because Labor once did it, and cited Labor's late costings many times as the excuse, and that is openly admitting it they can do it if Labor did it regardless of whether there was a legitimate reason for Labors late costing or not...it shows Abbott up to be a petty decietful prick and an arsehole in the first order to abuse the voters rights when he claimed his were actually costed but that he would hold them in his back pocket until the death knell.....what a scummy bastard.
Well the agenda for costing releases was set by KRudd & Gillard. Abbott follows suit and your up in arms. You just have to be consistent. With that in mind Abbot released his costings 24hrs earlier than they did. SO things are improving.

And I don't get your rant about the 3 things he didn't cost. Hasn't the LNP NBN policy & costing been out there for 2 years. Fibre to neighbourhood & copper last KM. Cost $29.5B. You can't be taken seriously saying you don't know what it was. They had out there for 6 months they were going to abolish 12,000 PS jobs, scrap school kids bonus & scrapping clean green loans scheme. A lot of LNP savings were out there for months to get you complacent to them. You make yourself look silly every time you rant on you don't know what they were.

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under the Liberal mob....there will be no GST under my government!
WILL YOU STOP LYING? CAN YOU STOP LYING?

Howard released the GST package in August 1998 & you got to vote on it October 1998.

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Well the agenda for costing releases was set by KRudd & Gillard. Abbott follows suit and your up in arms. You just have to be consistent. With that in mind Abbot released his costings 24hrs earlier than they did. SO things are improving.

A: I see so if they put there heads in a fire? Rudds party were late...Yes, but doubtful the reason?....Abbotts party clearly claimed to already have the costings at least 2 weeks PRIOR to the election(big difference there) because they weren't just thumbing their noses at Labor (so Labor couldn't tear them down)....they denied the voter the right to know fully how they intended to pay for their promises, and it is us who pay their feckin' salary.

And I don't get your rant about the 3 things he didn't cost. Hasn't the LNP NBN policy & costing been out there for 2 years. Fibre to neighbourhood & copper last KM. Cost $29.5B.
A: I am not surprised, you don't seem to get much at all...
The difference between your NBN and Labors is 14 billion....this won't give every household access to optic fibre unless they pay!!!! nor will the speeds be anywhere need what we need to cope with the rest of the world and copper isn't an effective coduit for uninterupted service and it requires constant maintenance...whoops there goes the 14billion dollar difference...Labors NBN is cheaper in the long run....
You can't be taken seriously saying you don't know what it was. They had out there for 6 months they were going to abolish 12,000 PS jobs, scrap school kids bonus & scrapping clean green loans scheme. A lot of LNP savings were out there for months to get you complacent to them. You make yourself look silly every time you rant on you don't know what they were.
A: And they have all, already blown out to shit!....they should have been legitimately costed and included in their final election costings for all to see, as is normal....bet you won't see their fully detailed and costed assylum policy or the NBN or any of the others major policies that they stood on to win your vote!

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A: I see so if they put there heads in a fire?
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A: I am not surprised, you don't seem to get much at all...
The difference between your NBN and Labors is 14 billion....this won't give every household access to optic fibre unless they pay!!!! nor will the speeds be anywhere need what we need to cope with the rest of the world and copper isn't an effective coduit for uninterupted service and it requires constant maintenance...whoops there goes the 14billion dollar difference...Labors NBN is cheaper in the long run....
Dumb@rse .... My NBN is fibre/wireless - I've been saying it is the best option for 3 years. Cheaper than both & speeds equal to anything the FTTH will offer. A fixed system in an antiquated system. To me the ALP's is a complete waste of money & LNP's is a complete waste of money. BTW many countries are using copper for 40mbps right now - 3 times faster than what the average home is getting on the NBN. UK is laying a Fibre/copper system that will give 100mbps - 8 times faster than what the average home will get in Australia and complete in 3 years. Reality is we could all have 100mbps in 3 years also and then we look at the next step then - either going wireless or fibre to the home.

12% of the NBN budget ($4.7b) has been spent & just under 2% of houses connected. By the time the ALP's version is finished (if ever) in 2026 it will cost over $200b at this rate. Even Quigley says the NBN price will be closer to $80b by the time it's finished. There is no value in it at those prices.

