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The 99 percent

United States

#1 Nov 7, 2011
Consider what we're hearing from some of the Republican presidential candidates. Herman Cain argued for an electronic fence at the border that could electrocute people, an idea he later retracted. Mitt Romney got accused by Rick Perry of hiring illegal immigrants in his home. Romney accused Perry of creating jobs in Texas for illegals.
Romney, Perry spar over who helped illegal immigrants more
Democrats can't boast because their president has failed - just as his Republican predecessor and several Congresses have - to come up with an immigration policy that stems the flow of illegal immigrants and addresses the need for legal immigrant workers. This needs to be national policy and not left up to the states. States cannot be in the position of dictating or changing foreign policy. Immigration is foreign policy.
We need immigrants for our economy. Opponents can bloviate and bluster all they want about needing to keep jobs for Americans, but they are either lying or misinformed if they think that Americans will work those jobs.
An Associated Press story last week from Alabama featured farmers who saw many of their immigrant workers leave when the get-tough law went into effect. Most of the people quit after a day or two because the work is too hard.
Tomato farmer Wayne Smith said he has never been able to keep a staff of American workers in 25 years of farming.
"People in Alabama are not going to do this," Smith told The Associated Press. "They'd work one day and then just wouldn't show up again."
Wisconsin and Minnesota are no different. The agricultural industry - from large dairy farms, to apple growers and produce growers - also relies on immigrant employment, as do some of the area's manufacturers.
Instead of blaming illegal immigrants for our economic problems, we should realize that our diverse economy needs immigrant workers. They should be working legally, paying the same taxes and collecting the same benefits.
But it's easier for politicians and unemployed Americans who don't want to, can't or are simply unwilling to work those jobs to sit on the couch and complain; English-only complaints, of course.
Whatever

De Soto, KS

#2 Nov 7, 2011
How in the hell many times are you going to roll this over the trhreads?
US Citizen

Beijing, China

#3 Nov 7, 2011
Whatever wrote:
How in the hell many times are you going to roll this over the trhreads?
Report, Report, Report!! LOL

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Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#6 Nov 7, 2011
The 99 percent wrote:
Consider what we're hearing from some of the Republican presidential candidates. Herman Cain argued for an electronic fence at the border that could electrocute people, an idea he later retracted. Mitt Romney got accused by Rick Perry of hiring illegal immigrants in his home. Romney accused Perry of creating jobs in Texas for illegals.
Romney, Perry spar over who helped illegal immigrants more
Democrats can't boast because their president has failed - just as his Republican predecessor and several Congresses have - to come up with an immigration policy that stems the flow of illegal immigrants and addresses the need for legal immigrant workers. This needs to be national policy and not left up to the states. States cannot be in the position of dictating or changing foreign policy. Immigration is foreign policy.
We need immigrants for our economy. Opponents can bloviate and bluster all they want about needing to keep jobs for Americans, but they are either lying or misinformed if they think that Americans will work those jobs.
An Associated Press story last week from Alabama featured farmers who saw many of their immigrant workers leave when the get-tough law went into effect. Most of the people quit after a day or two because the work is too hard.
Tomato farmer Wayne Smith said he has never been able to keep a staff of American workers in 25 years of farming.
"People in Alabama are not going to do this," Smith told The Associated Press. "They'd work one day and then just wouldn't show up again."
Wisconsin and Minnesota are no different. The agricultural industry - from large dairy farms, to apple growers and produce growers - also relies on immigrant employment, as do some of the area's manufacturers.
Instead of blaming illegal immigrants for our economic problems, we should realize that our diverse economy needs immigrant workers. They should be working legally, paying the same taxes and collecting the same benefits.
But it's easier for politicians and unemployed Americans who don't want to, can't or are simply unwilling to work those jobs to sit on the couch and complain; English-only complaints, of course.
You have no link to an article. Ignore the "props" as I certainly didn't mean to give you that for this obnoxious post. Illegals do not belong here and they are not good for the economy. They cost us more than they save us...way more.

http://www.cis.org/FirstQuarter2009Unemployme...

In Unauthorized Migrants: Numbers and Characteristics, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated that 3 percent of illegal immigrants work in agriculture (figure on page 26).

http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/46.pdf

So, if only 3% are working in agriculture, what the hell are the other 97% doing? Gee, I know -- WORK CITIZENS AND LEGAL IMMIGRANTS CAN AND WILL DO. And this is a Hispanic organization doing the study, so you can't cry foul.

You clearly need an education on the jobs illegals take and whether or not citizens and legal immigrants will do them. See my next post.

