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Obama: Americans 'Fed Up' With Washington

There are 68 comments on the WLTX-TV Columbia story from Oct 17, 2013, titled Obama: Americans 'Fed Up' With Washington. In it, WLTX-TV Columbia reports that:

President Obama said Thursday there have been "no winners" in the government shutdown dispute, and lawmakers will have to work hard to regain the trust of Americans.

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Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#63 Oct 23, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Rumor has it, they are the same insurance companies that wrote the law. It might not be a good idea to let the affected companies write laws pertaining to them. I'm sure you remember when pharmaceutical and insurance representatives were seen coming out of the closed door negotiations with an all Democratic panel. And even though they may have written a good portion of the law, it's still governments job to implement the system. You remember,'The buck stops here'. So I still think it's pride, stubborness and the inability to admit they're wrong, along with a good dose of incompetence, which makes Democrats keep trying to do this thing. The result we are seeing is what generally happens when anyone puts too many eggs in the wrong basket.
Back in the early 1990's Bill Clinton proposed a single payer plan like every other country in the world uses. The right wingers went berserk and in response to this the Heritage Foundation developed their own healthcare plan. It was actually introduced as a bill in 1993. Bob Dole ran on this plan in 1996 and Mitt enacted it in Mass. in the early 2000&#8242;s.

Obama and everybody else wanted a single payer plan this time around, but the teabaggers would have none of it. I thought it was a bad move, but Obama adopted the Heritage Foundation plan. Strangely the same people who developed the plan and ran on it for years suddenly did not like their own plan. Go figure.

Yes I do remember when the pharmaceutical industry met with President Bush and crafted the Medicare Part D plan. Unlike the ACA, Medicare Part D was not paid for. When it was passed in December 2003, the new Medicare drug benefit was forecast by the Bush administration to cost $395 billion over its first decade. Of course the true costs appear to be closer to $1.2T in the first 10 years.

It was a horrible plan. Unlike the ACA which is cutting costs in half, Bush actually agreed to pay retail for drugs even though Medicare is the single largest customer of the pharmaceutical industry. They actually buy billions of units at a time, but get no discount.

Although this unfunded plan is costing taxpayers a huge amount of money nobody on the right has an issue with it. As a matter of fact during one of the Republican debates last year they were asked if the law should be repealed or at least reworked and the candidates were unanimous in their support.

So there you have it. A Republican president has an unfunded plan and nobody has any issues, but when Obama presents a Republican plan it is the end of the world.



ima-Ilis Myka Ashanti

El Paso, TX

#64 Oct 23, 2013
Purple Independent wrote:
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To rebut your statement, "Obama did not put together any insurance plans. All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same policies that have always been issued," here are the 10 "must haves" that all health insurers WERE FORCED BY OBAMA to include in all of their plans, WHETHER THE INSURED NEEDED IT OR NOT:
1. Ambulatory patient services
2. Emergency services
3. Hospitalization
4. Maternity & newborn care
5. Mental health & substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment
6. Prescription drugs
7. Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices
8. Laboratory services
9. Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management
10. Pediatric services, including oral and vision care
http://www.capturebilling.com/essential-healt...
Ambulatory patient services? Maternity & newborn care? Pediatric services? Rehabilitative services? Chronic disease management? Let me tell you, I only need 4 out of the 10 right now. Why do I have to pay for 6 services I don't need????
This is why even the cheapest plan, the Bronze Plan, costs way more than pre-ACA plans, wherein insurers could customize their plans more personally.
Obama's ACA is a one-size-fits-all plan that can only be described as SOCIALIST. Americans are used to having more choices and more control over their personal decisions, based on their personal reasons. This is why Obamacare sucks. IT IS UNAMERICAN AND SOCIALIST.
Do you know what the definition of socialism is? Merriam Webster: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies
Obamacare is QUASI-SOCIALISM, meaning, though not owned by the govt, healthcare rules are controlled by the govt.
Do you know where socialism stands in the spectrum of political theory? It stands in between capitalism and Communism. See definition 3 in that Merriam-Webster link. Do you see now why many of us were against Obamacare?
Keep in mind that Obama's campaign mission statement was "To fundamentally change America." Looking back at his domestic and foreign policies of 5 years, and his education and background, can you now see what he meant by that? He didn't want to change us to be a more lucrative, individual, free society; rather he wants to change us to become a mediocre, socialist, non-capitalist economy nation, with restrictions on personal freedoms for the good of the few. Notice how even the lowest level of govt (munincipalities) kowtow to atheists (all 7 of them) rather than to the majority of religious believers? Obama believes in community organizing based on Saul Alinsky's philosophy and book, "Rules for Radicals," which has been analyzed and proven to work only in ghettos. Obama taught a class on this book in Harvard.
Please do better research on Obama. I did. And I did it fairly -- I linked to reference sites, not op-eds, biased sites, and the like. I just wanted THE FACTS, and then based my opinions on them.
thanks Purple! this is the most informative post by anyone ever on these forums that best describes what the tyrant's obvious intentions truly are. This is why he shows no empathy for our struggling hard working citizens, HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY PATRIOTIC LOVE for our country, NOR DOES HE APPRECIATE OUR VETERANS...this he recently proved when he barred them form the memorials OUT OF HATEFUL SPITE, because he allowed the immigration rally to take place yet the vets and the truckers were barred. He would truly and honestly need to have been BORN ELSEWHERE to feel as he does about our country. NO TRUE AMERICAN CITIZEN would try to destroy economically our USA! NO TRUE AMERICAN WOULD DELIGHT IN RACIALLY DIVIDING OUR NATION. NO TRUE AMERICAN WOULD REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE WITH OUR CONGRESS MEN as an excuse to shut the gov. Pathetic & sadistic.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#65 Oct 23, 2013
ima-Ilis Myka Ashanti wrote:
<quoted text> thanks Purple! this is the most informative post by anyone ever on these forums that best describes what the tyrant's obvious intentions truly are. This is why he shows no empathy for our struggling hard working citizens, HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY PATRIOTIC LOVE for our country, NOR DOES HE APPRECIATE OUR VETERANS...this he recently proved when he barred them form the memorials OUT OF HATEFUL SPITE, because he allowed the immigration rally to take place yet the vets and the truckers were barred. He would truly and honestly need to have been BORN ELSEWHERE to feel as he does about our country. NO TRUE AMERICAN CITIZEN would try to destroy economically our USA! NO TRUE AMERICAN WOULD DELIGHT IN RACIALLY DIVIDING OUR NATION. NO TRUE AMERICAN WOULD REFUSE TO NEGOTIATE WITH OUR CONGRESS MEN as an excuse to shut the gov. Pathetic & sadistic.
Hilarious.
spud

