Michelle Malkin: Illegal immigrant 'thugs' destroy American Dream

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But who pays the price when our public guardians fail to secure our borders, refuse to deport serial criminal offenders and enable drug-crazed menaces to prey upon innocent citizens? Meet 27-year-old Julio Miguel Blanco-Garcia.

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Oldglory

Banning, CA

#50 Oct 30, 2013
PrinceofDarkness wrote:
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post the source of you information channel dip$hit.. easy to make blanket assertions pulled from your a$$...show us credible numbers otherwise STFU....and wait for the mailman to deliver your food stamps..
So you are actually so clueless that you don't think the employers hire illegal aliens because they will work for less? I see you are still acting like a juvenile with your unwarranted insuations and insults. I have never used food stamps in my life. I worked for over 50 years and now am enjoying my retirement that I myself saved for, you ignorant POS!
Jesus Malverde

United States

#52 Oct 30, 2013
The trick used by big corporations like Walmart is to hire an independent contractor for those jobs require physical labor, like cleaning, construction, etc. The contractor then turns around and either directly or indirectly hire another sub who then hires illegal labors. The corporation then pleads ignorant if they are called on it.

http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/23/news/companie...
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#53 Oct 30, 2013
PrinceofDarkness wrote:
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you fu-k-ing retard...you think Verizon, WalMart or Home Depot or Target don't screen their new hires .. they will risk bad press and huge fines just for being lazy?... They are obligated to pay minimum wage in any case by law... yes, some small time farmer without resources may hire an illegal, but ever our big farms here in California are screened by Immigration for their hiring practices and are very careful... you are one ignorant fu-k-tard...go back to polishing your co-ck..
I have no further need to discuss anything with you since you have a filthy mouth and can't remain civil. Enjoy your romp on the school play yard as I have no further need to read or reply to your childish posts. Typical pro-illegal. You're all alike. Bye.
ronnie

Brigham City, UT

#56 Oct 30, 2013
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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You've answered your own question. While there are American companies who choose profits over ethics, there will always be a problem with immigrants working illegally.
So why blame the immigrants? if they can't find work they will stop flooding in. You should be blaming:
- Americans firms for employing them
- American politicians for not closing the borders
- American bankers for causing the disaster that forces American firms to employ illegals
- American social policies that have created a generation who will choose to claim benefits over learning a trade or getting a job.
But you also need to remember that if American companies can't compete commercially because of high overheads then they lose business and will either close or have to outsource productivity abroad.
There is much to be said for the back market in illegal workers. They keep American companies on American soil, the profits of which will be paid back into the American economy.
Illegal immigration is unsightly and frustrating but ultimatley it benefits America.
Unsightly and frustrating? But millions and millions of our dollars are remitted to mexico instead of improving this economy. We make money here, nothing more... anymore. We used to out source our job's to Mexico etc, but managed to remain solvent and maintained a middle class consciousness. Now
because of all the dribble you mentioned above party true, the American Democracy we once enjoyed has been flushed down the toilet. And Mexican labor is not revenue neutral when you add in what we the tax payer subsidizes to the keep cheap labor here. No , not one of the legal American benefit from reducing this Country to a 3rd World sewer.

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#58 Oct 30, 2013
libertarian4321 wrote:
There are millions of illegals in this country.
The overwhelming majority of whom never harm anyone.
Take any large group, and you will have some dangerous criminals. To base policy on the actions of the worst in any group is illogical and ridiculous.
Malkin is smart enough to know this, but most of her followers are not, so she shovels this stuff to them (and makes money doing it) and they lap it up.
It seems you have difficulty understanding the meaning of the word "illegals". In addition to not having a comprehension that our illegitimate government isn't doing it's Constitutionally charged DUTY. And you rail on people that INSIST upon our hired servants doing the job they swore a solemn oath to do?

Your priorities/agenda is most questionable indeed. Am thinking that "libertarian" doesn't quite fit the character you portray. At least not in the TRUE sense of the word....