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#7 Nov 7, 2011
Just for the 99 percent moron:

http://tammybruce.com/2006/12/americans_line_...

The line of applicants hoping to fill jobs vacated by undocumented workers taken away by immigration agents at the Swift & Co. meat-processing plant earlier this week was out the door Thursday. Among them was Derrick Stegall, who carefully filled out paperwork he hoped would get him an interview and eventually land him a job as a slaughterer...

Greg Bonifacio heard about the job openings on television and brought his passport, his Colorado driver's license, his Social Security card and even a color photograph of himself as a young Naval officer to prove his military service.

"I don't want to hassle with any identification problems because of my last name," said Bonifacio, a 59- year-old Thornton resident of Filipino heritage...Bonifacio was hoping to get a job in production or fabrication. So was Nathan Korgan, a former construction worker whose company closed and moved to California.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/200904114344/bor...

Hundreds of American workers immediately applied to fill the 28 jobs left vacant by the arrest of illegal alien workers at the Yamato Engine Specialists Company in the town about 20 miles from the Canadian border.

Nationwide, an estimated 7.7 million U.S. jobs are now held by illegal aliens. In case after case in which enforcement actions have removed illegal workers, legal workers have almost immediately lined up to fill the vacancies. American DO want these jobs. These are jobs that can and should be available to U.S. workers at a time of rising unemployment, without spending $800 billion.
US Citizen

Russia

#8 Nov 7, 2011
Its in the news wrote:
<quoted text>
Its in the news in the news in the news !!! LoL
Just keep spamming, and I'll keep reporting. LMFAO

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#9 Nov 7, 2011
Contained in the following link are several links to the costs of illegal aliens...and we are all paying for them, which is not right. They can go home. We don't need them to pick fruit or veggies or mow lawns.

http://one-simple-idea.com/Costs1.htm

We would save money by giving money to farmers to pay legal immigrants to do this work...and making sure if they are temporary workers that they go home when their visa is up.
The 97 percent

United States

#10 Nov 7, 2011
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>...
So, if only 3% are working in agriculture, what the hell are the other 97% doing?...
Statements that Americans
are not willing to do these jobs demean the hardworking Americans who actually do this work on a daily basis? That's not a fact. That's an opinion. The Georgia and Alabama experiment suggests otherwise. The facts are in the news. 
Millions of Americans hold agricultural jobs: 50% of U.S. agriculture jobs are held by U.S. citizens OR legal immigrants. That means half the jobs are not. And guess which half aren't done by
Americans? Here's a hint: if you can drive a combine to harvest (like wheat), it's being done by Americans. If you have to sit out in
sweltering fields and hand-harvest fragile fruits, it's being done by brown people. But even American farm owners risk losing
their jobs if they can't get the workforce to harvest their crops at a competitive price. If they pay McCain-style $50/hour rates to
harvest lettuce, that would be great for the workers, but those jobs would last days in the face of the agricultural imports. So those
farmers are damned if they do, damned if they don't, and the end result is the same—another
shuttered American farm, and another blow to fragile rural economies.Oh, there will always be those who claim to be willing to pick peaches for $50 per hour, or tar roofs for $500 a day. In fact, I once got a call from a reader who insisted that he would gladly go pick lettuce in California’s Salinas Valley – for $1,000 per week. Let’s stay in the real world, folks. Even if these people are sincere about being willing to do low-skilled work for high wages, they’re not thinking about making it a career. They might do this kind of job for a day or two and cash in. But they’d quit after that.
That’s not theory. That’s fact. Look at what happened in meat packing plants in the Midwest, a few years ago, after ICE agents raided the premises and hauled off hundreds of illegal immigrants. Employers were forced to offer higher wages to hire replacement workers and, sure enough, some U.S. citizens did show up to take those jobs. A week later, most of them had quit.
The 97 percent

United States

#11 Nov 7, 2011
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
... Illegals do not belong here and they are not good for the economy. They cost us more than they save us...
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_1791212...

BUSINESS
Colorado illegal immigrants pay enough taxes to offset cost of their social services, study says

The Denver Post
POSTED: 04/23/2011 01:00:00 AM MDT
Colorado's undocumented immigrants pay as much in taxes as they consume in mandated social services, according to a study Friday from The Bell Policy Center.
The state's estimated 180,000 undocumented immigrants paid $167.5 million in taxes in 2010, the Denver nonprofit's study said.
The largest share came from sales taxes —$114.6 million — with another $30.9 million paid in income taxes and $22 million in property taxes covered mostly through rent payments.
On the other side of the equation, the state spent $166.5 million in federally required services, the Bell study calculates. Those costs include $107.5 million for K-12 education,$26.5 million for emergency medical care and an estimated $32.5 million in incarceration costs.
"This analysis clearly shows that claims that undocumented immigrants are the cause of our budget problems are way off base," Rich Jones, director of policy and research at Bell, said in a statement.
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_1791212...
The 97 percent

United States

#12 Nov 7, 2011
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
... Illegals do not belong here and they are not good for the economy. They cost us more than they save us...
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_1791212...

