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Officer union wants HPD to question immigrants on status

There are 140 comments on the www.chron.com story from May 10, 2009, titled Officer union wants HPD to question immigrants on status. In it, www.chron.com reports that:

Houston's largest police union, frustrated by the shootings of two officers by illegal immigrants, wants an end to the department's 17-year-old policy of not questioning residents about their immigration status.

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Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#1 May 10, 2009
What is this police force's record on civil rights violations? On accusations on "racial profiling"? How is the union going to defend its members if accused of any of these actions? Has the union explored other solutions? How about a class action, in order to force the issue?

Jorge de P.Rico
The Outlaw Josie Wales

Moreno Valley, CA

#2 May 10, 2009
Murdered police officers by illegals has forced the issue. Your friggen rights end when they infringe on mine. And if my son or husband is out there day in and day out, policing the dregs and thugs of society. Their safety comes before the illegals civil rights.
Officer J D Buck Savage

San Antonio, TX

#3 May 11, 2009
The Outlaw Josie Wales wrote:
Murdered police officers by illegals has forced the issue. Your friggen rights end when they infringe on mine. And if my son or husband is out there day in and day out, policing the dregs and thugs of society. Their safety comes before the illegals civil rights.
I fully agree with you. An Officers safety comes first before hurting some scofflaws feelings because you ask them their immigration status.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Level 8

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#5 May 11, 2009
The Bail Reform Act of 1984 created a powerful detention provision that authorizes a state of local police officer to arrest any alien other than a legal permanent resident for a federal “offense,” and to request a local magistrate to temporarily detain the alien for up to ten days without bail while awaiting transfer into federal custody, so long as the alien is found to be a “flight risk” or danger to any other person or the community.”

The authority to make arrest for federal offenses under 18 U.S.C. 3041 extends to state and local law enforcement officers.(U.S. v Bowdach, 561 F.2d 1160, 1168 (5th Cir. 1977) An illegal alien is an inherent flight risk.

Supreme Court Ruling Razes Artificial Fire Wall Between Local Law Enforcement and Immigration Enforcement (Muehler v. Mena) 9-0 Landmark Decision (Washington D.C.—April 1, 2005) In its March 22 ruling in the case of Muehler v. Mena, the Supreme Court removed barriers that prevent local law enforcement officers from questioning the immigration status of individuals they suspect to be in the United States illegally. In this groundbreaking decision, the high Court rejected the claim of Ira Mena, a permanent resident of the U.S., that police had violated the Fourth Amendment while conducting a lawful search of her home.

The Fourth Amendment provides protection by establishing that persons be shielded against unreasonable search and seizure. Mena argued that by questioning her, and the illegal alien detainees about their immigration status during a lawful search, officers violated her Fourth Amendment rights. Mena further claimed that questions asked about her citizenship required officers to have had independent reasonable suspicion regarding the unlawfulness of her immigration status.

Calling a decision by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals “faulty,” the Supreme Court held that “mere police questioning [regarding one’s immigration status] does not constitute a seizure.” The Court continued its landmark ruling on this issue by stating that “the officers did not need reasonable suspicion to ask Mena for her name, date of birth, or immigration status.”

“Whatever legal fig leaf many police departments have been using to justify policies of non-cooperation with federal immigration authorities, has been stripped away by this landmark Supreme Court decision,”

“If local police are barred from cooperating with federal authorities in the enforcement of U.S. immigration laws it is purely a political decision on the part of local politicians and police chiefs. There is no legal barrier to local police inquiring about a person’s immigration status and then acting upon the information they gather.”

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Level 8

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#6 May 11, 2009
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"The never ending racial profiling stories. You're right it's racial
profiling! If you have a large community of illegal immigrants in China that
are white 6' tall and speak english being questioned while those of Asian
decent are not questioned, wouldn't that be racial profiling? Get over
yourselves people, if the legal hispanic community along with all other
races are tired of this racial profiling then maybe they should do something
about the illegal situation, like reporting them! Since when do we as
Americans have to submit to having our rights usurped to protect people that
have not earned the right to be called Americans? This is not an elitest
comment, if I go to Mexico, Canada or England, I am a guest in their country
and they will for sure know I'm there and have every right to single me out
to ask questions of me. Get over it, especially the news media and this
paper, you perpertuate the hate stories and the "human suffering" stories as
if you own them and want to do something about them. Admit it, without the
illegals you would shrivel up and die without a cause. I have a cause for
you, why don't you write about whats happening to good people that live here
legally, go to work everyday and pay our taxes but we still get accused of
being inhumane, racist and greedy just because we don't get behind saving
the illegal aliens. And the people that want to shout racial profiling keep
shouting. "

“Illegals are not immigrants...”

Level 1

Since: Apr 07

Mid-south, USA

#7 May 11, 2009
Sounds like a plan that needs to be implemented ASAP.
Bluenote

Myrtle Beach, SC

#8 May 11, 2009
Murderd cop at the hands of an illegal

La Raza ?, Guttieriz ?, ACLU,Maldef,SPLC ?

We can't hear you.

Could've happened to anyone...... right ?.

One has to wonder if anything would be done if a relative of someone belonging to these illegal alien loving outfits was murdered by the very people they champion. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......
Dallas

Littleton, CO

#9 May 11, 2009
All L.E. agencies should be checking the legal status. Too many reports of illegals who were
checked and they turned out to be felons either
in the U.S. or their home countries! Just whose country is this ours or illegal alien border jumpers and their so-called advocates?