Blakeslee, PA

#66 Oct 24, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Back in the early 1990's Bill Clinton proposed a single payer plan like every other country in the world uses. The right wingers went berserk and in response to this the Heritage Foundation developed their own healthcare plan. It was actually introduced as a bill in 1993. Bob Dole ran on this plan in 1996 and Mitt enacted it in Mass. in the early 2000&#8242;s.
Obama and everybody else wanted a single payer plan this time around, but the teabaggers would have none of it. I thought it was a bad move, but Obama adopted the Heritage Foundation plan. Strangely the same people who developed the plan and ran on it for years suddenly did not like their own plan. Go figure.
Yes I do remember when the pharmaceutical industry met with President Bush and crafted the Medicare Part D plan. Unlike the ACA, Medicare Part D was not paid for. When it was passed in December 2003, the new Medicare drug benefit was forecast by the Bush administration to cost $395 billion over its first decade. Of course the true costs appear to be closer to $1.2T in the first 10 years.
It was a horrible plan. Unlike the ACA which is cutting costs in half, Bush actually agreed to pay retail for drugs even though Medicare is the single largest customer of the pharmaceutical industry. They actually buy billions of units at a time, but get no discount.
Although this unfunded plan is costing taxpayers a huge amount of money nobody on the right has an issue with it. As a matter of fact during one of the Republican debates last year they were asked if the law should be repealed or at least reworked and the candidates were unanimous in their support.
So there you have it. A Republican president has an unfunded plan and nobody has any issues, but when Obama presents a Republican plan it is the end of the world.
The key to reducing costs is competition. Bush let pharmaceuticals charge the government retail prices in his prescription drug plan and that made him an idiot. A lot of other things like his wars, free trade agreements and support for amnesty also solidified his idiot status. But just because Bush was so bad doesn't give Obama any extra room to be idiotic. Healthcare needs to be fixed not just changed. Obamacare didn't address costs. Obamacare is a fairytale dream that thinks you can just wave a magic wand and cover 20 million more people and save money doing so. Competition in the insurance, pharmaceutical and medical delivery aspects of healthcare is the answer. And lets not forget the law of supply and demand. Adding 20 million patients in a free market will tend to drive demand and prices UP. For that reason, Obamacare will probably result in a heavy dose of care rationing for everyone but the rich who can afford to pay their own way. It'll be a two tiered system where the rich have access to the best and the rest will get the scraps. It's also gonna cost more for the people who will be getting less.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#67 Oct 24, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>The key to reducing costs is competition. Bush let pharmaceuticals charge the government retail prices in his prescription drug plan and that made him an idiot. A lot of other things like his wars, free trade agreements and support for amnesty also solidified his idiot status. But just because Bush was so bad doesn't give Obama any extra room to be idiotic. Healthcare needs to be fixed not just changed. Obamacare didn't address costs. Obamacare is a fairytale dream that thinks you can just wave a magic wand and cover 20 million more people and save money doing so. Competition in the insurance, pharmaceutical and medical delivery aspects of healthcare is the answer. And lets not forget the law of supply and demand. Adding 20 million patients in a free market will tend to drive demand and prices UP. For that reason, Obamacare will probably result in a heavy dose of care rationing for everyone but the rich who can afford to pay their own way. It'll be a two tiered system where the rich have access to the best and the rest will get the scraps. It's also gonna cost more for the people who will be getting less.
You are right that the ACA does not address costs adequately. The US is the only country in the world that has a for-profit medical insurance industry. We should have gone with a single payer plan, but insurance industry lobbyists are strong. The ACA is certainty not what Obama wanted. I was just pointing out that in order to appease the right Obama has to go with the Republican version. Since Obama supports the Republican plan they now have to oppose it.
ima-Ilis Myka Ashanti

El Paso, TX

#68 Oct 24, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Hilarious.
OBVIOUSLY NO ONE GIVES A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK, from the judge its, LOL!
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#69 Oct 25, 2013
ima-Ilis Myka Ashanti wrote:
<quoted text> OBVIOUSLY NO ONE GIVES A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK, from the judge its, LOL!
Not surprising you count "judge its". That is the sign of an idiot.
spud

Blakeslee, PA

#70 Oct 26, 2013
It's funny how all these politicians who are giving "American people are tired of Washington" speeches think this makes them outsiders. In reality, the reps. who try to distance themselves from Washington in this way are generally the biggest cons in government. There aren't many from either party that are outsiders and there are no long time incumbents that fall into that category. But who is really surprised that Obama would use this approach?

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