BUSINESS
Colorado illegal immigrants pay enough taxes to offset cost of their social services, study says

The Denver Post
POSTED: 04/23/2011 01:00:00 AM MDT
Colorado's undocumented immigrants pay as much in taxes as they consume in mandated social services, according to a study Friday from The Bell Policy Center.
The state's estimated 180,000 undocumented immigrants paid $167.5 million in taxes in 2010, the Denver nonprofit's study said.
The largest share came from sales taxes —$114.6 million — with another $30.9 million paid in income taxes and $22 million in property taxes covered mostly through rent payments.
On the other side of the equation, the state spent $166.5 million in federally required services, the Bell study calculates. Those costs include $107.5 million for K-12 education,$26.5 million for emergency medical care and an estimated $32.5 million in incarceration costs.
"This analysis clearly shows that claims that undocumented immigrants are the cause of our budget problems are way off base," Rich Jones, director of policy and research at Bell, said in a statement.
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_1791212...
The 97 percent

United States

#13 Nov 7, 2011
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
So, if only 3% are working in agriculture, what the hell are the other 97% doing?...
working in the downtown offices probably ? Cyndi Smallwood is looking for a few strong men for her landscaping company. Guys with no fear of a hot sun, who can shovel dirt all day long. She'll pay as much as $34 an hour.

She can't find them.Maybe manual labor is something that many Americans couldn't dream of doing.
the U.S. needs a guest worker program.Otherwise, the logic goes, fruit will rot in the fields, offices will overflow with trash and lawns and parks will revert to desert.

Countering that view, opponents of a guest worker program say that Americans would find the jobs more enticing if there wasn't foreign competition to swell the labor pool and push wages down.

Smallwood is ambivalent on immigration reform, saying demands for immediate citizenship by those who entered the country illegally are offensive. But without a guest worker program, she says, her company probably will not survive.

"To get workers, you have to steal them from other companies," the 54-year-old entrepreneur says.

Even that has been unproductive recently. She'd ideally like to add eight employees by the end of the year to her current staff of 12.

The lawn and landscape business in California is heavily Latino, with an abundance of illegal immigrants. In a study of Los Angeles County's "off-the-books" labor force, the Economic Roundtable, a nonprofit research organization, estimated that a quarter of the landscape workers were undocumented. That leaves the companies vulnerable to crackdowns, which has them agitating for guest workers.

At Smallwood's company, Diversified Landscape Management, there's one white employee, an engineer. The other employees are Latino and, as far as Smallwood can tell, all in the country legally. Her employees need driver's licenses and the ability to move through freeway checkpoints near the border, which tend to eliminate any with fake papers.
http://articles.latimes.com/2006/may/18/busin...
Congratulations to Nancy Lofholm for her article on the difficulties of finding local workers for jobs in the orchards and vineyards in the Palisade area. This is exactly what used to happen 30 years ago when I was commissioner of agriculture for Gov. Richard Lamm, and in 2003-04 when I was the volunteer attorney for Mexican workers who came to El Centro Humanitario in Denver with wage claims for working in construction.

In both instances — farm work and construction — it was almost impossible to find local workers. The construction area was a huge surprise to me because the Mexicans workers I helped were making $14-20 per hour, not the $8 being paid to farm workers in Palisade. You would assume that for those higher wages, more Coloradans would be interested, but that wasn’t the case.

There are many jobs that Americans simply will not do. In fairness to employers like Talbott, we should cut down on the paperwork, make it easier for them to bring in temporary workers for Mexico, and give up on the costly fantasy that Americans will take these jobs.

The real issue for Americans is not trying to artificially maintain outdated jobs but building a workforce that is far better educated, skilled and innovative than today’s. This is a long-term project, but it is the only way for America to retain its economic superiority.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/eletters/2010/04/... ’t-do-it’s-not-a-myth/8914/

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

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Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#14 Nov 7, 2011
Educate yourself:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30209359/
Some of the IMPORTANT things the study points out is that "—One-third of the children of illegal immigrants live in poverty, nearly double the rate for children of U.S.-born parents."

That means that the hard working OVERBURDENED people in the communities & must pay for their births, their health care, housing (the anchors qualify them for all that and more) FOOD STAMPS, school lunches ... Spanish speaking teachers.. the list is endless.