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#59 Oct 30, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
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They aren't "immigrants" they are illegal aliens! Oh I see so the illegals don't know they are breaking law by jumping our border without permission and working illegally so they are the innocents here? No one has the right to break laws to improve their lives while reducing the quality of life for others who do have a right to be in this country. Both the employers and the illegals are equally guilty!
Your so full of crap. Let me give you an example of the construction industry. Many Americans used to do those jobs and yes it is a trade but they got their wages reduced and even lost their jobs to cheap, illegal labor. So just what is this trade that Americans didn't have? Should American blue collared workers just roll over and give illegals their jobs and learn another trade to accommodate them. Surely you jest!
If a business can't succeed without breaking the law then they have no business staying in business. There are many businesses who are successful without hiring illegal aliens and breaking our laws. Who do you think you are kidding?
There is no benefit to us regular American taxpayers by having illegal aliens here. They steal American jobs and taxes. Our taxes have to cover their social costs because their greedy employers pass this expense on to us. If Americans were given back those jobs they in turn would be contributing to our economy and tax coffers. Again, who do you think you are kidding?
Well, the good news is that many are starting to go BACK across the border. They found out the "American Dream" has become a corrupt nightmare. They were lied to to entice them across. Just as our corrupt hired servants have been lying to us for decades.
Civician

Dixon, CA

#60 Oct 30, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
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They aren't "immigrants" they are illegal aliens! Oh I see so the illegals don't know they are breaking law by jumping our border without permission and working illegally so they are the innocents here? No one has the right to break laws to improve their lives while reducing the quality of life for others who do have a right to be in this country. Both the employers and the illegals are equally guilty!
Your so full of crap. Let me give you an example of the construction industry. Many Americans used to do those jobs and yes it is a trade but they got their wages reduced and even lost their jobs to cheap, illegal labor. So just what is this trade that Americans didn't have? Should American blue collared workers just roll over and give illegals their jobs and learn another trade to accommodate them. Surely you jest!
If a business can't succeed without breaking the law then they have no business staying in business. There are many businesses who are successful without hiring illegal aliens and breaking our laws. Who do you think you are kidding?
There is no benefit to us regular American taxpayers by having illegal aliens here. They steal American jobs and taxes. Our taxes have to cover their social costs because their greedy employers pass this expense on to us. If Americans were given back those jobs they in turn would be contributing to our economy and tax coffers. Again, who do you think you are kidding?
'No one has the right to break laws to improve their lives while reducing the quality of life for others who do have a right to be in this country.'
Which is we need to change the laws to allow guest workers.
'Let me give you an example of the construction industry. Many Americans used to do those jobs and yes it is a trade but they got their wages reduced and even lost their jobs to cheap, illegal labor.'
That is a myth long debunked by countless studies; native workers are so unaffected by illegal labor that it is statistically insignificant. Do you really believe that someone, anyone, would willing take less money for a job if they knew the next guy was getting paid more for the same work?
'If a business can't succeed without breaking the law then they have no business staying in business. There are many businesses who are successful without hiring illegal aliens and breaking our laws. Who do you think you are kidding?'
When businesses can't get their work done with the aid of illegals, and Americans won't do the work (well documented in the agribusiness world, btw, even when offering double the minimum wage,) then American consumers will pay the price in many ways: lost businesses, higher prices, higher imports. It's like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
'There is no benefit to us regular American taxpayers by having illegal aliens here.'
Again, there are numerous studies that prove this to be wrong. The fact is illegals work at all levels of the economy, from blue collar to white collar. In one study conducted by the Census Bureau, I believe, which looked at the four cities in the USA with the highest percentage of illegals, it was found that those local economies fared much better during recessions. They suffered the effects of recession later than the national average and recovered faster than the national average.
'They steal American jobs and taxes.'
Ridiculous.
'Our taxes have to cover their social costs because their greedy employers pass this expense on to us.'
Illegals pay a much larger percentage of their meager incomes in taxes and fees and get very little in return. They are in fact are helping to support the economy and not getting the benefits you do.