If the NBN is an equine. Few smaller countries are getting a thoroughbred, most are getting a quarter horse, we are getting a donkey.
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WILL YOU STOP LYING? CAN YOU STOP LYING?
Howard released the GST package in August 1998 & you got to vote on it October 1998.
Howard did say "There will be no GST under a liberal government, its dead, its finished". They use that as a sound byte on the tv all the time.

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<quoted text>Howard did say "There will be no GST under a liberal government, its dead, its finished". They use that as a sound byte on the tv all the time.
succinctly - He never went to 1996 election with a GST. He went to 1998 election having spent 4 months promoting it to us as policy.

May 1995 - "nothing remotely resembling it" (john hewsons gst) would be Coalition policy in the 1996 campaign.

May 1995 Press conference - "There's no way a GST will ever be part of our policy." .... "Never ever. It's dead. It was killed by voters at the last election." John Howard

June 1995 business luncheon - " We would occasionally like to win, you know. The fact is the last election was a referendum on the GST. There is no way we can have it as part of our policy for the next election. As to what happens some years in the future, I don't know. But the GST cause was lost in the last election ..." John Howard.
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I mainly concentrate on the goverment....it seems counter productive to pick on the guy in opposition unless there is a looming election....or it it just me?
Yes it is but you !
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Well the agenda for costing releases was set by KRudd & Gillard. Abbott follows suit and your up in arms. You just have to be consistent. With that in mind Abbot released his costings 24hrs earlier than they did. SO things are improving.
A: I see so if they put there heads in a fire? Rudds party were late...Yes, but doubtful the reason?....Abbotts party clearly claimed to already have the costings at least 2 weeks PRIOR to the election(big difference there) because they weren't just thumbing their noses at Labor (so Labor couldn't tear them down)....they denied the voter the right to know fully how they intended to pay for their promises, and it is us who pay their feckin' salary.
And I don't get your rant about the 3 things he didn't cost. Hasn't the LNP NBN policy & costing been out there for 2 years. Fibre to neighbourhood & copper last KM. Cost $29.5B.
A: I am not surprised, you don't seem to get much at all...
The difference between your NBN and Labors is 14 billion....this won't give every household access to optic fibre unless they pay!!!! nor will the speeds be anywhere need what we need to cope with the rest of the world and copper isn't an effective coduit for uninterupted service and it requires constant maintenance...whoops there goes the 14billion dollar difference...Labors NBN is cheaper in the long run....
You can't be taken seriously saying you don't know what it was. They had out there for 6 months they were going to abolish 12,000 PS jobs, scrap school kids bonus & scrapping clean green loans scheme. A lot of LNP savings were out there for months to get you complacent to them. You make yourself look silly every time you rant on you don't know what they were.
A: And they have all, already blown out to shit!....they should have been legitimately costed and included in their final election costings for all to see, as is normal....bet you won't see their fully detailed and costed assylum policy or the NBN or any of the others major policies that they stood on to win your vote!
When you voted liberal you literally handed all the power to the USA to run Australia.

Abbott is in debt to foreign intrests and that is the worst case scenario for all of us

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Dumb@rse .... My NBN is fibre/wireless - I've been saying it is the best option for 3 years. Cheaper than both & speeds equal to anything the FTTH will offer. A fixed system in an antiquated system. To me the ALP's is a complete waste of money & LNP's is a complete waste of money. BTW many countries are using copper for 40mbps right now - 3 times faster than what the average home is getting on the NBN. UK is laying a Fibre/copper system that will give 100mbps - 8 times faster than what the average home will get in Australia and complete in 3 years. Reality is we could all have 100mbps in 3 years also and then we look at the next step then - either going wireless or fibre to the home.
12% of the NBN budget ($4.7b) has been spent & just under 2% of houses connected. By the time the ALP's version is finished (if ever) in 2026 it will cost over $200b at this rate. Even Quigley says the NBN price will be closer to $80b by the time it's finished. There is no value in it at those prices.
If the NBN is an equine. Few smaller countries are getting a thoroughbred, most are getting a quarter horse, we are getting a donkey.
Because I don't have the energy to waste explaining the differences to you...you don't seem to get it for all your claims...so educate yourself.
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