Another thing, "—About 47 percent of illegal immigrant households have children, compared with 21 percent for U.S.-born residents and 35 percent for legal immigrants."

That means that OUR children are going without, as families struggle to pay for ever increasing taxes to make up for the benefits that these LARGE families of ILLEGAL ALIENS USE.
The 97 present

United States

#15 Nov 7, 2011
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
So, if only 3% are working in agriculture, what the hell are the other 97% doing?...
working in the downtown offices probably ? Cyndi Smallwood is looking for a few strong men for her landscaping company. Guys with no fear of a hot sun, who can shovel dirt all day long. She'll pay as much as $34 an hour.

She can't find them.Maybe manual labor is something that many Americans couldn't dream of doing.
the U.S. needs a guest worker program.Otherwise, the logic goes, fruit will rot in the fields, offices will overflow with trash and lawns and parks will revert to desert.

Countering that view, opponents of a guest worker program say that Americans would find the jobs more enticing if there wasn't foreign competition to swell the labor pool and push wages down.

Smallwood is ambivalent on immigration reform, saying demands for immediate citizenship by those who entered the country illegally are offensive. But without a guest worker program, she says, her company probably will not survive.

"To get workers, you have to steal them from other companies," the 54-year-old entrepreneur says.

Even that has been unproductive recently. She'd ideally like to add eight employees by the end of the year to her current staff of 12.

The lawn and landscape business in California is heavily Latino, with an abundance of illegal immigrants. In a study of Los Angeles County's "off-the-books" labor force, the Economic Roundtable, a nonprofit research organization, estimated that a quarter of the landscape workers were undocumented. That leaves the companies vulnerable to crackdowns, which has them agitating for guest workers.

At Smallwood's company, Diversified Landscape Management, there's one white employee, an engineer. The other employees are Latino and, as far as Smallwood can tell, all in the country legally. Her employees need driver's licenses and the ability to move through freeway checkpoints near the border, which tend to eliminate any with fake papers.
http://articles.latimes.com/2006/may/18/busin...
Congratulations to Nancy Lofholm for her article on the difficulties of finding local workers for jobs in the orchards and vineyards in the Palisade area. This is exactly what used to happen 30 years ago when I was commissioner of agriculture for Gov. Richard Lamm, and in 2003-04 when I was the volunteer attorney for Mexican workers who came to El Centro Humanitario in Denver with wage claims for working in construction.

In both instances — farm work and construction — it was almost impossible to find local workers. The construction area was a huge surprise to me because the Mexicans workers I helped were making $14-20 per hour, not the $8 being paid to farm workers in Palisade. You would assume that for those higher wages, more Coloradans would be interested, but that wasn’t the case.

There are many jobs that Americans simply will not do. In fairness to employers like Talbott, we should cut down on the paperwork, make it easier for them to bring in temporary workers for Mexico, and give up on the costly fantasy that Americans will take these jobs.

The real issue for Americans is not trying to artificially maintain outdated jobs but building a workforce that is far better educated, skilled and innovative than today’s. This is a long-term project, but it is the only way for America to retain its economic superiority.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/eletters/2010/04/... ’t-do-it’s-not-a-myth/8914/
The 97 percent

United States

#16 Nov 7, 2011
US Citizen wrote:
<quoted text>
Just keep spamming, and I'll keep reporting. LMFAO
thank God you can't report the media news as spam also, Paul Joseph Goebbels

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#17 Nov 7, 2011
The 97 percent wrote:
<quoted text>Statements that Americans
are not willing to do these jobs demean the hardworking Americans who actually do this work on a daily basis? That's not a fact. That's an opinion. The Georgia and Alabama experiment suggests otherwise. The facts are in the news. 
Millions of Americans hold agricultural jobs: 50% of U.S. agriculture jobs are held by U.S. citizens OR legal immigrants. That means half the jobs are not. And guess which half aren't done by
Americans? Here's a hint: if you can drive a combine to harvest (like wheat), it's being done by Americans. If you have to sit out in
sweltering fields and hand-harvest fragile fruits, it's being done by brown people. But even American farm owners risk losing
their jobs if they can't get the workforce to harvest their crops at a competitive price. If they pay McCain-style $50/hour rates to
harvest lettuce, that would be great for the workers, but those jobs would last days in the face of the agricultural imports. So those
farmers are damned if they do, damned if they don't, and the end result is the same—another
shuttered American farm, and another blow to fragile rural economies.Oh, there will always be those who claim to be willing to pick peaches for $50 per hour, or tar roofs for $500 a day. In fact, I once got a call from a reader who insisted that he would gladly go pick lettuce in California’s Salinas Valley – for $1,000 per week. Let’s stay in the real world, folks. Even if these people are sincere about being willing to do low-skilled work for high wages, they’re not thinking about making it a career. They might do this kind of job for a day or two and cash in. But they’d quit after that.
That’s not theory. That’s fact. Look at what happened in meat packing plants in the Midwest, a few years ago, after ICE agents raided the premises and hauled off hundreds of illegal immigrants. Employers were forced to offer higher wages to hire replacement workers and, sure enough, some U.S. citizens did show up to take those jobs. A week later, most of them had quit.
You don't seem to get that there are many temporary work visas available for farmers to take advantage of so they can bring workers over -- LEGALLY -- who would then have to leave when the harvest is over. However, many of these farmers do not want to take advantage of that because then they have to W-2 the workers, take out taxes, provide safe work conditions, etc. So, instead, they hire illegal aliens.