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#61 Oct 30, 2013
Civician wrote:
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'No one has the right to break laws to improve their lives while reducing the quality of life for others who do have a right to be in this country.'
Which is we need to change the laws to allow guest workers.
'Let me give you an example of the construction industry. Many Americans used to do those jobs and yes it is a trade but they got their wages reduced and even lost their jobs to cheap, illegal labor.'
That is a myth long debunked by countless studies; native workers are so unaffected by illegal labor that it is statistically insignificant. Do you really believe that someone, anyone, would willing take less money for a job if they knew the next guy was getting paid more for the same work?
'If a business can't succeed without breaking the law then they have no business staying in business. There are many businesses who are successful without hiring illegal aliens and breaking our laws. Who do you think you are kidding?'
When businesses can't get their work done with the aid of illegals, and Americans won't do the work (well documented in the agribusiness world, btw, even when offering double the minimum wage,) then American consumers will pay the price in many ways: lost businesses, higher prices, higher imports. It's like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
'There is no benefit to us regular American taxpayers by having illegal aliens here.'
Again, there are numerous studies that prove this to be wrong. The fact is illegals work at all levels of the economy, from blue collar to white collar. In one study conducted by the Census Bureau, I believe, which looked at the four cities in the USA with the highest percentage of illegals, it was found that those local economies fared much better during recessions. They suffered the effects of recession later than the national average and recovered faster than the national average.
'They steal American jobs and taxes.'
Ridiculous.
'Our taxes have to cover their social costs because their greedy employers pass this expense on to us.'
Illegals pay a much larger percentage of their meager incomes in taxes and fees and get very little in return. They are in fact are helping to support the economy and not getting the benefits you do.
Care to provide some EVIDENCE which backs your [errant] claims? NO? Yeah, I didn't think so. "Illegal" is just that - ILLEGAL. No amount of errant justification is going to alter that FACT one iota.
Civician

Dixon, CA

#62 Oct 30, 2013
Factcheck.org :

The truth is that immigrants don’t "take American jobs," according to most economists and others who have studied the issue.

Immigrant workers "create almost as many" jobs as they occupy, "and maybe more," said Madeleine Sumption, policy analyst at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute, which is funded by a range of foundations, corporations and international organizations. "They often create the jobs they work in." In addition, "they buy things, and they make the economy bigger," she told us. As she and a co-author wrote in a report last year for a group created by the British government:

Somerville and Sumption:[T]he impact of immigration [on a nation's economy] remains small, for several reasons. Immigrants are not competitive in many types of jobs, and hence are not direct substitutes for natives. Local employers increase demand for low-skilled labor in areas that receive low-skilled immigrant inflows. Immigrants contribute to demand for goods and services that they consume, in turn increasing the demand for labor. And immigrants contribute to labor market efficiency and long-term economic growth.

David Griswold, director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, wrote in an article for Commentary magazine in December:

Griswold: The addition of low-skilled immigrants expands the size of the overall economy, creating higher-wage openings for managers, craftsmen, accountants, and the like. The net result is a greater financial reward and relatively more opportunities for those Americans who finish high school.

And a new study by economist Heidi Shierholz of the Economic Policy Institute — a liberal think tank that has been funded in part by U.S. labor unions – says that:

Shierholz: In the ongoing debate on immigration, there is broad agreement among academic economists that it has a small but positive impact on the wages of native-born workers overall: although new immigrant workers add to the labor supply, they also consume goods and services, which creates more jobs …

Both Griswold and Shierholz acknowledge that some workers may be harmed by an influx of immigrant labor. Griswold writes that "low-skilled immigrants do exert mild downward pressure on the wages of the lowest-paid American workers," though the overall impact on jobs and the economy is positive. Another economist, George Borjas, an advocate of clamping down on immigration, found that between 1980 and 2000 native-born Americans without a high school education saw their wages decline 7.4 percent because of immigrant labor.

