House proposal to further criminalize illegal immigration criticized

Jun 17, 2013 Full story: USA Today 85

In 2005, a bill passed by the U.S. House of Representatives made being in the country illegally a federal crime, prompting massive protests in major cities across the country.

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#42 Jun 18, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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I never said do not secure the border or do not arrest employers. Let's try something totally different. Enforce the law, arrest illegals, those who employ them and those who aid them. That includes family, friends, clergy who ever helps and encourages them to live here illegally. You want to arrest employers without providing a way that they can verify that some body is legal. Employers are not ICE and cannot determine if a person is a legal resident without the tools to do so. I guess you want employers to just avoid hiring people with an accent or risk jail.
While most illegal aliens do not even enter legally those who over stay visas do account for a large percentage of illegal aliens and should not be over looked.
those you mentioned right now are committing a federal felony,so much for them being good law abiding citizens or leaders of churches,the law even brings up local gov,so mayors of sanctuary cities should be charged.
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Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#43 Jun 19, 2013
Felony sounds good. Should have been a felony from the get go.
spud

Bangor, PA

#44 Jun 19, 2013
Immigration laws have lost their credibility because we don't enforce them. Not only that, but there are many in power that actually help illegal aliens to get around our laws. If we enforced all our laws like we enforce our immigration laws, nobody would be able to leave their house.
Dequin

Zerbst, Germany

#45 Jun 19, 2013
The Republicans act as if they own the United States
, which makes it more and more likely, that the
existing bill will be pushed through under
elimination of the Hastert rule: Some people´s
memories just appear to be incredibly short:
Who were the originam inhabitants once more?
Right- that´s what I meant.I believe it was
premier Zhou En Lai, who once said: "This world
belongs to all of us!".A globalistic view of
the worlds problems sometimes becomes necessary,
when the national perspective gets out of hand
completely. A good sign, on the other hand is talk about also looking at other proposals
for the immigration bill. It seems that the
Republicans may be reacting to the fact that
the very purpose of the "Gang of Eight" is to
transact a secret agenda of "big government"
/no matter whether it be Democrat or Rubio)
helping out the workers unions, and that they
started their work with the specific aim of
drowning out all opposing voices by means
of the sheer length of their writ and the
apparent bipartisanship.
Bipartisanship or no, it is somewhat justified
to say this: A proponent of "Big Government" is
neither a Democrat, nor a Republican, but rather someone trying to manipulate the business world´s
perspective, so that it may reciprocate this
by helpng thze respective "Big government" stay
in place. "Big Government" is something no voter
in their right mind should want: Whyß Well,
because they are not doing the will of the
people of the United States, but of the industry
and its workers unions.
This is a global phenomenon, and when you see
this happen, guys: Don´t be shy- Send your
respective governments a message that you know what´s going on and that you´re not going to
accept it. "Big Government" undoubtedly has
hijacked the entire discussion on immigration,
and as unpalatable as some republican views
may be, it would be fair to presume that their
opinions are radicalizing precisely because
of a vague feeling that this entire thing is rigged.
It shall be a true test of democracy to ...
"unrig" the "Gang of Eights" bill, calm
down, discuss matters in a factual manner,
and reach conclusions which actually can
be beneficial to everyone concerned.
The existing bill is about the industry- not about Americans, and also not about immigrants.
But it does not represent a compromise.
What it is instead is a stumbling blockto a well-thought-out and democratically enacted
bill.Let us not be afraid of one another´s
opinions. more and more, even presidential
candidates such as Obama and Romney (when they
were candidates only)have stopped really debating.
Instead, each party intends to flatten the opponent
with a dazzling display of the intelligence and
complexity of their vision.
This is not the way it should go:Certain points
need to be discussed- even if each party simply
intends to win by closing themselves off....
as well as ..."hijacking the entire discussion"
by certain means, which has very little to
do with the true d spirit of a democracy.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#47 Jun 19, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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"Employers are not ICE".
They're not cops either but seem to weed out the felons easily.
I'm not saying bust a guy who has a few illegals but you have employers who hire full warehouses full of them.
Repeatedly.
The point is that without a system in place that employers can use to verify the immigration status of their workers it is not fair to prosecute them if they do hire illegal aliens. If they have to use e-verify by law and fail to do so then the government does not have to prove that they knowingly hired illegal aliens. They only have to prove that they did not use e-verify. Under the current system if an employee provides documentation that they are here legally the employer must accept it even if they suspect or even know that an employee is here illegally. It is difficult to prosecute and employer under the current system and even when they do successfully the penalties are small. The cost of the defense is normally much more expensive than the fines and the amount of money saved by hiring illegals is much greater than the cost if you are actually caught and successfully prosecuted.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#48 Jun 19, 2013
Another Day wrote:
<quoted text>Well dumbazz tell you comrad Senator Reid to stop shelving that same issue you fcking boob. This is your boy doing it not the GOP. Read up on it for once.
Not my senator for one and I'm sure he will be convinced by a voter from Florida.

