Gun-control advocates say Connecticut massacre could be tipping point

Full story: The Washington Post

Gun-control advocates believe the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, where semi-automatic weapons were used to gun down 20 small children and six adults, will do what so many other recent mass killings have failed to do: force President Obama and Congress to take action.
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Michigan see this issue differently;

Sweeping changes in Michigan's concealed handgun law go beyond allowing weapons in 'gun free zones'
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/12/s...

We are passing bils to allow people to carry in "Gun free zones" like schools, churches and bars.

Obama s on the wrong side of this one.

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Gun free zones = soft targets for animals who like to slaughter innocent children.

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LEAVE MY GUNS ALONE....
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"In mass shootings involving guns and mind-altering medications, politicians immediately seek to blame guns but never the medication. Nearly every mass shooting that has taken place in America over the last two decades has a link to psychiatric medication, and it appears today’s tragic event is headed in the same direction.

According to ABC News, Adam Lanza, the alleged shooter, has been labeled as having “mental illness” and a “personality disorder.” These are precisely the words typically heard in a person who is being “treated” with mind-altering psychiatric drugs.

One of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs is violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide.

Note: The shooter was originally mid-identified as Ryan Lanza but has now been corrected to Adam Lanza.

The Columbine High School shooters were, of course, on psychiatric drugs at the time they shot their classmates in 1999. Suicidal tendencies and violent, destructive thoughts are some of the admitted behavioral side effects of mind-altering prescription medications.

No gun can, by itself, shoot anyone. It must be triggered by a person who makes a decision to use it. And while people like NY Mayor Bloomberg are predictably trying to exploit the deaths of these children to call for guns to be stripped from all law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong whatsoever, nobody calls for medication control. "

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The rise of psychiatric drugs in America, especially for children, has risen astronomically since 1996. In fact, even as recent as 2006, more money is spent per year on mental health for children aged 0-17 than on any other medical condition, bringing $8.9 billion in new revenues to pharmaceutical companies. In adults, there has been a 73% increase in psychotropic drug prescriptions between 1996 and 2006, increasing revenues for Big Pharma to over $40 billion per year.

Thats $ 40,000,000,000 a year !

School Shootings and Psychiatric Drugs

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Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.

* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.

* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.

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You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

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And yet another shooting took place in a mall parking lot. Thankfully, nobody was hurt.

http://news.yahoo.com/man-fires-50-shots-cali...
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Not even dead kids can change this crazy gun culture.

Check global statistics guys. USA are not any safer than the rest of the western countries. USA are actually a much more dangerous place than Europe, Canada or Australia.

You want to focus on how crazy the killer was? Please do so. But remember, if he didn't have access to those weapons, as he wouldn't in most of the industrial world, the kids would be still alive. Sad truth. We are unable to accept this truth and that is what makes us looking so incredibly retard to the rest of the world.

PS: in terms of safety, remember that if you have a gun, the bad guy will probably have a bigger one or, at least, will know how to use it better than you do.
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They'll make some changes but guns in America is part of the culture of America. There's a reason the gun-anti gun debates get eally heated and go on forever. Just look at the legislature elections after the Clinton gun control politics and the guns sales after the last few years of liberal political victories.

The scary part is everyone screaming more health care. There are problems with over crowding over treating. But " to do something " this is what will happen. Simple behavior issues or conditions will now cause misdiagnosis and over treatment and medication with teens especially. Even worse forced commitment to an "institution".

The gun control agruments are from the same people with the same hypothetical scnerios and questions from the media. A few extra media types are making sure to jump in to look pc. Hypothetical Question: If so called assault weapons (actually semi-automatic rifle weren't in public this tradgedy wouldn't have happend or be as bad. But that thinking is nothing but what if scnerios and Monday morning quarterbacking. If only I had picked the winning lottery numbers...
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Chospo wrote:
Not even dead kids can change this crazy gun culture.
Check global statistics guys. USA are not any safer than the rest of the western countries. USA are actually a much more dangerous place than Europe, Canada or Australia.
You want to focus on how crazy the killer was? Please do so. But remember, if he didn't have access to those weapons, as he wouldn't in most of the industrial world, the kids would be still alive. Sad truth. We are unable to accept this truth and that is what makes us looking so incredibly retard to the rest of the world.
PS: in terms of safety, remember that if you have a gun, the bad guy will probably have a bigger one or, at least, will know how to use it better than you do.
Most of the industrial countries are the size of one of the 50 United States which makes them easier to police AND homegenize. More people will think alike act alike etc. The diversity in population, geography, infrastructure and lifestyle etc make a single law or solution much less effective in the US.

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You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
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Morgan Freeman said no such thing.

It was a hoax.