Shierholz found that it’s often other foreign-born workers — especially those who came to the U.S. several years earlier — who get the short end of the stick. But American workers benefit, she writes:

Shierholz: A key result from this work is that the estimated effect of immigration from 1994 to 2007 was to raise the wages of U.S.-born workers, relative to foreign-born workers, by 0.4%(or $3.68 per week), and to lower the wages of foreign-born workers, relative to U.S.-born workers, by 4.6%(or $33.11 per week).
Civician

Dixon, CA

#63 Oct 30, 2013
factcheck.org cont'd:

The consensus that immigrant workers expand the U.S. economy is broad, and crosses party lines. In 2005, the White House of Republican President George W. Bush remarked on the fact in one of its annual economic reports to Congress:

Economic Report of the President, Feb. 2005: The foreign-born are associated with much of the employment growth in recent years. Between 1996 and 2003, when total employment grew by 11 million, 58 percent of the net increase was among foreign-born workers….[E]mployment of natives as operators, fabricators, and laborers fell by 1.4 million between 1996 and 2002, while employment in such occupations grew by 930,000 among the foreign-born. This should not be taken as evidence that the foreign-born displace native workers; rather, it reflects the fact that immigrants have made up all of the growth in the low-skilled workforce.

The people pictured in the elevator in CFAW’s ad aren’t likely to be competing with immigrant labor for positions. There may be other reasons for an overhaul of current immigration policy. But the idea that foreign-born workers are stealing American jobs should be turned back at the border.
Civician

Dixon, CA

#64 Oct 30, 2013
factcheck.org (1)

But whether they’re legal, as in the CFAW ad, or illegal, as in our two other examples, really doesn’t matter for the purpose of answering our question: The truth is that immigrants don’t "take American jobs," according to most economists and others who have studied the issue.

Immigrant workers "create almost as many" jobs as they occupy, "and maybe more," said Madeleine Sumption, policy analyst at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute, which is funded by a range of foundations, corporations and international organizations. "They often create the jobs they work in." In addition, "they buy things, and they make the economy bigger," she told us. As she and a co-author wrote in a report last year for a group created by the British government:

Somerville and Sumption:[T]he impact of immigration [on a nation's economy] remains small, for several reasons. Immigrants are not competitive in many types of jobs, and hence are not direct substitutes for natives. Local employers increase demand for low-skilled labor in areas that receive low-skilled immigrant inflows. Immigrants contribute to demand for goods and services that they consume, in turn increasing the demand for labor. And immigrants contribute to labor market efficiency and long-term economic growth.

David Griswold, director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, wrote in an article for Commentary magazine in December:

Griswold: The addition of low-skilled immigrants expands the size of the overall economy, creating higher-wage openings for managers, craftsmen, accountants, and the like. The net result is a greater financial reward and relatively more opportunities for those Americans who finish high school.

And a new study by economist Heidi Shierholz of the Economic Policy Institute — a liberal think tank that has been funded in part by U.S. labor unions – says that:

Shierholz: In the ongoing debate on immigration, there is broad agreement among academic economists that it has a small but positive impact on the wages of native-born workers overall: although new immigrant workers add to the labor supply, they also consume goods and services, which creates more jobs …

Both Griswold and Shierholz acknowledge that some workers may be harmed by an influx of immigrant labor. Griswold writes that "low-skilled immigrants do exert mild downward pressure on the wages of the lowest-paid American workers," though the overall impact on jobs and the economy is positive. Another economist, George Borjas, an advocate of clamping down on immigration, found that between 1980 and 2000 native-born Americans without a high school education saw their wages decline 7.4 percent because of immigrant labor.
factcheck.org

Shierholz found that it’s often other foreign-born workers — especially those who came to the U.S. several years earlier — who get the short end of the stick. But American workers benefit, she writes:

