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Mumpower criticizes status of American Indian tribes

There are 61 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Oct 16, 2007, titled Mumpower criticizes status of American Indian tribes. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

Congressional candidate Carl Mumpower, a fierce critic of illegal immigration, on Monday leaped into a different minefield on the border of politics and race.

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Granny

AOL

#42 Oct 18, 2007




They Call!


Weary beyond belief,a tiredness that is bone deep,one more step I tell myself,but I can no longer remember what we are running from.
Then I hear a baby whimper,look around and see the children,worn and dusty,bleeding feet,faces gray and shoulders drooping.
Into my spirit I pull strength,knowing there will be no relief,we must keep moving or they will find us,drag us back with chains upon us.
To the mountains we have fled,the soldiers chase for the bounty on our heads,one skin,two skins,many scalps,mostly children but it does not matter.
How can I slow down when they need me,please Creator help me to save them,so little time and so far to go,one step more then rest a little.
Soon we must find safety,cave,cove,or valley,someplace to blend in,shadows grow the land is darkening,to often now we stumble on nothing.
There,I see it,the cave is waiting,hurry now little ones we can make it,gather close and pick up sticks,the men are checking before we enter.
All is clear,no bear or wolf,no panthers lair we can stop here,with eyes that seem to be filled with sand,I dig and set the fire pit.
Small fire dances into life,there is so little to add to the pot,small ones drop where they stand,asleep it seems before they hit the ground.
With all the strength left to my body,I check each one whose feet are bloody,so few,we count less than twenty,from a village of two hundred.
Behind the mountain the sun is setting,flaming red,yellow,and purple,sharing with us Creators glory,giving hope where there should be none.
One more day we have out run them,one more breath drawn in freedom,there is no time for tears,all that was lost that we held dear.
Plans now must be laid,families left must be kept safe,here we will stay and rest,within the heart of our Mother Earth.
Sleep now grandmother I hear the young ones whisper,you must rest you can not leave us,you are our past, just as they are the future.
If you listen to the spirit songs,who will teach what we must know,who will keep us connected,to the knowledge of our ancestors?
They know not how dear the price,of the song I hear of peaceful life,softly calling deep and low,come it is your time to go!
granny
Granny

AOL

#43 Oct 18, 2007
Nate-tive wrote:
"Read about how young Indians rode through Murphy whooping because they were going to get a chance to scalp white Yankees."
Do a little research and you'll find out that scalping was originated with the Plains Indians and not part of Cherokee practice.
As for Carl Mumpower, if you don't care for Native Americans, why are you running for congressional office. They are to look out for "all" the people that elect them into office. News for you though, you lost my vote and that of my family.
How about moving back to jolly ole England?
Scalping came with the "White" Dutch traders,NOT the Natives of Turtle Island.There were seperate prices put by yonega on "man","woman ",and "child" scalps.
granny

Since: Oct 07

United States

#44 Oct 19, 2007
My apologies for getting his ancestry wrong. I was misinformed. Thanks for the correction. The rest of what I wrote still stands. Mumpower's stance screams of racism. He will not get my vote.
Dennis Justice wrote:
Ahem...he's English.
Quote: "But he said the Cherokee should not be able to lobby and give money to candidates while also having tax exemptions, benefits through the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs and legalized gambling at Harrah’s Cherokee Casino. "
I agree. Although I'm more libertarian on the issue of gambling, I think what Easley was doing attempting to extort more money from the Cherokee (they wanted poker, rememeber?) is just as scandalous as what Mumpower was talking about.
I remember as a college student working the bingo hall in Cherokee 10+ years ago. Worst job ever. I normally could care less about smoking but the smoke was so bad I almost collapsed. The "non-smoking" section was a joke as the smoke was all over the place. Hopefully they changed the laws since then but apparently at the time Cherokee wasn't under the same ventilation regulations as the rest of us.
We should honor the treaties. Not one letter more or less.

Since: Oct 07

United States

#45 Oct 19, 2007
I have yet to see an official response from the Chief...please post the link if I've missed it.
Dan

Flora, IN

#46 Oct 19, 2007
OldTimer wrote:
"Special interest?!?!?"
"Special interest!?!?!" Does this guy realize that the Cherokee have been here for thousands of years?? Well before us. How dare he suggest that they are 'absorbed into the rest of America' when it should be the other way around.
Let's pray that this moron is not elected!!
As and American of Indian heritage I agree with Mumpower. It is time for our people to grow up and join the 21st century. I still respect the right of those who wish to continue the old ways but it has been over a century and it is time to take care of our selves using our own means or join America as you can see joining America is my choice.
Real Observer

