Immigration reform? First enforce exi...

Immigration reform? First enforce existing laws

There are 26 comments on the Lowell Sun story from Jun 14, 2010, titled Immigration reform? First enforce existing laws. In it, Lowell Sun reports that:

The recent Arizona immigration bill has stimulated debate not only about the bill's merits but also about our country's illegal immigration challenges.

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Lowell Taxpayer

Billerica, MA

#1 Jun 14, 2010
You have my vote!
AllForIt

Lowell, MA

#2 Jun 14, 2010
My exact sentiments. Secure our borders and enforce the existing laws. This is still a great country and LEGAL immigrants have and will always be welcome.
Jim

Boston, MA

#3 Jun 14, 2010
Wow,$100 billion sounds like a lot of money. Would you be willing to provide some links to those estimates of what illegal immigrants cost the U.S.?

Since: Jun 10

Bradenton, FL

#4 Jun 14, 2010
I agree with everything you say, Jon. We need to remove the magnets that keep illegals here. The biggest magnet we have is free money illegals in the form of benefits that are given to them because they have children that are born on US soil.
The US Constitution affords these children all the right of citizenship, therefore, every child the illegals have means more federal funds disbursed. The average cost, per taxpayer to support children of illegals aliens is $35,000 per child, per year. Deport the parents and place the children up for adoption by US citizens, or allow the aliens to take them back where they came from. If the money stops, the alien influx will stop also.
Taxpayer

Pleasanton, CA

#5 Jun 14, 2010
Jim, I see you are from Cambridge the Sanctuary city. Are you Pro illegal? As a taxpayer I do not want a single penny of my tax dollars going to illegals. However those that don't agree are free to contribute whatever they would like.
Jim wrote:
Wow,$100 billion sounds like a lot of money. Would you be willing to provide some links to those estimates of what illegal immigrants cost the U.S.?
Drunk Drivers R Murderers

United States

#6 Jun 14, 2010
Jim wrote:
Wow,$100 billion sounds like a lot of money. Would you be willing to provide some links to those estimates of what illegal immigrants cost the U.S.?
It's more like $500B but even a penny is too much. Why should americans pay anything in benefits to criminals who illegally invade the country.??

America is the laughingstock of the world because of how we coddle these parasites. Mexicans esp laugh at us stupid gringos.
TWK

Tewksbury, MA

#7 Jun 14, 2010
We need an immigration law like Mexico's.
brownsview

Tewksbury, MA

#8 Jun 14, 2010
Talk is cheap. Everyone by now knows that there is a federal immigration law to handle the illegal immigration problem. Everyone also knows that this federal immigration law is being ignored. Does President Obama not want to enforce it? Did George Bush not want to enforce it? Did Bill Clinton not want to enforce it? The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 is the current statute to be applied. Three US Presidents have refused to enforce federal law. How can a free state exist if laws are not enforced? It will not exist for long. Is this the intention of the last 3 presidents? What can be done to enforce a federal law that a sitting President refuses to enforce?

Article II -- The Executive Branch
Section 3 --
…he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,…

Can the President pick and choose what laws to enforce and not enforce? Is the Constitution no longer relevant? Are we “ruled” by men or laws? The answer is apparently becoming “the man”.

The only answer is to return to the Constitution or give in to the rule of “the man”.

How do we return to the Constitution?
Enforce it!

Section 4: Impeachment
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and misdemeanors.

Refusal to enforce federal law could surely be construed to be a misdemeanor as it is quite flagrant and it is a violation of his Constitutional duties.

We all know that nothing would come of such an endeavor with the present sitting Congress but this could be an election issue in 2010.

Another possibility is for state Attorneys General to file lawsuits against him for his refusal to enforce immigration laws and putting their citizens in jeopardy.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. " Thomas Jefferson

Dale E. Brown for Congress MA05 2010
Jim

Waltham, MA

#9 Jun 15, 2010
Okay Jon, Taxpayer, and DDRM I'll make it simple for those of you with reading comprehension problems: show the data to back up your claims or quit spewing BS. Got it?
Amused