Shierholz: A key result from this work is that the estimated effect of immigration from 1994 to 2007 was to raise the wages of U.S.-born workers, relative to foreign-born workers, by 0.4%(or $3.68 per week), and to lower the wages of foreign-born workers, relative to U.S.-born workers, by 4.6%(or $33.11 per week).
Civician

Dixon, CA

#65 Oct 30, 2013
2ndAmRight wrote:
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Care to provide some EVIDENCE which backs your [errant] claims? NO? Yeah, I didn't think so. "Illegal" is just that - ILLEGAL. No amount of errant justification is going to alter that FACT one iota.
I found just one of many in about 10 seconds; I apologize for posting first part twice, but the facts speak for themselves. If you dwell on talking points for your proof you will fail to find the truth on issues, and be prone to errant justification.
Civician

Dixon, CA

#66 Oct 30, 2013
2ndAmRight wrote:
<quoted text>
Care to provide some EVIDENCE which backs your [errant] claims? NO? Yeah, I didn't think so. "Illegal" is just that - ILLEGAL. No amount of errant justification is going to alter that FACT one iota.
BTW, though I'm sure you will be willing to learn new information on a subject in order to avoid 'errant justification,' please notice that among the studies cited is one from the Cato Institute. You do know about them, right?

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#68 Oct 30, 2013
Civician wrote:
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BTW, though I'm sure you will be willing to learn new information on a subject in order to avoid 'errant justification,' please notice that among the studies cited is one from the Cato Institute. You do know about them, right?
"You are trying to DEFEND the destruction of our country?"

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#69 Oct 30, 2013
Civician wrote:
<quoted text>
I found just one of many in about 10 seconds; I apologize for posting first part twice, but the facts speak for themselves. If you dwell on talking points for your proof you will fail to find the truth on issues, and be prone to errant justification.
AGAIN; "You are trying to DEFEND the destruction of our country?" WHY?
Civician

Dixon, CA

#70 Oct 30, 2013
2ndAmRight wrote:
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AGAIN; "You are trying to DEFEND the destruction of our country?" WHY?
Could you please provide evidence that our country is being destroyed? That would certainly be helpful.
Civician

Dixon, CA

#71 Oct 30, 2013
2ndAmRight wrote:
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"You are trying to DEFEND the destruction of our country?"
BTW, do you always accuse someone who uses knowledge, facts, etc. to debunk your myths of wanting to destroy the country? Aren't you in fact trying to destroy this country? You deal in lies, in the face of truth lash out, and when confronted with your dishonesty accuse someone of destruction. Sad, really.

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#73 Oct 30, 2013
Civician wrote:
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BTW, do you always accuse someone who uses knowledge, facts, etc. to debunk your myths of wanting to destroy the country? Aren't you in fact trying to destroy this country? You deal in lies, in the face of truth lash out, and when confronted with your dishonesty accuse someone of destruction. Sad, really.
It certainly appears that you are typing a comment to yourself. As NONE of that which you have submitted is "FACTS". Rather it is slanted CONJECTURE utilized to advance an ERRANT position. The REAL "FACTS" are the BOTTOM LINE. And the evidence which I have submitted is IRREFUTABLE. And the FACT that you maintain and promote an ERRANT position is "sad" indeed. Not to mention that it could be construed as being treasonous.
nym8387

Stratford, CT

#74 Oct 31, 2013
Just Relax wrote:
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Flagged and reported for domestic terrorist threats.
How can it be domestic when I'm talking about an illegal alien parasite?
people died obama lied

Newnan, GA

#76 Oct 31, 2013
PrinceofDarkness wrote:
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you know this how exactly? is your mom reporting to you from down there while she is servicing the gun clubs there?
Nice try moron...I've been to mexico,costa rica,honduras, and elsalvador numerous times. I've seen the day laborers...I think I've even seen your mother providing relief to a mule in a field. Maybe it was you dressed as your mother.

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