Levin won't back Ayotte bill to repeal military pension cuts

Jan 7, 2014 Full story: Free Republic 59

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin said Tuesday that he cannot support Sen. Kelly Ayotte's bill to repeal $6 billion in cuts to military pensions because of the way it offsets the costs.

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Level 3

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#46 Jan 8, 2014
LookingToEscape wrote:
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You went beyond informed, you started making moral judgments and once you go there you become a fraud, a moral dabbler and your ethics are built on a comfort zone of your own construction.
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Time well spent also infers your superiority. I would make the determination if the time is well spent, not you. If you got a good product, you do not need the pushy sells pitch.
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Whether you are Indian or not is immaterial for the Indians would have to face a banishment fitting their own if you were sent back to a more unpleasant, primitive lifestyle. One must be fair.
Correction, should be: sales pitch.
Level 6

Since: Apr 10

Las Vegas, NV

#47 Jan 8, 2014
This is going to come back and bite democrats in the butt, it's a election year. I'am telling everyone i know about the cuts and allowing illegal aliens to collect billions in tax refunds.

I live across from Nellis AFB and know many Airman. You think they will still vote for a party that takes bread off their tables?

BTW, deport all illegal aliens, young and old!!!
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#48 Jan 8, 2014
Oldglory wrote:
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Being born in "this" country does entitle one to all kinds of rights. Sorry you disagree but it is the same for all ciizens of all countries. Just where am I picking an American minority (and what I mean is a U.S. citizen) for disenfranchisement or worse?
You certainly claim to know me and "my kind" and you incorrectly assume so much that's false.

I won't presume to humor your "inquiring mind" by supplying factual information about myself, but I'll eagerly redirect it to raise questions about your own thinking, which I consider particularly ethnocentric.

To wit, your understanding of America and Americans appears limited by your focus on the US and your US citizenship with absolutely no peripheral vision as the center of the universe. It only seems that way. Canadians, Mexicans and Guatemalans are among the other modern American states and they all had people living there before the modern states were born. Viewed from a broader perspective, the picture looks quite different.

As you inquire within, let us know what you find.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#49 Jan 8, 2014
LookingToEscape wrote:
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You went beyond informed, you started making moral judgments and once you go there you become a fraud, a moral dabbler and your ethics are built on a comfort zone of your own construction.
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Time well spent also infers your superiority. I would make the determination if the time is well spent, not you. If you got a good product, you do not need the pushy sells pitch.
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Whether you are Indian or not is immaterial for the Indians would have to face a banishment fitting their own if you were sent back to a more unpleasant, primitive lifestyle. One must be fair.
OK then. I consider myself dressed down. Nice work.

"Time well spent also infers your superiority." I believe you mean "implies," but if you infer superiority by my post, I can claim no responsibility. I may be exceptionally cool, but I'm certainly not omnipotent. I recognize that it annoys you that I say I'm really cool, but why would it? Seriously; how come?

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
Level 6

Since: Apr 10

Las Vegas, NV

#50 Jan 8, 2014
kuda wrote:
Those advocating deportation of "anchors," especially those whose parental line anchored here from Europe, should consider self-deporting, to borrow a term coined by Mitt Romney, as a public service.
They seem conveniently unaware that Europeans didn't really discover America, but only the Americans who were here to greet them, since it happens that "we the people" are the real "illegals" and those they consider illegals are the real Americans.
But to be big, we should welcome "we the people" in America too. After all, it's nice to share.
This is not about Americans, this is about Indians south of the border who have a country but can't manage it. They have a screwed up culture and customs, they make bad decisions, put put criminals in office, support drug gangs. Can't follow rules and laws.

When they sneak here they are still the same people. They import their 3rd world culture and wonder why things don't work out for them.

Go back home and do some heavy lifting and make your country work.
Level 6

Since: Apr 10

Las Vegas, NV

#51 Jan 8, 2014
kuda wrote:
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You certainly claim to know me and "my kind" and you incorrectly assume so much that's false.
I won't presume to humor your "inquiring mind" by supplying factual information about myself, but I'll eagerly redirect it to raise questions about your own thinking, which I consider particularly ethnocentric.
To wit, your understanding of America and Americans appears limited by your focus on the US and your US citizenship with absolutely no peripheral vision as the center of the universe. It only seems that way. Canadians, Mexicans and Guatemalans are among the other modern American states and they all had people living there before the modern states were born. Viewed from a broader perspective, the picture looks quite different.
As you inquire within, let us know what you find.
The people you mentioned are not from the United States, not from American culture.