Newton Center, MA

#10 Jun 15, 2010
Here's a question for Mr. Golnick. Are you ready and willing to support the appropriation of sufficient funds to bring the necessary government agencies charged with enforcing immigration laws up to the staffing levels required to enforce the immigration laws? At present, the Executive Office of Immigration Review, commonly called "immigration court" has a huge backlog of cases waiting to be adjudicated. Aliens who are being charged with being removable for reasons other than the commission of serious crimes often wait 2 or more years for a hearing. Increasing the number of aliens placed in removal proceedings without increasing the number of judges to hear their cases, support staff to process all the paperwork, secure the courtrooms and maintain the facilities, prosecuting attorneys to represent the government, etc. is a sure recipe for failure. Are you willing to appropriate substantially more money for additional detention facilities to hold all the additional aliens you propose to place in the system? Are you willing to appropriate the sums needed to hire, train and equip the number of ICE officers needed to investigate possible illegal aliens and apprehend them, and to pay for the additional support personnel and facilities those agents will require to do their jobs properly and effectively? Do you support the investigation and prosecution of American businesses that knowingly hire illegal aliens and are you willing to vote for substantial increases in the penalties for such businesses that are caught employing illegal aliens? Are you willing to vote to appropriate the money needed to secure our borders, track visitors and detect overstays so that those we remove remain outside the country?

If you want the results you demand, it will require a huge expenditure of taxpayer money. There are estimates that there may be as many as 11 million aliens here illegally. It will take many ICE officers to apprehend 11 million people, many jails and jailers to detain them until they are removed, many judges to hear 11 million cases, many prosecutors to present those 11,000,000 cases. Are you, as a candidate for a seat in Congress, ready to commit to voting to spend this money? If so, how will you fund this massive initiative? Will you propose borrowing the money and increasing the deficit? Will you propose cutting other federal programs and using the money saved to fund this? If so, which programs will you vote to cut? Will you vote to raise taxes to fund this? Which taxes would you raise, and how much of a tax increase would you support to make this project a reality? Because, the fact is, unless you are willing to spend the money, this is nothing more than grandstanding and political posturing.
TAXPAYER

Pleasanton, CA

#11 Jun 15, 2010
I think it's you that has reading comprehension problems along with math problems! Do the math! If there are 12 million illegals (some say 30 million) how many do you think are paying taxes! How many have children in the school system! How many have health insurance. How many driving uninsured cars? How many are committing crimes? Figure it out! Do the math!
Jim wrote:
Okay Jon, Taxpayer, and DDRM I'll make it simple for those of you with reading comprehension problems: show the data to back up your claims or quit spewing BS. Got it?
Enforce the laws

Lowell, MA

#12 Jun 15, 2010
I agree. enforce the laws on the books. Require every court, state & federal, to verify the status of every person who interacts with it. Require every benefit providing agency to verify status.
JIm

Boston, MA

#13 Jun 15, 2010
TAXPAYER wrote:
I think it's you that has reading comprehension problems along with math problems! Do the math! If there are 12 million illegals (some say 30 million) how many do you think are paying taxes! How many have children in the school system! How many have health insurance. How many driving uninsured cars? How many are committing crimes? Figure it out! Do the math!
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Okay, let's say 30 million (a number that you provide no evidence for). If they're costing us $100 billion a year, then each illegal is costing the US $30,000/year. If it's 12 billion illegals, then by your own calculation every single illegal immigrant is costing the US over $80,000 per year. I don't know anyone who gets $30k from welfare, and I don't know any school district that spent $30k/year on educating a child, but I do know Snopes thinks your numbers are wildly inflated: http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/ta...

If you want to spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year and deny some citizens the benefits they're entitled to just so you can stick it to to a few undocumented Mexican workers, then say so. Don't try to hide behind a bunch of made up numbers about how the illegal immigrants are costing us more than the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan together ( http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_h... ).
A VERY Proud American

Babson Park, MA

#15 Jun 16, 2010
fatboy4668 wrote:
I agree with everything you say, Jon. We need to remove the magnets that keep illegals here. The biggest magnet we have is free money illegals in the form of benefits that are given to them because they have children that are born on US soil.
The US Constitution affords these children all the right of citizenship, therefore, every child the illegals have means more federal funds disbursed. The average cost, per taxpayer to support children of illegals aliens is $35,000 per child, per year. Deport the parents and place the children up for adoption by US citizens, or allow the aliens to take them back where they came from. If the money stops, the alien influx will stop also.
Excellent post, Fat!!!! Concise and on point!!
L_M_G_T_F_Y