Morganton, NC

#47 Oct 19, 2007
Dennis Justice wrote:
Ahem...he's English.
Quote: "But he said the Cherokee should not be able to lobby and give money to candidates while also having tax exemptions, benefits through the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs and legalized gambling at Harrah’s Cherokee Casino. "
I agree. Although I'm more libertarian on the issue of gambling, I think what Easley was doing attempting to extort more money from the Cherokee (they wanted poker, rememeber?) is just as scandalous as what Mumpower was talking about.
I remember as a college student working the bingo hall in Cherokee 10+ years ago. Worst job ever. I normally could care less about smoking but the smoke was so bad I almost collapsed. The "non-smoking" section was a joke as the smoke was all over the place. Hopefully they changed the laws since then but apparently at the time Cherokee wasn't under the same ventilation regulations as the rest of us.
We should honor the treaties. Not one letter more or less.
but SEE, Easely Sleazely is a democracKKK and its OK for democracKKKs to EXTORT from the Indians! Its TRUE!!! and the clueless imbeciles just go right on supporting those who scalp them!
Real Observer

Morganton, NC

#48 Oct 19, 2007
Mike wrote:
Congressional candidate Carl Mumpower is a product of "One Nation United" & Citizens Equal Rights Alliance (CERA), their the new KKK in America!
Their run and financed by corporate America to put the little man out of business!! there against citizens rights to live the American dream. All one has to do is look over their web sites and see just what their about!. North Carolina voters should say 100% NO to Carl Mumpower
Stop racism in it's tracks.
Citizens Equal Rights Alliance (CERA)
http://www.citizensalliance.org/
One Nation United
http://www.onenationunited.org/
Native Americans getting the word out about these two group:
www.UnitedNativeAmerica.com
Indians standing up to One Nation Group
http://www.onenationoklies.com/index.html
Have you PERSONALLY asked Dr. Mumpower to verify his membership in ANY of these groups?
Real Observer

Morganton, NC

#49 Oct 19, 2007
Songidee Makaday Makwa wrote:
I am appalled by the comments of mumpower who is a Republican. Sounds like the pure racist that he is. I knew that Republicans like him are racist who are constantly striving for control. Now that he can't have his way. He's on the band wagon insulting the Indian people. To be a part of this county? We are the "real" American. I know who I am. I am a full-blood from Mississippi.
Does he even know who he is? Doesn't sound like it. And this person who calls himself Bitter Ex democrackk. I can honestly say, this man is one stupid person. Seems he doesn't know his A__ from a hole in the ground. Where do people like him come from? I hope there aren't too many of him /them around!! My heroes are Sitting Bull (Tatanka Oytanka) & Crazy horse. Guess who I am? Ha-Ha
Bitter EX democrackkk is probably the most astute analysts/posters on this forum!

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#50 Oct 19, 2007
Real Observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Bitter EX democrackkk is probably the most astute analysts/posters on this forum!
Y'all better believe it 'cause Bitter EX democrackkk just told you so.*^_^*
Songidee Makaday Makwa

Akron, OH

#51 Oct 21, 2007
Granny, you're right. The mentality of those who wage war in one form or another always use the poor,
whether it's the American Indians, Black, poor whites, to name a few. In case no one has any idea what war is about. There is always a loser. Is it a win-win situation? No. If one loses or win. We all lose in the end. American Indians always gave young people to fight for this supposedly great American cause; to fight in the front lines, to be dropped behind the front lines, to be used as (cannon)fodders for the establishment so that rich men can continue wars safe in their chairs. America wasn't keen on giving Indians citizenship until 1924. Isn't that ironic? And Carl has the nerve to talk bad about the Cherokees. I am Indian who knows about racism having experience much on my way to where I'm at now. America has never shown any gratitude for us. So, what business has Carl for knocking any American Indian country with a country? Talking about Treaty Rights. If you can easily use these treaty rights as way of undermining the Cherokees. You haven't learned much. In other words, as Indian people would say. "You speak with forked tongue." Custer's ears were pierce by the Cheyennes because he couldn't hear well & learn in this life. May be in the next life, he would. A man was known by his word. It seems you don't have any, Carl. You have much to learn...
James Bird

Washington, DC

#52 Oct 22, 2007
Mumpower's hyperbole, obviously, is viewing history from an ethnoexcentric prism to distort the truth to fit his xenophobic right-wing agenda and pander to an extermist conservative base with an unrealistic ideology. It is ludicrous and ridiculous, and it would be humorous were it not for the popularity of his ignorant, (ignoring history and factual economic and social circumstances), perespective.
James Bird

Washington, DC

#53 Oct 22, 2007
Ahem, please forgive the typo, -perspective-, but no apology for literary license to create new terminology, ethnoexcentric vs ethnocentric. Fact remains that Mumpower's comments and those of his ilk distort the truth.
Unaffiliated Voter

Morganton, NC

#54 Oct 22, 2007
No, Dr. Mumpower TRIES to deliver and EXPLAIN the truth, but democrackkks cannot DEAL with the TRUTH. Its why our once great state has been ruined by imbecilic democrackkks, who continue to FEED at the TROUGH!!!
Nate-tive

Fort Stewart, GA

#55 Oct 22, 2007
Granny wrote:
<quoted text>
Scalping came with the "White" Dutch traders,NOT the Natives of Turtle Island.There were seperate prices put by yonega on "man","woman ",and "child" scalps.
granny
There you go, scalping did not originate with Native Americans.
Dan

Flora, IN

#56 Oct 22, 2007
Nate-tive wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go, scalping did not originate with Native Americans.
No but we perfected it. We used to take mexican scalps and use them for camp fires the grease burned for days.
K-Man

Charlotte, NC

#57 Oct 22, 2007
Nate-tive wrote:
"Read about how young Indians rode through Murphy whooping because they were going to get a chance to scalp white Yankees."
Do a little research and you'll find out that scalping was originated with the Plains Indians and not part of Cherokee practice.
As for Carl Mumpower, if you don't care for Native Americans, why are you running for congressional office. They are to look out for "all" the people that elect them into office. News for you though, you lost my vote and that of my family.
How about moving back to jolly ole England?
In "Storm In The Mountains" which I purchased at the Cherokee Museum, there is apassage abour how young Indian Braves rode through Murphy whooping because they were going to get a chance to scalp Yankees.