"Canadians, Mexicans and Guatemalans are among the other modern American states"

Modern states? Canada is, the rest are 3rd, not 2nd world states.
ronnie

Brigham City, UT

#52 Jan 9, 2014
kuda wrote:
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That's right! There's more...
1) Please use the bag located in the pocket of the seat in front of you and remember to keep your own seat in the full upright position.Y por favor, de no fumadores!
2) Do those whom you so vehemently despise really have "5-6 kids" and usually "out of wedlock?" Not that either really matters, but you should bother to document these beliefs with actual statistics, lest you appear to be getting yourself all worked up out of prejudice.
3) Do people from "Mexihell" call Salt Lake, UT "Mormahell?" I doubt it. Show some respect. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Yes Kruddy, I have business relationships and family ties in Nevada. My family has employed these interlopers for over twenty years, and they smile and brag, about there 15-16 thousand bucks in child tax credit's, live with the father but never Marry, use section 8 and sub-subsidized housing and Snap, or food stamps and the American workers standing next too this chit, make the same and get nothing accept to help pay tax to pay for illegals health care... I know so much more than you could squeeze in too that racist brain buddy... They've f___k___d the American people and they are a disease to our Nation. Walk in my shoes, you'll concur....
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#53 Jan 10, 2014
ronnie wrote:
<quoted text>Yes Kruddy, I have business relationships and family ties in Nevada. My family has employed these interlopers for over twenty years, and they smile and brag, about there 15-16 thousand bucks in child tax credit's, live with the father but never Marry, use section 8 and sub-subsidized housing and Snap, or food stamps and the American workers standing next too this chit, make the same and get nothing accept to help pay tax to pay for illegals health care... I know so much more than you could squeeze in too that racist brain buddy... They've f___k___d the American people and they are a disease to our Nation. Walk in my shoes, you'll concur....
Speaking of walking in other people's shoes, since the only argument you can cite to support your prejudices are anecdotal, derived from your "family ties," you should consider breaking those ties to avoid your personal torment at least getting some distance from your Nevada kin who apparently don't share your prejudices. Alternatively, you might simply impose yourself upon them as their employment advisor to require your approval before hiring minorities whom you dislike or feel at liberty to make personal, family and tax decisions whereof you disapprove.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#54 Jan 10, 2014
spytheweb wrote:
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The people you mentioned are not from the United States, not from American culture.
"Canadians, Mexicans and Guatemalans are among the other modern American states"
Modern states? Canada is, the rest are 3rd, not 2nd world states.
I understand your perspective.
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#55 Jan 10, 2014
kuda wrote:
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Speaking of walking in other people's shoes, since the only argument you can cite to support your prejudices are anecdotal, derived from your "family ties," you should consider breaking those ties to avoid your personal torment at least getting some distance from your Nevada kin who apparently don't share your prejudices. Alternatively, you might simply impose yourself upon them as their employment advisor to require your approval before hiring minorities whom you dislike or feel at liberty to make personal, family and tax decisions whereof you disapprove.
Why would you lump illegal aliens in with the legal or citizen minorities of this country? The first group doesn't even have a right to be in this country much less to work here. The second group does have those rights and I don't know of many Americans that object to them being hired for jobs. You pro-illegals are quite the spinmasters, aren't you?
wild child