Can you convince your senators too?

What dumbshit teabagger.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#49 Jun 19, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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The point is that without a system in place that employers can use to verify the immigration status of their workers it is not fair to prosecute them if they do hire illegal aliens. If they have to use e-verify by law and fail to do so then the government does not have to prove that they knowingly hired illegal aliens. They only have to prove that they did not use e-verify. Under the current system if an employee provides documentation that they are here legally the employer must accept it even if they suspect or even know that an employee is here illegally. It is difficult to prosecute and employer under the current system and even when they do successfully the penalties are small. The cost of the defense is normally much more expensive than the fines and the amount of money saved by hiring illegals is much greater than the cost if you are actually caught and successfully prosecuted.
All that is fine and good but where does E-Verify stand out?

They still take the same information as anyone would now.

It's redundant.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#50 Jun 19, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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All that is fine and good but where does E-Verify stand out?
They still take the same information as anyone would now.
It's redundant.
They take the information. They cannot verify the information withourt e-verify. I think that e-verify needs to go further and allow non-matching data to be investigated by the IRS, ICE, FBI and any other agency that has a stake in fraud and to notify the righful SS or green card holder that somebody is using their information. The government can track my calls and e-mail with no over sight but when they know somebody is comitting fraud they look the other way.

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#51 Jun 19, 2013
We need to let all of them come here, people work an have money an should share it.

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#52 Jun 19, 2013
I can't wait for obama to give us free health care.
Brenda besson

United States

#55 Jun 19, 2013
Just say no!!! No immigration bill then u will not have to worry about anything.doesnt matter if they want to be here.we dont want them.im not in the mood to be poorer than I am.country is going to hell,soo no we dont need to add an other 20million ppl here.who will then spit in ur face and tell u im an american.doesnt matter about republican party when this is all over they will have the vote of white,black,and spanish.when spanish realize obama didnt help them.they will have to go to the right.or they can go home
Billy Ringo

Forest Hills, NY

#56 Jun 19, 2013
spud wrote:
Immigration laws have lost their credibility because we don't enforce them. Not only that, but there are many in power that actually help illegal aliens to get around our laws. If we enforced all our laws like we enforce our immigration laws, nobody would be able to leave their house.
Well, Dud, your boy, Etchy hires them to clean his 11 houses and mow his 11 lawns. And Ann hires them to do all the cooking in Etchy's 11 kitchens.

Need to issue an arrest warrant on Etchy and Mrs Etchy.
otra

United States

#57 Jun 19, 2013
Americans are fools. You think politicians give a crap what you think. Soon the united nations will add an income tax to your paychecks so your wealth can be given to other countries. Google it. I will keep my Mexican citizenship and return to the motherland when necessary and screw all of you pendejos!!
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Since: Jun 11

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#58 Jun 19, 2013
They come here to steal jobs, govt benefits, and IDs from the american people. And dems say they're not criminals.
hogurs

Mckeesport, PA

#59 Jun 19, 2013
youtube.com/watch... ……… Getting Lucky again mybe Nixon is back?
Cat74

Schaumburg, IL

#60 Jun 19, 2013
Democrats are funny little creatures. They were so sure the Gun Control bill would pass. It didn't have a chance. Now they are so sure the Immigration bill will pass, again it doesn't have a chance. They pulled the Global warming bill for lack of interests. What can they get through? I know. I know. The free pot "pot head" bill will sail right through the House, and Senate.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#62 Jun 19, 2013
Seems unfair that thousands of employers almost
put out the red carpet for illegal labor and we
make their being here a crime.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#63 Jun 19, 2013
Cat74 wrote:
Democrats are funny little creatures. They were so sure the Gun Control bill would pass. It didn't have a chance. Now they are so sure the Immigration bill will pass, again it doesn't have a chance. They pulled the Global warming bill for lack of interests. What can they get through? I know. I know. The free pot "pot head" bill will sail right through the House, and Senate.
Almost as stupid as the House Republicans coming up with
a bill to repeal Obamacare for the 37th time.

Anything but jobs.
spud

Bangor, PA

#65 Jun 20, 2013
Billy Ringo wrote:
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Well, Dud, your boy, Etchy hires them to clean his 11 houses and mow his 11 lawns. And Ann hires them to do all the cooking in Etchy's 11 kitchens.
Need to issue an arrest warrant on Etchy and Mrs Etchy.
I can see you're suffering from a classic case of kitchen envy. That explains your dazed and confused state.
spud

Bangor, PA

#66 Jun 20, 2013
Gary wrote:
Seems unfair that thousands of employers almost
put out the red carpet for illegal labor and we
make their being here a crime.
You're right. We should arrest those employers and the people responsible for rolling out that red carpet.

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