“Natural laws have no pity”

Since: May 07

Location hidden

#10 May 11, 2009
Bluenote wrote:
Murderd cop at the hands of an illegal
La Raza ?, Guttieriz ?, ACLU,Maldef,SPLC ?
We can't hear you.
Could've happened to anyone...... right ?.
One has to wonder if anything would be done if a relative of someone belonging to these illegal alien loving outfits was murdered by the very people they champion. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......
And you know if a illegal even stubs their toe while in custody, they scream racism.
It is me

Tempe, AZ

#11 May 11, 2009
Every level of every police department in other countries randomly stop people walking down the street, standing at bus stops, or riding trains and check their immigration ID's. In fact in some countries, even citizens are required to carry ID's or get a fine. This should be the job of the police. All people should be asked to prove who they are. I would suggest it during traffic stops where everyone should have some form of ID on them, or at Day laborer locations where illegals congregate.
Carol

Fort Smith, AR

#12 May 11, 2009
This is getting quite rediculous. It is not even the federal governments business to be in immigration. The constitution places it with the states. So why are dems constantly waiting on the feds? They made immigration laws a federal issue without even a constitutional amendment. States are supposed to be handling this. They are all guilty of treason...over and over again.

“SUPPORTING FREE SPEECH”

Since: Jul 08

Oxnard, CA

#13 May 11, 2009
The people who are against this should mention:

If they had "Don't Tread On Me" bumper sticker on their car, we would have the right to pull them over and run all the checks we want.
john

Overland Park, KS

#14 May 11, 2009
I Like That Sheriff Joe wrote:
It should be a requirement of all police agencies To ask. And arrest them if they are illegal.
Yes!
It is me

Tempe, AZ

#15 May 11, 2009
Carol wrote:
This is getting quite rediculous. It is not even the federal governments business to be in immigration. The constitution places it with the states. So why are dems constantly waiting on the feds? They made immigration laws a federal issue without even a constitutional amendment. States are supposed to be handling this. They are all guilty of treason...over and over again.
Actually it is the business of the federal government to enforce immigration. But lets be real, they do not have th manpower to enforce it. It should be on the local level. They have more first contact than federal officials ever could. If you read the article it is the local and state governments that are balking the most. Some of them balking the most are in republican areas. Please stop saying that all democrats want open boarders and no enforcement of emigration laws. That is just not true. Illegal emigration hurts all Americans regardless of political parties. Shame that it has taken America 30 years of republican and democratic administrations to see the errors of their ways.

The funniest thing is that Houston use to be a sanctuary city.lol Crime has skyrocketed in all of the sanctuary cities. Great places for criminals to hide out and not worry about being punished.

“It matters but not very much”

Level 6

Since: Oct 07

Houston, TX

#16 May 11, 2009
Jorge wrote:
What is this police force's record on civil rights violations? On accusations on "racial profiling"? How is the union going to defend its members if accused of any of these actions? Has the union explored other solutions? How about a class action, in order to force the issue?
Jorge de P.Rico
Since I'm a citizen and a taxpayer, I feel the people I employ to uphold the law in my city should be able to do so. That ANY police officer or public servant is wounded or murdered by any illegal alien who isn't BY LAW supposed to be here is a hideous miscarriage of justice.

If Hispanic people are afraid of racial profiling, that's too bad. It it were mostly white people abusing US laws, I wouldn't mind being stopped and asked for my identification. That's what happens when half of Mexico decides to move into a country where they don't belong and are not welcome. Hispanic people should lay blame on where it belongs - on the illegals, not on police.

“All The Pieces Matter.”

Since: Oct 08

Bay Area, CA

#17 May 11, 2009
Independent patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
Since I'm a citizen and a taxpayer, I feel the people I employ to uphold the law in my city should be able to do so. That ANY police officer or public servant is wounded or murdered by any illegal alien who isn't BY LAW supposed to be here is a hideous miscarriage of justice.
If Hispanic people are afraid of racial profiling, that's too bad. It it were mostly white people abusing US laws, I wouldn't mind being stopped and asked for my identification. That's what happens when half of Mexico decides to move into a country where they don't belong and are not welcome. Hispanic people should lay blame on where it belongs - on the illegals, not on police.
I agree!
red the redneck

Melmore, OH

#18 May 11, 2009
Where would you confine all the illegals that would be arrested by this new policy? There would be an overflow in all the area jails! Something has to be done however! The employers of illegals are the ones that should be given prison time!
red the redneck

Melmore, OH

#19 May 11, 2009
Officer J D Buck Savage wrote:
<quoted text> I fully agree with you. An Officers safety comes first before hurting some scofflaws feelings because you ask them their immigration status.
Give the work "scofflaws" a rest already! You have use this world many time in other forums, enough of it already, please think of another word!

“It matters but not very much”

Level 6

Since: Oct 07

Houston, TX

#20 May 11, 2009
red the redneck wrote:
Where would you confine all the illegals that would be arrested by this new policy? There would be an overflow in all the area jails! Something has to be done however! The employers of illegals are the ones that should be given prison time!
FEMA built over 800 concentration camps in 2002. They're still unoccupied and guarded. Those would work to detain illegals until their bus leaves for the border. FEMA said that the camps were built to detain illegals. They need to put them to use.

“It matters but not very much”

Level 6

Since: Oct 07

Houston, TX

#21 May 11, 2009
red the redneck wrote:
<quoted text>Give the work "scofflaws" a rest already! You have use this world many time in other forums, enough of it already, please think of another word!
'Criminals' works for me.

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