Windham, NH

#16 Jun 16, 2010
Amused wrote:
Here's a question for Mr. Golnick. Are you ready and willing to support the appropriation of sufficient funds to bring the necessary government agencies charged with enforcing immigration laws up to the staffing levels required to enforce the immigration laws? At present, the Executive Office of Immigration Review, commonly called "immigration court" has a huge backlog of cases waiting to be adjudicated. Aliens who are being charged with being removable for reasons other than the commission of serious crimes often wait 2 or more years for a hearing. Increasing the number of aliens placed in removal proceedings without increasing the number of judges to hear their cases, support staff to process all the paperwork, secure the courtrooms and maintain the facilities, prosecuting attorneys to represent the government, etc. is a sure recipe for failure. Are you willing to appropriate substantially more money for additional detention facilities to hold all the additional aliens you propose to place in the system? Are you willing to appropriate the sums needed to hire, train and equip the number of ICE officers needed to investigate possible illegal aliens and apprehend them, and to pay for the additional support personnel and facilities those agents will require to do their jobs properly and effectively? Do you support the investigation and prosecution of American businesses that knowingly hire illegal aliens and are you willing to vote for substantial increases in the penalties for such businesses that are caught employing illegal aliens? Are you willing to vote to appropriate the money needed to secure our borders, track visitors and detect overstays so that those we remove remain outside the country?
If you want the results you demand, it will require a huge expenditure of taxpayer money. There are estimates that there may be as many as 11 million aliens here illegally. It will take many ICE officers to apprehend 11 million people, many jails and jailers to detain them until they are removed, many judges to hear 11 million cases, many prosecutors to present those 11,000,000 cases. Are you, as a candidate for a seat in Congress, ready to commit to voting to spend this money? If so, how will you fund this massive initiative? Will you propose borrowing the money and increasing the deficit? Will you propose cutting other federal programs and using the money saved to fund this? If so, which programs will you vote to cut? Will you vote to raise taxes to fund this? Which taxes would you raise, and how much of a tax increase would you support to make this project a reality? Because, the fact is, unless you are willing to spend the money, this is nothing more than grandstanding and political posturing.
Simple, stop funding Illegals and their schemes to steal our tax dollars and reappropriate those funds into Immigration Enforcement. Once we start using OUR money to stop their illegal activity instead of using it to support their illegal activity, we will be able to afford to enforce the existing laws.

So, instead of allowing them to steal our money, we should use our money to enforce the laws that they are breaking. This will prevent them from further stealing our money and will afford us even more money to continue to ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS.

That's where I'm willing to spend the money - on enforcement in lieu of appeasement.

It's basic Civics - Countries are subdivided along political lines. These lines are called borders. A country that fails to secure its borders, fails to be a country.
Frank

Lowell, MA

#17 Jun 16, 2010
Jim, did you just use "snopes" as a way to prove your point? HA HA.
How about this. Illegals are illegal, we shouldn't be giving them any benefits.
According to your snopes article, illegals aren't on welfare. That goes to show how legit the source is.
Really now

Wallingford, CT

#18 Jun 16, 2010
Put pitbull masks on them and shoot them...that seems to be the new thing going round'
Exactly

Millis, MA

#20 Jun 16, 2010
L_M_G_T_F_Y wrote:
<quoted text>
Simple, stop funding Illegals and their schemes to steal our tax dollars and reappropriate those funds into Immigration Enforcement. Once we start using OUR money to stop their illegal activity instead of using it to support their illegal activity, we will be able to afford to enforce the existing laws.
So, instead of allowing them to steal our money, we should use our money to enforce the laws that they are breaking. This will prevent them from further stealing our money and will afford us even more money to continue to ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS.
That's where I'm willing to spend the money - on enforcement in lieu of appeasement.
It's basic Civics - Countries are subdivided along political lines. These lines are called borders. A country that fails to secure its borders, fails to be a country.
Great Point! Just re-focus the money that is being used to support these ILLEGAL Aliens and use it to enforce the laws that make them illegal.

BRILLIANT!!!

So simple, yet it escapes the minds of those that run our country. I guess that they need the votes - Legal or Not!
Drunk Drivers R Murderers

United States

#21 Jun 16, 2010
Amused wrote:
Here's a question for Mr. Golnick. Are you ready and willing to support the appropriation of sufficient funds to bring the necessary government agencies charged with enforcing immigration laws up to the staffing levels required to enforce the immigration laws?.
No need for that. We can easily make the illegals self-deport at no cost to us. Just do this

1. end birthright citizenship

2. end all benefits for illegals

3. mandate e-verify for all jobs.
Wombat58

Tewksbury, MA

#22 Jun 24, 2010
Drunk Drivers R Murderers wrote:
<quoted text>
No need for that. We can easily make the illegals self-deport at no cost to us. Just do this
1. end birthright citizenship
2. end all benefits for illegals
3. mandate e-verify for all jobs.
Yes, exactly! I continue to be amazed how so many people invent huge complications to this issue, leaving them to conclude that doing nothing is the answer. Sorry. Just follow the 3 steps above and the illegal population will diminish on its own.

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