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Chospo wrote:
Not even dead kids can change this crazy gun culture.
Check global statistics guys. USA are not any safer than the rest of the western countries. USA are actually a much more dangerous place than Europe, Canada or Australia.
You want to focus on how crazy the killer was? Please do so. But remember, if he didn't have access to those weapons, as he wouldn't in most of the industrial world, the kids would be still alive. Sad truth. We are unable to accept this truth and that is what makes us looking so incredibly retard to the rest of the world.
PS: in terms of safety, remember that if you have a gun, the bad guy will probably have a bigger one or, at least, will know how to use it better than you do.
What happens when guns aren't available?

Use a knife, stab 22 students.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/14...

The only way to prevent these events is to change the way people think.

Simple... slice and dice

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Most of the industrial countries are the size of one of the 50 United States which makes them easier to police AND homegenize. More people will think alike act alike etc. The diversity in population, geography, infrastructure and lifestyle etc make a single law or solution much less effective in the US.
Really?

Perhaps you can explain why these sort of mass killings were unheard of before 1968.
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Very Cynical Person wrote:
You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
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The mainstream media is bad enough but the local media is just as bad in a different way. Local talk radio trying to be o so pc says do not mention the name of the killer, any killer.

But what they FAIL to realize bigtime you actually give these wack jobs more street cred by referring to them as 'the shooter','the gunman','the killer' etc. It is those titles along with the numbers and terms like body count that probably drive some of these guys.

Personally I've been using the phrase child killer or child abuser Adam Lanza because when you kill and put bullets into a child you are abusing them. But to avoid their name and substitute with other terms can be just as bad. Everytime someone does an internet search on child killer Adam Lanza I want to see the words child killer, abuser, wack job, crazy etc associated with child killer Adam Lanza. You do not want to see terms like gunman, shooter, killer etc be associated with their name.

And why do these wack jobs put on paramilitary gear-for practicality, instill fear and a sense of doom, too many video games?

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Connecticut has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and is the poster child for gun control failure.
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Really?
Perhaps you can explain why these sort of mass killings were unheard of before 1968.
There were mass killing before 1968. 1949 Howard Unruh,one of the nations first mass/spree killer. 13 killed in Camden NJ

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/...

Hes well known around the tri state area especially.
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Chospo wrote:
Not even dead kids can change this crazy gun culture.
Check global statistics guys. USA are not any safer than the rest of the western countries. USA are actually a much more dangerous place than Europe, Canada or Australia.
You want to focus on how crazy the killer was? Please do so. But remember, if he didn't have access to those weapons, as he wouldn't in most of the industrial world, the kids would be still alive. Sad truth. We are unable to accept this truth and that is what makes us looking so incredibly retard to the rest of the world.
PS: in terms of safety, remember that if you have a gun, the bad guy will probably have a bigger one or, at least, will know how to use it better than you do.
Said a gov't suck up.
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There were mass killing before 1968. 1949 Howard Unruh,one of the nations first mass/spree killer. 13 killed in Camden NJ
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/...
Hes well known around the tri state area especially.
They were very rare.
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Speaking of gun control and hypothetical arguments/debates.

Does the world or the US even have to the right to stop Irans nuclear program. Not talking about destroying an actual nuclear missle site but do we have the right stop Iran's or any other countries nuclear PROGRAM?

Do we have the right to keep these countries in the dark ages which is actually part of the problem of their militancy and religious fanaticism. With poor technology comes poor communication which inturn leads to a less informed country. Once the Iranian people or anyone else see the benefits and dangers of nuclear power or any other technology they'll have a greater appreciation for it. But setting all that aside do we have the right to stop any country from developing or working a plain old nuclear program simply because it MIGHT be used to develope nuclear weapons which MIGHT be used on US.

The argument ties to an assault weapon because a wack job or criminal MIGHT get ahold of/use one.
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Chospo wrote:
Not even dead kids can change this crazy gun culture.
Check global statistics guys. USA are not any safer than the rest of the western countries. USA are actually a much more dangerous place than Europe, Canada or Australia.
You want to focus on how crazy the killer was? Please do so. But remember, if he didn't have access to those weapons, as he wouldn't in most of the industrial world, the kids would be still alive. Sad truth. We are unable to accept this truth and that is what makes us looking so incredibly retard to the rest of the world.
PS: in terms of safety, remember that if you have a gun, the bad guy will probably have a bigger one or, at least, will know how to use it better than you do.
Exactly...sorry but you Americans are a pretty screwed up culture.
Thank god my kids can go to any school in Australia without having the fear that they're going to be blown away by some crazed maniac.
You say it's people that kill people, guns are just tools...pretty pathetic excuse.
The USA is a pretty violent society in other nations' minds.
Nice place to visit, but wouldn't want to live there.
Just my opinion.
Hopefully, one day your country will change my opinion.

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