Brooklyn, NY

#56 Jan 10, 2014
They will all get their money, (retroactive) obama looks like the moron he is.democrats will be voted out.no amnesty will pass.republicans will win all races.people know whats going on.if you are american you can not vote democrat.this further helps to kill amnesty.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#57 Jan 10, 2014
I understand your perspective and the assumptions upon which it is based. I believe you are able to understand my argument that it's ethnocentric.(That's a compliment.)
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#58 Jan 10, 2014
wild child wrote:
They will all get their money,(retroactive) obama looks like the moron he is.democrats will be voted out.no amnesty will pass.republicans will win all races.people know whats going on.if you are american you can not vote democrat.this further helps to kill amnesty.
romney defeated obama in a landslide election.dewey defeated truman in a landslide election.republicans win the gratitude loyalty and votes of the poor by stopping support for their struggle to survive.santa claus and jesus were white.global warming is a hoax.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#59 Jan 10, 2014
Oldglory wrote:
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Why would you lump illegal aliens in with the legal or citizen minorities of this country? The first group doesn't even have a right to be in this country much less to work here. The second group does have those rights and I don't know of many Americans that object to them being hired for jobs. You pro-illegals are quite the spinmasters, aren't you?
I understand your perspective and the assumptions upon which it is based. I believe you are able to understand my argument that it's ethnocentric.(That's a compliment.)
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#60 Jan 10, 2014
kuda wrote:
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I understand your perspective and the assumptions upon which it is based. I believe you are able to understand my argument that it's ethnocentric.(That's a compliment.)
My views aren't based on assumptions. They are based on facts and the rule of law. Yes, I do understand that many defenders of illegal aliens are so because they share an ethnicity with these illegals and it is ethnocentric racism. Thanks for pointing that out.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#61 Jan 10, 2014
Oldglory wrote:
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My views aren't based on assumptions. They are based on facts and the rule of law. Yes, I do understand that many defenders of illegal aliens are so because they share an ethnicity with these illegals and it is ethnocentric racism. Thanks for pointing that out.
You assume your world is the center of the universe, that contemporary citizens of the United States are the only Americans and are uniquely entitled by that status, that the progeny of original Americans are without such rights, that all that counts is American history since the United States formed and began establishing laws and sanctioning violators. I understand your thinking.I continue to believe you may be able to understand what I'm saying. If not, I can just let it go.
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#62 Jan 10, 2014
kuda wrote:
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You assume your world is the center of the universe, that contemporary citizens of the United States are the only Americans and are uniquely entitled by that status, that the progeny of original Americans are without such rights, that all that counts is American history since the United States formed and began establishing laws and sanctioning violators. I understand your thinking.I continue to believe you may be able to understand what I'm saying. If not, I can just let it go.
The subject is the U.S. and yes their citizens are commonly called Americans where Mexican citizens are called Mexicans, Canadian citizens are called Canadians. Get it now? Those country's citizens do not refer to themselves as Americans. No one is a citizen of a continent. I don't wish to discuss our whole continent in regards to illegal immigration because immigration laws are about countries not continents. Funny how you people never talk about Canada and how they formed a country in the "Americas". It's always bitching about the U.S. and their citizens.

Repeating, the descendants of the tribes who settled in "this" country are all full fledged U.S. citizens those who did not are not. Why can't you understand that simple concept? Even those ancient tribes held their own lands separate from one another. You think they just let other tribes trespass on their lands at will like they were all one big happy family all over the continent? Please don't be so ignorant.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#63 Jan 10, 2014
Oldglory wrote:
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The subject is the U.S. and yes their citizens are commonly called Americans where Mexican citizens are called Mexicans, Canadian citizens are called Canadians. Get it now? Those country's citizens do not refer to themselves as Americans. No one is a citizen of a continent. I don't wish to discuss our whole continent in regards to illegal immigration because immigration laws are about countries not continents. Funny how you people never talk about Canada and how they formed a country in the "Americas". It's always bitching about the U.S. and their citizens.
Repeating, the descendants of the tribes who settled in "this" country are all full fledged U.S. citizens those who did not are not. Why can't you understand that simple concept? Even those ancient tribes held their own lands separate from one another. You think they just let other tribes trespass on their lands at will like they were all one big happy family all over the continent? Please don't be so ignorant.
Please note that the subject is actually "Levin won't back Ayotte bill to repeal military pension cuts," not "the U.S." as you claim. Aside from that misconception, calling me "ignorant" does not constitute a valid argument. As much as I love self-inflicted irony, I now realize that I'm only annoying you or at least wasting your time. Suffice it to say, however, you've made your view perfectly clear and I understand it, only from a much wider angle lens.
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#64 Jan 11, 2014
I wasn't referring to the title of this topic. It was you that kept bringing up the Americas under this topic. Therefore my remarks to you were about the "Americas".

My remarks about the American continent vs the different countries within in it were right on topic to your initial remarks. They weren't my point of view but the facts themselves. To avoid or deny facts is ignorant, IMO. The facts can't be distorted as a "wider angle lens". They are what they are in black and white.

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