EVERYONE has to follow the laws, including the farmers. So sorry, but a fact is a fact.

The illegals cost us more than they will ever be worth to us.
Real Bonnie

Boise, ID

#20 Nov 7, 2011
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't seem to get that there are many temporary work visas available for farmers to take advantage of so they can bring workers over -- LEGALLY -- who would then have to leave when the harvest is over. However, many of these farmers do not want to take advantage of that because then they have to W-2 the workers, take out taxes, provide safe work conditions, etc. So, instead, they hire illegal aliens.
EVERYONE has to follow the laws, including the farmers. So sorry, but a fact is a fact.
The illegals cost us more than they will ever be worth to us.
OMG. Shoe polish My friend?

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#21 Nov 7, 2011
The 97 percent wrote:
<quoted text> thank God you can't report the media news as spam also, Paul Joseph Goebbels
Nope, but I can and will report it for abuse of copyright laws. LMFAO
US Citizen

Huntsville, AR

#25 Nov 7, 2011
Bonnie_Blue wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, but I can and will report it for abuse of copyright laws. LMFAO
LOL way to go BB, me too.

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#26 Nov 7, 2011
The97percent wrote:
<quoted text> you want to be Paul Joseph Goebbels really bad
You'd better read Toipx TOS jerk.

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Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#27 Nov 7, 2011
The 97 percent wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_1791212...
BUSINESS
Colorado illegal immigrants pay enough taxes to offset cost of their social services, study says
The Denver Post
POSTED: 04/23/2011 01:00:00 AM MDT
Colorado's undocumented immigrants pay as much in taxes as they consume in mandated social services, according to a study Friday from The Bell Policy Center.
The state's estimated 180,000 undocumented immigrants paid $167.5 million in taxes in 2010, the Denver nonprofit's study said.
The largest share came from sales taxes —$114.6 million — with another $30.9 million paid in income taxes and $22 million in property taxes covered mostly through rent payments.
On the other side of the equation, the state spent $166.5 million in federally required services, the Bell study calculates. Those costs include $107.5 million for K-12 education,$26.5 million for emergency medical care and an estimated $32.5 million in incarceration costs.
"This analysis clearly shows that claims that undocumented immigrants are the cause of our budget problems are way off base," Rich Jones, director of policy and research at Bell, said in a statement.
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_1791212...
You really are an idiot, aren't you? What they aren't recognizing is the costs in WELFARE and other governmental assistance. Why? Because the welfare is being paid to ANCHOR RATS -- children of illegal aliens who were born here. However, you must realize that when the "child" gets help with rent and food and everything else, the whole family takes advantage of that. They can't include that in their costs because the child is a citizen...which is b.s. to begin with. Even tourists pay taxes -- so does that mean they should be allowed to work here? NO!

And, the illegals that are paying taxes are doing so with STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS -- a felony. We don't reward crime.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/means...

Illegal immigration imposes significant costs on public coffers. Whereas 14.8 percent of native households use at least one of the five major welfare programs, among households headed by an illegal alien from Mexico the figure is 24.9 percent. Illegal immigrants from Mexico primarily receive welfare benefits on behalf of their American-born children. Whether legal or illegal, immigrants from Mexico make heavy use of means-tested programs. One possible unintended consequence of legalizing Mexican illegals already in the country would be to substantially increase their use of means-tested programs.

Illegals from Mexico actually use such programs at higher rates than natives in many cases. Any guestworker program would bring in large numbers of immigrants from Mexico with very low skill levels and resulting low incomes. Their low incomes coupled with their children’s eligibility would mean very significant costs to taxpayers even if the guestworkers themselves are successfully barred from using such programs.

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