These were the men of Thomas' Legion. I understand there is no evidence anyone was ever scalped by Cherokees in the Civil War. However, fear of being scalped caused many Yankees to be "very carefu"..

I have also reads that scalping may have originated with French traders.
Nate-tive

Fort Stewart, GA

#58 Oct 23, 2007
K-Man wrote:
<quoted text>
In "Storm In The Mountains" which I purchased at the Cherokee Museum, there is apassage abour how young Indian Braves rode through Murphy whooping because they were going to get a chance to scalp Yankees.
These were the men of Thomas' Legion. I understand there is no evidence anyone was ever scalped by Cherokees in the Civil War. However, fear of being scalped caused many Yankees to be "very carefu"..
I have also reads that scalping may have originated with French traders.
There you go, once again. It's called psyching out your opponent, even though they did not scalp anyone their tactics to protect their people worked.

I did not post the information about the Cherokee riding through Murphy like mad savages screaming they were going to scalp the yanks, I just wanted to make that clear.
Nate-tive

Fort Stewart, GA

#59 Oct 23, 2007
To all Cherokee who vote in the district Mumpower is running in, Let's keep him out of office. With the recent comments he has made it should be very clear what his priorities are. Go Heath Shuler, keep up the good work!
Dan

Flora, IN

#60 Oct 23, 2007
Nate-tive wrote:
To all Cherokee who vote in the district Mumpower is running in, Let's keep him out of office. With the recent comments he has made it should be very clear what his priorities are. Go Heath Shuler, keep up the good work!
Right why vote for what is good for the whole country lets just look out after ourselves. I am sick of the ME ME ME crowd.
Tsa-la-gi

Barnesville, OH

#61 Oct 28, 2007
Straighten Up wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean "Storm in the Mountains"?
Read about how White Man Will was Chief of the Cherokees.
Read about how young Indians rode through Murphy whooping because they were going to get a chance to scalp white Yankees.
Read about how Thomas and his fiercest braves scared the daylights out of Yankees at Waynesville at the end of the war.
My GG Granpaw was in Will Thomas' Legion. Helped drag cannons across the Smokeys.
Nothing really matters but specific attitudes and acts which set the course of the future.

“It never occurred to the man of Teutonic blood that he could have for a neighbor anyone not of his own stock and color. While the English colonists recognized the native proprietorship so far as to make treaties with the Indians, it was chiefly for the purpose of fixing limits beyond which the Indian should never come after he had once parted with his title for a consideration of goods and trinkets. In an early Virginia treaty it was even stipulated that friendly Indians crossing the line should suffer death. The Indian was regarded as an encumbrance to be cleared off, like the trees and the wolves, before white men could live in the country.”-Mooney

William Holland Thomas was never a Chief of the EBCI. It may have been Junaluska's intention, but the headmen led by All Bones a Tribal headman came together to form a more republican form of government and at the annual Grand Council in 1870 is where the first Chief Flying Squirrel 1870-1875 was elected.

1870-1875 Ka La Hv (All Bones)
Saunooke (Flying Squirrell) 5 Years

1875-1880 Lloyd Welch 5 Years

1880-1891 Nimrod Jarrett Smith 11 Years

1891-1895 Stillwell Saunooke 4 Years

1895-1899 Andy Standingdeer 4 Years

1899-1903 Jesse Reed 4 Years

1903-1907 Bird Saloneeta (Young Squirrell) 4 Years

1907-1911 John Goins Welch 4 Years

1911-1915 Joe Saunooke 4 Years

1915-1919 David Blythe 4 Years

1919-1923 Joe Saunooke 4 Years

1923-1927 Sampson Owl 4 Years

1927-1931 John Tahdoette 4 Years

1931-1947 Jarrett Blythe 4 Years

1947-1951 Henry Bradley 4 Years

1951-1955 Osley Saunooke 4 Years

1955-1959 Jarrett Blythe 4 Years

1959-1963 Osley Saunooke 4 Years

1963-1967 Jarret Blythe 4 Years

1967-1971 Walter Jackson 31/2 Years

1971-1973 Noah Powell 21/2 Years

1973-1983 John Crowe 101/2 Years

1983-1987 Robert Youngdeer 4 Years

1987-1995 Jonathon L. Taylor (resigned 16 days early) 8 Years
1995 Gerard Parker (served 16 days)

1995-1999 Joyce C. Dugan 4 Years

1999-2003 Leon Jones 4 Years

2003-Present Michell Hicks

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