Border Patrol checkpoints stir public...

Border Patrol checkpoints stir public backlash

There are 8 comments on the The Jackson Sun story from Jun 7, 2014, titled Border Patrol checkpoints stir public backlash. In it, The Jackson Sun reports that:

For the past seven years, anyone driving out of this small town on either of the main roads north has had to pass through a "temporary" Border Patrol checkpoint.

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#1 Jun 7, 2014
my 2 cent..

what we have here are pro-illegals who want no better then to open the border for everybody in the world to come in.

how else are our law enforcement folks going to stop the illicit drugs from crossing the border unless they have border checkpoints?

if those people who feel harassed driving along that border, then, they can just stop being harassed by NOT driving there.

problem solved.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#2 Jun 7, 2014
"In the case of the Arivaca checkpoint, monitors maintain that the Border Patrol operates it primarily to force migrants to hike farther through the desert. As another monitor, Bobbie Chitwood, put it, "They know they're pushing people further out.""

Seems like the majority of complaints are coming from illegal aliens, coyotes and other smugglers because they have to travel further to avoid the check points.
Sterkfontein Swartkrans

Furlong, PA

#3 Jun 7, 2014
You people must have been asleep in civics class when they discussed the bill of rights. Checkpoints are a clear violation of the fourth amendment. Maybe you are willing to surrender your rights but I am not!
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#4 Jun 7, 2014
Sterkfontein Swartkrans wrote:
You people must have been asleep in civics class when they discussed the bill of rights. Checkpoints are a clear violation of the fourth amendment. Maybe you are willing to surrender your rights but I am not!
you are so full of crap, it's not funny.

have you heard of the 100 mile constitution free border zone?
http://www.wired.com/2008/10/aclu-assails-10/

it EXISTS. and it might interest you to know that MOST if not all countries follow the same rule.

if you think these checkpoints are a clear violation of the 4th amendment, then, why are you not bitching about the immigration lines at the international airports?

let's be real. you are not concerned about surrendering your rights. you want to allow an invasion into the usa.

go FY. guys like you make me sick.

“Club Fed or Camp Cupcake?”

Since: Oct 10

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#5 Jun 7, 2014
What Can Law Enforcement Ask You At A Traffic Stop?
http://www.fronterasdesk.org/content/9656/wha...
“‘Are you married? Why don’t you share the same name?’ And then she looked at my husband and she said,‘You look familiar. Why do you look familiar? Are you hiding something?’ And he was like,'No I’m not hiding anything. I’m injured and I’m wanting to go home,’” Johnston said.

Bosworth said he's saddened by what he believes is the response by the majority of people pulled over in traffic stops.

He believes too many drivers and passengers are intimidated to the point they ignore their Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure.

“You know, it’s my constitutional right not to be questioned and not to be ID'd without probable cause. It was my duty to say,’You know, hey, my constitutional rights are being violated here. Am I under investigation? No! Have I done anything wrong? No,’” he said.

Although Bosworth and Johnston say the trooper was adamant that they had been driving in a passing lane, she let them go.

But to focus on state troopers exclusively isn’t fair. Sheriffs and police sometimes use the same approach.
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#6 Jun 7, 2014
Agents of Corruption wrote:
What Can Law Enforcement Ask You At A Traffic Stop?
http://www.fronterasdesk.org/content/9656/wha...
“‘Are you married? Why don’t you share the same name?’ And then she looked at my husband and she said,‘You look familiar. Why do you look familiar? Are you hiding something?’ And he was like,'No I’m not hiding anything. I’m injured and I’m wanting to go home,’” Johnston said.
Bosworth said he's saddened by what he believes is the response by the majority of people pulled over in traffic stops.
He believes too many drivers and passengers are intimidated to the point they ignore their Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure.
“You know, it’s my constitutional right not to be questioned and not to be ID'd without probable cause. It was my duty to say,’You know, hey, my constitutional rights are being violated here. Am I under investigation? No! Have I done anything wrong? No,’” he said.
Although Bosworth and Johnston say the trooper was adamant that they had been driving in a passing lane, she let them go.
But to focus on state troopers exclusively isn’t fair. Sheriffs and police sometimes use the same approach.
is being near the border and looking like you don't belong enough "probable cause" for you?

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#7 Jun 7, 2014
U.S. Borders Becoming Militarized Zones
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/blog/u-s-bord...
John Ladd’s family has owned 14,000 acres of farmland along the U.S.-Mexico border since 1896. The Ladd’s formed an informal partnership with Mexican farmers, as did other farmers on both sides of the border, to help each other out when they could. That is until the Border Patrol closed the border by erecting a wall in the 1990s. Now Mr. Ladd claims that he has lost his privacy and property rights under the Border Patrol’s broad police powers.
In one case documented by the ACLU a 75-year-old-veteran was hospitalized when he questioned a Border Patrol Agent’s right to search his car. Theoretically, even in a “constitutional-lite” zone a Border Patrol Agent must have what is known as “probable cause” to search a vehicle without a warrant. Probable cause refers to an officer’s reasonable belief that a crime may have been committed and that evidence of that crime exists in the place to be searched. In Larry Kirschenman’s case his only crime was stopping at a border checkpoint and asking the Border Patrol agent “don’t you need some kind of probable cause to search me?” when he was pulled out of his vehicle. At that point Kirschenman’s hands were wrenched behind his back and he was handcuffed. He was put into a cell so forcefully that he lost his balance and his head slammed into the tile floor. To date, he has been unable to file a complaint against the Border Patrol agents and still suffers from lasting injuries from the encounter. No charges were ever filed against Kirschenman. A video detailing his experience can be found here.
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#9 Jun 8, 2014
Agents of Corruption wrote:
U.S. Borders Becoming Militarized Zones
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/blog/u-s-bord...
John Ladd’s family has owned 14,000 acres of farmland along the U.S.-Mexico border since 1896. The Ladd’s formed an informal partnership with Mexican farmers, as did other farmers on both sides of the border, to help each other out when they could. That is until the Border Patrol closed the border by erecting a wall in the 1990s. Now Mr. Ladd claims that he has lost his privacy and property rights under the Border Patrol’s broad police powers.
In one case documented by the ACLU a 75-year-old-veteran was hospitalized when he questioned a Border Patrol Agent’s right to search his car. Theoretically, even in a “constitutional-lite” zone a Border Patrol Agent must have what is known as “probable cause” to search a vehicle without a warrant. Probable cause refers to an officer’s reasonable belief that a crime may have been committed and that evidence of that crime exists in the place to be searched. In Larry Kirschenman’s case his only crime was stopping at a border checkpoint and asking the Border Patrol agent “don’t you need some kind of probable cause to search me?” when he was pulled out of his vehicle. At that point Kirschenman’s hands were wrenched behind his back and he was handcuffed. He was put into a cell so forcefully that he lost his balance and his head slammed into the tile floor. To date, he has been unable to file a complaint against the Border Patrol agents and still suffers from lasting injuries from the encounter. No charges were ever filed against Kirschenman. A video detailing his experience can be found here.
here's how it works..

you EITHER have your border checks, OR you don't have border checks.

one scenario opens the doors to MILLIONS wanting to come in without permission. the other scenario protects americans and America from an INVASION.

frankly, I think allowing for a few bad apples is ok to me as long as it means keeping the bums out. right?.

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